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The Mindscape of Alan Moore

08:23 / 03.05.05

Does anyone know where and if this documentary is available for online purchase? Couldn't find it on Amazon.

Anyone seen it? Any good?

http://www.ica.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=13303

10:33 / 03.05.05

I’ve seen it, and it’s pretty good – Alan doesn’t say anything that you probably haven’t come across elsewhere, but it’s nicely done, and they do some pretty interesting dramatic bits, such as the openings of V for Vendetta and Watchmen, and the costumes etc don’t look too bad.

It was made by Shadowsnake projects, who have a website at Shadowsnake.com, but I can’t seem to get to any pages thereon which might suggest whether it’s available to buy (the Marketplace page seems a likely link), but that might be my computer not playing along.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

13:59 / 03.05.05

They're showing it at the Bristol Expo too, I'm looking forward to seeing it for the first time.

14:58 / 03.05.05

They've promised that a Dvd release announcement in impending...

17:35 / 03.05.05

I don't think it's out yet. Certainly haven't seen it on the Alan Moore list yet.

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

00:54 / 04.05.05

I'm intereted in seeing this when/if it comes out. If only to see if Moore's style of speech is really how Warren Ellis described it. Ellis' Moore impression was damnably hilarious.

02:12 / 04.05.05

He sounds a bit like that guy (Jesse?) off The Fast Show my friend pointed out, after we'd watched my tape of this late Channel 4 prog about him.

"This week I 'ave been mostly altering the paradigms of comics...", that sort of thing.

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:16 / 04.05.05

He has a Northhamptonshire accent, doesn't he?

08:05 / 04.05.05

'He has a Northhamptonshire accent, doesn't he?'

He does. Which is, of course, hilarious. Unless you are from Northhampton or unless you got over finding regional accents funny when you were about 10.

ONLY NICE THINGS

09:22 / 04.05.05

Well, quite. My confusion was that Duncan seemed to think he had the same accent as a comic Mummerset character from The Fast Show, which is a long way from the Northants accent. Possibly all English accents sound the same to him.

yawn - thing's buddy

10:06 / 04.05.05

whatever, it is a horrible accent.

so boring.

11:12 / 04.05.05

It's more the tonality. But do lets get upset about nothing anyway.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:15 / 04.05.05

Is anyone upset? I don't think anyone's upset. You look a bit inept, but I don't think "inept" is the same as "upset" unless tool use is on the agenda.

11:33 / 04.05.05

that's a bit unnecessary. what, you're SO REALLY PISSED OFF that Duncan wasn't sure where a sketch-character is supposed to come from? you can't prove that the fast show farmer was intended to come from somerset, the accent was i think intended to be 'generic country idiot', and to me sounded derived from the fens far more than the levels, not that far from moore-town at all really.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:47 / 04.05.05

Mummerset, Gumby, not Somerset. That is, a "generic country idiot" voice. Once again, I can only recommend close reading.

As mentioned, I don't think anyone was pissed off, although you seem to have broken out the caps lock in an attempt to suggest that somebody was, because as we know emotion is a sign of weakness. I suggested that, being Scottish, Duncan might not have an ear for English regional accents, just as I can't tell a Glasgow accent from an Elgin accent, hence his rather eccentric comparison. Ghadis, I think, suggested that finding Warren Ellis' comedy regional accents the very mode was a little juvenile. Duncan then decided to judge what was worth discussing and how, and to claim that anyone who did not share his views on this was a) upset and b) talking about nothing, neither of which contentions is inarguable.

13:41 / 04.05.05

If you want to hear his voice for yourself, it’s fairly easily found at various places online, such as
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000003SD6/ref=m_art_li_2/102-4505270-7333730?v=glance&s=music

For some reason, I’ve always thought his voice more resembles a gruffer version of strongman Geoff Capes, but that may be because he looks like a considerable more hirsute version. Not too much like Jesse from the Fast Show, unless it’s ‘this week I have mostly been worshipping snakes’ or similar…

15:03 / 04.05.05

actually, just had a finger on the shift key.

so how does 'generic country accent' preclude northants? they have country there too don't they?

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:15 / 04.05.05

But Mummerset doesn't sound like Alan Moore, does it? Mummerset sounds like Jesse from The Fast Show, and not like Alan Moore, because Alan Moore does not speak like a generic country idiot. Whereas Jesse does, because Jesse is speaking in a Mummerset accent. Which is a term to describe the artificial West Country accent affected by actors, for example the actors in The Fast Show. As opposed to "a Northamptonshire accent", which is a term used to describe the accent which people from Northamptonshire often have, and which, I believe, Alan Moore has.

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

20:30 / 04.05.05

He definitly doesn't sound like a generic country idiot. His accent's actually a bit lighter than Ellis', but that may just be due to regional stuff.

Ellis must have just been describing how Moore talks on the phone, because that clip on Amazon had him talking at a pretty good clip.

09:58 / 05.05.05

hang on, 'west country' or 'generic country' accent? which is it to be?

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:25 / 05.05.05

What it is to be, Gumbitch, is you getting ruder and ruder and more and more abstruse as you refuse to admit that you misread my original comment and, not knowing the word "Mummerset", interpolated "Somerset", because you are so averse to admitting any error that your alternative is in effect to spam yourself and everyone around you until they surrender, or of course get irritated, in which case you win 4 evah. Shall we skip to the end on this one?

For future reference, "Mummerset" describes a cod-West Country accent used to express "generic country idiot/yokel" by actors. You are trying to ignore this word because your failure to understand it in the first place has made your subsequent critique incoherent. The argument "they have country in Northants too" is demonstrably nonsense - they have country in South Africa, but Jesse from The Fast Show's accent cannot accurately be described as a South African accent. It is a Mummerset accent. Which is not like the accent of Alan Moore and oh gosh I appear to be repeating myself to somebody with no actual interest in what I am saying.

11:16 / 05.05.05

This will stop soon, yes?

11:45 / 05.05.05

I'm so very, very sorry. I too would like to see The Mindscape of Alan Moore, and didn't know it existed until this thread.

Thanks rakker.

15:24 / 05.05.05

i apologise if you thought i was being rude. the shift key thing was a bit chuckley i thought, but ne'er mind. i think you were being rather rude to duncan by chucking the word 'inept' about when things herearound aren't particularly clear cut: you've made the assertion, i think, that 'mummerset' [a faintly unpleasant word that draws rather heavily on rural/urban preconceptions and prejudices, and is to my knowledge entirely unused in the area which you are using it to describe] is a generic country accent and a generic west country accent. i think the chap from the fast show sounds as much like a farmer from central england as from western. why would duncan's detection of a similarity between that voice and alan moore's make you need to be mean to him?

this might quickly boil down to 'i know accents better than you so nur', and that would be silly.

unless you were being chuckley with the 'inept' thing and i overreacted? wouldn't be the first time. if so, please let's die soon.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:57 / 05.05.05

I'm not sure about chuckly - I was suggesting that "let's all get upset over nothing" was a pretty inept way to lay claim either to rectitude or the moral high ground. Nothing to do with his ability to identify accents, only with him being rude. In much the same way, I don't think it's wise to fog the issue with accusations of regionalism with:

i think, that 'mummerset' [a faintly unpleasant word that draws rather heavily on rural/urban preconceptions and prejudices, and is to my knowledge entirely unused in the area which you are using it to describe]

because that just bespeaks a failure to understand what Mummerset means, which is particularly odd when I explained it directly above. The "mummer" is your clue here. "Mummerset" is not a nasty metropolitan word to describe West Country accents. It's a term to describe a particular "generic rural/West Country" accent affected by actors. Mummer. Do you see? So, Jesse's accent is Mummerset - a generic "yokel" accent of a kind affected by actors. You say it sounds as much like Central England as West Country, rather proving my point about its artificiality. Point being, it doesn't sound a) like a Northants accent generally or b) like Alan Moore specifically. Hence the confusion.

So, Ghadis was unimpressed by Warren Ellis' mockery of Alan Moore's accent, and I was unimpressed by Duncan's petulance. Duncan's belief that Alan Moore sounded like Jesse from the Fast Show occasioned a degree of confusion, but no meanness to my knowledge. Clearer?

16:37 / 05.05.05

i kept waiting for the bold tags to get broken out. Ha.

06:44 / 10.05.05

There is a clip from the film up at the AM fansite. One shot of Moore, with a cool snippet of dialogue - "the human race is becoming steam."

And I like his voice, although his singing on the 1st Moon & Serpent CD is **ahem** unusual. Took me years to get round to listening to it (it's a short song). Lo & behold David J sings harmony at one point. Bauhaus moment. Cool.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

08:38 / 17.05.05

The Bristol thing was only 10 minutes and not the whole film unfortunately (plus an interview/discussion with the Director, the unfeasibly named DeZ Vylenz, plus David Lloyd, Leah Moore, John Reppion and Chris Staros). On the bright side though, I won a copy of the DVD, which will be sent to me on it's release in December!

Our Lady Has Left the Building

19:45 / 01.08.07

They had it in at Gosh last week. I should point out that if they have any left, some of the copies have had the DVDs broken, presumably in transit, so if you buy one (if they have any left), open it in store and check. They replaced my copy without question, because they are lovely people.

Yes, the first disk is pretty much the shape of Alan's brain four or five years ago (I don't think he's been talking too much about the world becoming steam recently has he?), the second disk, talking with his collaborators, is more interesting.

15:59 / 03.08.07

I think it's available through Top Shelf comics, which are also publishing just about anything new from Moore, lately. Lost Girls being the biggest example...