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Biophotons -

 
 
jeed
13:10 / 11.05.05
OK, so i've been reading a little about these and wanted to know if anyone else had heard of them, or had anything to share?

It's been shown that living systems emit coherent photons between 300-800nm, meaning that every living system emits light, some in the visible spectrum (about equal to a candle at 10km). There's a number of research groups that have started doing some work checking whether cells can communicate within and between themselves using photons: with nerve cells in the brain and central nervous system being shielded from outside light by bone, and neurons being colourless, the signal:noise ratio should be decent enough to allow photon communication.

Apparently neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine are also some of the most light-reactive compounds around.

Could this be a basis for auras, qi, and Kirlian photography?

"If these mechanisms are of relevance our brain would have to be looked upon as a "holographic computer"
reference

bit technical this one
 
 
eye landed
07:24 / 12.05.05
seems like a recycling program. dna regulates protein processes by a) constructing enzymes via rna replication, and b) emitting light at frequencies necessary to provide energy for rxns, c) ?

could each gene have its own frequency of biophoton? when the dna twists in a certain place (gene), it emits a photon of a frequency that matches some relevant protein processes in the cell, and then gets recycled back into the same gene?

in proximal intersomatic communication via biophotons (eg. tree hugging), would another individual only respond to my biophotons insomuch as we have genes with matching photonic frequencies? so i would have a better photonic bond with my sister than with my chinese teacher, but better with any human than with my cat, but better with my cat than with a plant, etc. what information could be conveyed between individuals this way? or is there even any evidence at all that biophotons actually travel out of the body?

if i could make myself transparent enough, could i live entirely on sunlight, its visible photons powering cellular rxns directly? or is sunlight not coherent enough?

how does this relate to adenosine triphosphate?
 
 
0men
23:19 / 22.06.05
This is beautiful.
Thanks for posting this. I am particularly blown away by the observations in one of the papers that neural tissue is great for transmitting light through and well insulated (although not totally) from outside light. Roger Penrose wrote "the emperor's new mind" about consciousness being a quantum mechanical as opposed to classical phenomenon - some said that there was no evidence of any such quantum mechanical process at work within the brain. It also 'gels' with another person's idea that consciousness behaves like a "bose-einstein condensate". If you are interested in these biophotons you'll probably want to learn more about Roger Penrose's ideas on the subject. Personally I am very excited about the coherence of these biophotons and will be watching for more information about them. Feel free to share your thoughts
Love
0men (my first posting by the way)
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:10 / 18.03.06
Biophotons recently came up in a Temple thread so I thought I'd bump this thread.

After reading Lynne McTaggart’s book 'The Field' (U.S. Amazon, U.K. Amazon)where this was mentioned in passing, I thought the "biophotons" idea sounded interesting. Since I then had liberty in one of the U.K.’s biggest library collections, I looked into the scientific literature.

What I discovered is that all the papers describing the phenomenon were published by a very small group of people who reference only each other and publish their own journals. (I don't remember checking the journals’ citation indices, but I suspect they would have been nonexistent.) More importantly, the experiments as described seemed totally unconvincing. For example, one experimental setup I read in detail involved using two photomultiplier tubes at once to detect photons being 'emitted from DNA'. The problem is that if you have two photomultiplier tubes anywhere near each other, they each will amplify the small amount of photon *emission* from each set of apparatus, and you will be able to record a spurious trace, as if by magic. Doh!

A second problem: probably someone with a bit more physics can clear this up, but I thought that only high energy photons could exhibit the kind of coherence ('laser-like'!) claimed for biophotons, whereas the photons 'detected' from DNA emissions are very low intensity.

At the moment I'm at a different academic institution and one which doesn’t choose to make a priority of supplying us with every tiny 'scientific' journal (maybe because no History & Philosophy of Science department?). Hence it's not so easy for me to produce the evidence by details and quotes, and I'm going on what I read a couple of years ago. But if anyone else has access to the journals perhaps they could verify? Has there been new research? If there has been new solid research I would have expected it to be big in Nature or Science, because apart from anything else it would be really useful - imaging is a big part of macro-molecular biology, and we wouldn't spend so much energy trying to patch together fluorescent reporter systems if the DNA itself would reliably shine. (Hang on, if this biophoton emission is so coherent why would Franklin et al. have need X ray diffraction patterns to solve the double helix structure?) Has it gone mainstream but I just missed it?

So, my opinion at the moment is it’s a nice idea but has no verifiable truth to it. Anyone else looked into the experiments? (I know you'll tell me if I just shot one of your sacred cows.)
 
 
quixote
02:26 / 19.03.06
It doesn't sound at all plausible to me, especially not the "coherent" part. That's the term for laser-type light. As the previous commenter said, with imaging being such a big issue, lots of scientists would have noticed light emission before now, especially because film has been used to study DNA for years. The light emitted by DNA is said to start at 300 nm, which is UV, and go on up through blue (around 400 nm). X-ray film is somewhat sensitive to those wavelengths. The standard method for sequencing DNA involved running it out on a gel that was then laid on X-ray film. Radioactive markers were attached to the DNA to make it show up on the film. If, for whatever reason, the markers weren't added or were no longer radioactive, nothing, absolutely nothing, appears on the X-ray film. Not even after a day or two of exposure.

Now, that research uses dead DNA. I'm not sure we have the tools to study DNA, untampered with and in its normal state, inside the cell. Who knows, maybe then it emits light.

It would sure be fun if it was true!
 
 
DecayingInsect
15:59 / 27.03.06
there's also a book by Jeremy Narby, The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge that has interesting speculations on biophotons, dna and entheogens, kind of like the McKenna stuff, but to my mind more plausible.

but here's a question: how much information can biophotons transmit? after all we're being bombarded with cosmic rays all the time... wouldn't the noise drown the signal?
 
 
Dead Megatron
16:52 / 27.03.06
but here's a question: how much information can biophotons transmit? after all we're being bombarded with cosmic rays all the time... wouldn't the noise drown the signal?

Well, assuming this theory is correct at some level, then we may have discovered yet another function for our skull and skin: signal blocking.
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:12 / 28.03.06
Now, that research uses dead DNA. I'm not sure we have the tools to study DNA, untampered with and in its normal state, inside the cell. Who knows, maybe then it emits light.

Umm, not necessarily, and we do, actually. Live cell imaging? Plant cells in particular are really good for live imaging, and it's a huge area of interest to life scientists. Some examples:

http://deepgreen.stanford.edu/

live cell imaging resources list from Olympus

From 'Dead cells don't dance: insights from live-cell imaging in plants.', Curr Opin Plant Biol. 2000 Dec;3(6):532-7. Review, by S Cutler and D Ehrhardt.

"The ability to observe subcellular components in live plant cells using green fluorescent protein (GFP), reporter dyes and other technologies has enabled biologists to bypass these limitations [of having to fix & kill cells for imaging], and to gain fresh and often unexpected insights into subcellular organization and dynamics.

...

A common theme that emerges from live-cell studies is that the structure or dynamics of well-characterized organelles can be surprising when viewed in vivo. A striking example of this is illustrated by independent work from the Hawes and Staehelin research groups on Golgi dynamics. Using cis-Golgi-targeted GFP reporters (Fig. 1a), they have shown the plant Golgi apparatus to be remarkably dynamic. Plant Golgi move directionally through the cytoplasm with characteristic stop-and-start patterns. Golgi motility is closely associated with background tubular endoplasmic reticulum (ER) structures, creating the appearance of a Golgi network that moves ‘tethered’ to the ER. Depolymerization of F-actin (but not of microtubules) stops Golgi movements, implying that Golgi motility is actin-dependent. These observations contrast with those from studies of animal Golgi that appear to be relatively stationary."

Images presented in the Cutler and Ehrhardt review mostly have scale bars around 10nm. The major DNA filament (the solenoid) is 30nm diameter, so that's - umm, - 300 times smaller, and that's how DNA would appear most of the time in a cell's life, hence would only be barely visible at that scale if it really did "emit photons". But chromatin (nuclear material including DNA and the packing proteins) has highly condensed forms, e.g. during cell division, and a lot of effort has gone into imaging it.

Kapoor et al 2006.jpg
"Fig. 2. Monooriented chromosomes are transported toward the spindle equator along kinetochore fibers of other chromosomes. (A) Two-color fluorescence image of a live PtK1 cell in which kinetochores were labeled with CENP-F/Alexa488 (red) and microtubules with tubulin/rhodamine (green). Area marked with white brackets is enlarged in (B to F). (B to F) selected frames from the two-color time-lapse recording. In each frame, CENP-F/Alexa488 fluorescence (kinetochores) is shown alone (top) and overlaid in red on microtubules (bottom). Arrows mark the kinetochore that moved toward the spindle equator. Note that trajectory of this kinetochore coincided with a prominent kinetochore fiber that extended from the spindle pole to a kinetochore on a bioriented chromosomes already positioned on the metaphase plate (arrowhead). Time in seconds. Scale bars: (A) 5 µm, (F) 2.5 µm. (G) Schematic illustrating the sequence of events presented in (B to F)."
(From Science 20 January 2006: Vol. 311. no. 5759, pp. 388 - 391, 'Chromosomes Can Congress to the Metaphase Plate Before Biorientation', T. M. Kapoor, M. A. Lampson, P. Hergert, L. Cameron, D. Cimini, E. D. Salmon, B. F. McEwen, A. Khodjakov)

35 science papers on PubMed about live plant cell imaging, some of which use intrinsic fluorescence, not even GFP mutants or introduced dyes. Although why would Barbeloids be prejudiced against mutants ? Perhaps they 'have less qi' or are 'not really alive'?

Of course, perhaps it's only the DNA of special non-sheeple humans whose DNA emits photons, and their DNA is special and not like the DNA of all the other organisms on earth, e.g., the 'DNA activation' people with their "48 strand DNA".
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:02 / 28.03.06
Well, assuming this theory is correct at some level, then we may have discovered yet another function for our skull and skin: signal blocking.

Well, our DNA experiences a couple of million damage incidents daily from cosmic radiation (which goes through your skin like it's not there), UV light, etc. So the question of "nonsense noise" jamming up any possible information transfer is still relevant.

Incidentally, there's a "DNA Activation" thread running in Temple which people might find interesting if they like this kind of stuff.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:25 / 28.03.06
Good point Wevil. And, incidentally, I just want to say that "Dead cells don't dance: insights from live-cell imaging in plants." is the coolest name for a scientific paper I've ever seen.

Strong truth
 
 
quixote
03:16 / 30.03.06
Live *cell* imaging is a bit different from *DNA* imaging. Yes, of course there's live cell imaging. And fluurescent tags are attached to various parts of DNA to follow its action. But that's a tad different from directly studying live DNA at the atomic level without any fluorescent tags. After all, if you want to study "biophotons," you wouldn't want to lose all the signal in the glare of some dye, right?

Also interesting is that DNA emanations have not been observed so far during live cell imaging. But neither have they been looked for, specifically, I don't think.
 
  
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