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Unconscious Magik

 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
12:00 / 26.09.01
I think there was thread on this on an earlier Barbelith. Here's the deal:

The other day I was walking to the market to pick up some ciggarettes with a friend. We were lamenting the fact that for the first time in weeks we had no money for weed. The idea of locating some ganja/money had been floating around in my head all day. On the walk back home, I find thirty-five dollars on the side of the road, more than enough to buy a quarter. Woo hoo! Two weeks or so earlier, I was lamenting that I had no change to play the greatest arcade game of all time, Metal Slug. The idea of finding/stealing a few quarters had been floating around in my head for a while when I walk up the stairs to the market on campus and find a shiny quarter sitting on the console of the very game I wanted to play.

These are only a few examples of things I desire coming into my possession. It happens fairly frequently.

Here's my question: is this luck? Or am I causing these things to happen through my own will? Or is it more likely that this happens all the time and I'm only just now noticing, and not becuase of my recent increase in purposeful magikal activity?
 
 
Pin
18:37 / 26.09.01
Bastard. I get the opposite. I spent all day with the idea of getting to work and getting meself a hot chocolate and reading tabloids (complete with inner laughing, naturally), and it doesn't fucking happen. This is just one example, of many where what i imagine happening (and I mean vividly imagine) doens't happen. Anyone know of how tostop this, or should I just stop imaging the minute forthcoming details of my life in full blown colour surround-sound detail, and just let it all happen?

It's kinda linked to the thraed. I'm not pi]really[/i] stealing it. Really.

Sod it, I just wanted a rant. Ignore all this and have your thread back. Lucky bastard.
 
 
cusm
18:52 / 26.09.01
From my experience, when I actively vividly fantasize for things to happen like you describe, they become less likely to happen. I have to play a tricky game with myself in specificly not thinking about something I want to happen, while letting my subconscious work towards it. Its a different sort of sorcery, sometimes called "thread weaving" where you actively work to call future possibilities, but can't force it in any way or it'll immediately backfire. Requires a lot of finesse. I'm usually too impatient to do it well myself
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:30 / 26.09.01
quote:
thirty-five dollars on the side of the road, more than enough to buy a quarter. Woo hoo!


Errrrrr...
I'm not sure if I should be happy for you or Horrorfied.
you couldn't even get an 8th for that price in these Parts... but then again, Emerald Triangle is the area...
Killer-Green-Bud's the name!!!
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:23 / 27.09.01
Shit like that happens to me all the time but with TV and the radio... I want to watch and old movie ar see a video or hear a song and it'll come on!
 
 
Warewullf
09:23 / 27.09.01
quote:Originally posted by cusm:
From my experience, when I actively vividly fantasize for things to happen like you describe, they become less likely to happen. I have to play a tricky game with myself in specificly not thinking about something I want to happen, while letting my subconscious work towards it. Its a different sort of sorcery, sometimes called "thread weaving" where you actively work to call future possibilities, but can't force it in any way or it'll immediately backfire. Requires a lot of finesse. I'm usually too impatient to do it well myself


Holy shit, that's exactly what I do! I couldn't put it into words!

A thought occurs and I'm like "that'd be cool but DON'T THINK ABOUT IT! LOOK, A CAR!! A WALL! THE SKY! DISTRACTION A GO-GO!!" and very often the original thought will manifest.

This also explains why, when a bad thought occurs to me, I actively focus on it to dispel it. ie. I ensure that my subconcious isn't working toward making the bad thing actually happen.

[ 27-09-2001: Message edited by: Warewullf ]
 
 
Bear
09:23 / 27.09.01
impulsivelad

The TV thing is something a posted on another site a couple of days ago.. it always happens to me..

Another interesting thing thats happened to me is change from shops, a couple of times i've thought i should get a certain amount of change and thats how much I get - even though its a few quid more, but I havn't tried this on purpose it always happens when I miscount and I'm only aware when I leave the shop, but i'm going to start working on this a little more...
 
 
adamswish
15:26 / 27.09.01
i have this "coincidence magick" happen to me.
the phone will go and I'll know who it is (something RAW meantions in his stuff), I'll be in a bar and just know I'll bump into an old friend (or four as happened a couple of weeks ago) or I'll be out and start wondering if I'll bump into so-and-so and just round the next corner there they are.
DOn't know if this is me forcing reality to make this stuff happen or if i'm a play thing of some higher being out there.
Guess for it to work it's best not to ask to many questions or you'll lose it. Kind of like checking inside the goose who laid the golden egg and only finding the insides of a normal goose.
 
 
cusm
15:28 / 27.09.01
Its called "syncronicity"
 
 
Pin
19:45 / 27.09.01
I've taken to imagining the opposite of what I want, but normally just find reality finds a new way to not do what I (admitedly still quite conciously) want it to do. That said I can make things a dead cert if I imagine all it could turn out but the good one, and if I don't think about something blatently (easy example: getting a text message to send with my shitty phone... don't pay any attention to it once it's sent, or just focus on the "Sending message" bit and don't think about the outcome), then it'll happen.

And when you live in a constate of paranoia and pessimmisim, good sutff happenin' seems amazingly great...
 
 
Mister Snee
22:13 / 27.09.01
Woohoo, I started this thread on the aforementioned older Barbelith. Spontaneous memetic resurrection!

And yars, as was the reason for starting the thing in the first place, this sort of "coincidence magick" happens to me all the time, although it's not so much when I just want something to happen as when I consciously consider trying to effect its occurrence through magickal means but then honestly forget to ever do so. Generally, I mean to make a sigil for something, forget to, and it happens -- after which I remember I intended to sigil for it at one point.

Woop!
 
 
Seth
22:13 / 27.09.01
There are a lot of instances in which answers to prayer are set in motion/answered before the petition is made. The most common one is praying for money late in the evening, and receiving the exact sum in the morning's post (ie; it had to have been posted before the petition was made). It even works retroactively when there's only an intention, no action. Beneficial magical things have happened to me even when there is no intention (perhaps due to the journey through life with Someone looking over your shoulder, knowing the path ahead; perhaps due to the network of people around the world throwing prayers my way; more likely both/and).

There's something decidedly non-linear at work. "Effect" preceding "Cause" is one of the first observable phenomena (this has set me off considering the implications in more depth. Perhaps more later).
 
 
Lazlo Woodbine [some call me Laz]
10:44 / 28.09.01
I've recently started to remember my dreams in vivid detail, and small things from them appear to happening in the conscious world.

For example i live in a small town close to a gypse camp, a couple of Saturdays ago my town had its annual Funfair, I went but had to go home at ten, on account of me pulling a whitey.
I went to bed and dremt that four of these local gypses' followed me home to have a fight with me but they ended up having a fight between them selvs, close to a burnt out hospital just out of view. I woke up when one of the gyppos was punched in the eye.

Later that day my friend informed me of the happenings of that night
There had indeed been a fight, it had been the gyppos, they were fighting between families, it was near the hospital(not burnt out), one of them was shot in the eye by an air-rifle as the police arrived to end the fight.

It's been other little things as well, convesations in the pub, places i go with other people, and as i've recently been keeping a dream diary i know it's not just deja'vu.
Is there any way i can increase the accuracy and indeed the freqency of such dreams??
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:56 / 28.09.01
Both of the below examples...

quote:Shit like that happens to me all the time but with TV and the radio... I want to watch and old movie ar see a video or hear a song and it'll come on!

and

quote:the phone will go and I'll know who it is (something RAW meantions in his stuff), I'll be in a bar and just know I'll bump into an old friend (or four as happened a couple of weeks ago) or I'll be out and start wondering if I'll bump into so-and-so and just round the next corner there they are.

sound less like magic (unconscious or otherwise) and more like what parapsychologists have termed 'Hypercognition'. Hypercognition can incorporate pre- and retro- cognition and is similar to the clair senses but the biggest thing that defines it is that the person receives a flash of knowledge or intuition without a psuedo-sensory experience.

I think it's less of anyone unconsciously 'making' things happen or being controlled by some other destiny.

Developing those talents would give you helpful tools during magic and in your mundane life as well.

And in regards to Johnny's original question...

quote:
Here's my question: is this luck? Or am I causing these things to happen through my own will? Or is it more likely that this happens all the time and I'm only just now noticing, and not becuase of my recent increase in purposeful magikal activity?


Whenever I've reached a new 'level' of magical awareness or aptitude I always find an abundance of synchronicity and 'luck' if I'm doing things right. In my paradigm it's a way that the spirits I work with are reinforcing the choices I've made and letting me know I'm on the right path. I've also made decisions that have had the negative synchronicity of 'everything is falling apart' which is a slap upside the head that I've just fucked something up.

There's also plenty of times that I've stumbled into a 'current' of synchronicity that had nothing to do with me or my allies. My penchant for looking at things magically just allowed me to notice what I would've ignored otherwise. When that happens it's like riding a wave, you can either go with it, fight against it, or be oblivious and wonder where it went when it goes into shore.

I don't know whether either of these is what's going on with you, it's just the only thing I've experienced that is appropriate to your question.
 
 
adamswish
15:20 / 28.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
sound less like magic (unconscious or otherwise) and more like what parapsychologists have termed 'Hypercognition'. Hypercognition can incorporate pre- and retro- cognition and is similar to the clair senses but the biggest thing that defines it is that the person receives a flash of knowledge or intuition without a psuedo-sensory experience.

I think it's less of anyone unconsciously 'making' things happen or being controlled by some other destiny.

Developing those talents would give you helpful tools during magic and in your mundane life as well.



So are there exercises for increasing my 'Hypercognition' into a more useful force in my steps towards a magical life?
 
 
deja_vroom
15:54 / 28.09.01
I'll change my nick to Synchboy. Get a cup of coffee and follow me:

Someone wants to tell me that my color is RED, and that it is connected somehow with the Tao. (This is the puzzle parts so far: the color red and the Tao)

1-I'm walking in the street. There's a little girl with red shoes coming, the sun on her shoes makes them really bright. An old man is walking aside me, paralelling with me and the little girl. His pants are red, same tone. Coming aside the girl is an old woman, red shirt in the same tone, the sun making it almost to shine. When they pass by each other, it's like an anthropoid creature is created - shoes, pants and shirt - and then disappears. Describing it, it looks banal. But it was not. Visually, it was something I had never noticed happening before.
2 - I start noticing red everywhere. I start thinking about it. What does it mean? Why?
I wake up in the dark and go to the bathroom, my thoughts still focused on this subject. I spit in the sink and turn the light on. It was a spit of blood. A big red bloody thing splattered on the sink.
3 - I am re-reading Animal Man by Grant Morrisson. The bit where he takes the peyote in the desert. He is looking at the Universe, and the Universe is red - and then it strikes me: "here I go again".

He looks around and says: "IT IS RED". And then: "WHY IS IT RED??". I remember all the syncronicities around the color red that started to happen to me. The song I'm listening to at the time? Pearl Jam's "Red Mosquito".

4- Some of my friends call me "Red" Mesquita (Mesquita is my surname). "RED". Only then I remembered that.

5- My band's homepage was built entirely in red patterns - months before all this start to happen.

6- At work, I usually talk on the phone, or read stuff here at Barbelith, while mindlessly scribbling, drawing bits of stuff in every piece of paper I can put my hands on.
Without even thinking about it, I draw a cat's head, it's eyes staring firmly at the viewer. On its side, an unfinished sketch of a cat's rear legs, in profile, with a big, desproportional tail waving smoothly. I completely forget the drawing.
I get home at night to see a big red stain on my door - blood. There was an accident with "2", one of my cats (yes, that's her name). She lost the tip of her tail when my bedroom door slammed behind her.
I had completely forgotten the drawing until next day, when I noticed the crumbled piece of paper next to my monitor. The fucking tail waving. The big eyes staring at me, as if in a warning.

7-I'm walking home, thiking about the Tao. How I should try to learn more about it, because it seems to be such a great way of viewing the world. I decide to research on the Web about the Tao. But what should I look for?
There's a big RED shiny car blocking my way.
The license plate reads >>LAO + some numbers I dont remember<<

As in Lao-Tzu, right???

P.S.: If you guys know anything about the color red, I'd appreciate the info.
 
 
cusm
19:44 / 28.09.01
Red is the color of the root Chackra, seat of physical energy, potential, immediate physical Malchuth sort of things. Eat, sleep, shag. Fight or flight.

Rather the other side of the spectrum from the Tao, which as a state of trancendence is more a 7th or 8th chackra state (depending on if you use the Chinese or Hindu chackra models). Red and Tao, earth and heaven.

Of course, living as a Taoist is living in a simple state, being closer to the earth and immediate things that the complexities of intellectual discourse. Flow like the water, to the low places.

This all might be a reminder to concentrate on the physical rather than the magickal, pay attention to what is around you. You might have noticed your cat's tail being chopped were your eyes more in the here in now

There's my take on it, anyway.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:17 / 30.09.01
quote:Originally posted by adamswish:


So are there exercises for increasing my 'Hypercognition' into a more useful force in my steps towards a magical life?


I'm not sure. I've read a bit about the subject but not practical exercises per se. Maybe someone else here has had more experience with the 'psychic' or 'parapsychological' paradigms.

For myself, any increase in passive and/or active 'parapsychological' talents that I've experienced (which are limited to what is sometimes called 'sensitivity' or 'empathy' and to some degree hypercognition) came about as a side effect of trying to increase my ability to see 'shamanically' the spirit world influences while not in an ecstatic trance. This would probably be similar to any magician increasing his or her magical awareness whether in ritual or not. It seems that when you work on your subtle senses a lot of different muscles get a workout.
 
 
adamswish
12:04 / 02.10.01
Lothar, would the excerises GM mentions at the start of pop magic aid the development of hypercognition. That kind of looking at everything as a message or portant.

Remembered while reading Jade's post above.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:33 / 02.10.01
I think it could. GM's exercises sound like they would work the same muscles as what I experienced. That would make for a good experiment: doing GM's magical exercises to increase 'psychic abilities'.

If it worked the next quesion would be if 'psychic abilities' could be considered 'magickal awareness', just subdivided and labelled by a psuedo-scientific paradigm.
 
 
Tucker Tripp
22:06 / 02.10.01
I experience syncronicities all the time. Whether they be in dreams, observations, replicating events or whatever.

I have found that the syncronicities tend to follow patterns sometimes I'll go through a phase where they are more in dreams and sometimes I'll have more waking ones.

But I get the general feeling, as seems common, that if I try to force them or focus on them to strongly they tend to dwindle or become erronious.
 
  
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