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Sport- Are You in the Stands or in Your Comfy Chair?

 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:01 / 30.04.05
I've been really getting into the snooker over the last week, especially this afternoon as genial cherubic Shaun Murphy beat evil bald time-wasting Peter Ebdon.

Now, maybe it's because although I will watch some forms of sport I wouldn't claim to be a fan, but is it really better to be there in person to watch it, or do TV viewers not get things better? Commentator prattle aside, if you take an unfriendly space like The Crucible, unless you've got seats down the front you're going to have a hard time in the Gods seeing what's going on, and in football too, you'll have large periods of time when play is distant from you.

So, why turn up?
 
 
charrellz
15:21 / 30.04.05
I'm not a sports fan at all, but I've been to a couple of basketball games. I'm not sure why, but it just sucked me into it when I was there. Watching it on tv bores me to tears, but I was yelling and cheering when at the game. So, yes, going is better than tv. Why? I have no idea.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:54 / 30.04.05
Because once subsumed in the crowd you can surrender all your pretenses to individuality and join in with the baying and the incipient threat of some homoerotic violence?
 
 
w1rebaby
19:12 / 30.04.05
Is snooker a sport?

I've been to various games but I've never really got into any of them. There's this short gap where I enjoy watching sport, which I think is best illustrated with a diagram.

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sober and think it's all silly

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drunk enough to be interested

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too drunk to understand what's going on

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Depending on the game, the period of interest may be small or non-existent. For instance, football is quite easy to understand even when you're utterly fucked. However, with American football I've found that I am quite frequently not drunk enough to care and too drunk to understand what's going on.
 
 
Dxncxn
20:30 / 01.05.05
Not sure to what extent any of this applies to snooker, but since you mention football as well, three advantages to being there immediately spring to mind:

Because tv coverage is constantly switching between a whole bunch of cameras, you’re basically relying on someone else’s choice of what you see. Most of the time that’ll be fine, but occasionally they miss things, or they have interests which aren’t the same as yours. (For example, when you’re at a game, you’ll miss the shots of the manager reacting to the penalty decision, but, in my case, it’s only ‘miss’ in the sense of ‘not see’ as opposed to ‘long for’). And it’s certainly my experience that, if you’re sitting quite high up, there’s tactical stuff that becomes a lot clearer when you can watch the movement of the team as a whole, rather than constantly cutting to close-ups.

Secondly, many people believe that the noise made by supporters can have an impact on the game. My personal feeling is that this phenomenon is exaggerated for PR purposes by most people within football, but there have been occasions where I’ve believed that the noise, or lack thereof, has made a difference to a performance I’ve seen. And so, as part of that crowd, I feel I’ve contributed in some miniscule way. And, obviously, while this may be rare, there’s no chance whatsoever of it happening if you’re watching from home.

And finally, it’s all kind of pretty. The grass is very green and the shirts are very shiny, and so, to some extent, it’s like the difference between seeing Big Ben and seeing footage of Big Ben. Or whatever.
 
 
ibis the being
20:42 / 01.05.05
I love going to baseball games. Sadly I haven't gone for two years but one summer I got to attend about five games. The appeal is probably hard to understand unless you've been there but it's a really joyful way to spend an afternoon (or evening). Sitting outside, enjoying a few cold beers and peanuts, watching the game, and yes being part of a cheering crowd is a lot of fun. In the bottom of the eighth, you've got a one run lead, there's two outs, two strikes, and there's that long pause before the closer throws a fastball - everyone's on their feet cheering - I don't see how anyone could not get caught up in that.

I never liked watching sports, including baseball, until I got to go to some games. When you get to see them in person, albeit from a distance, they become more human than the little guys on the screen. Now I watch baseball and occasionally (American) football when "my" team is playing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:57 / 01.05.05
I have no interest in sport.

However... a few years ago, a friend of mine phoned and asked if I wanted to go to her place to watche the World Cup with a bunch of our friends. I replied, obviously, "but I fucking hate football"...

to which she replied "I know that. I'm asking if you want to come round, get drunk and shout at the TV."

When she put it like that, I had to admit, it sounded like a good evening. And so it was.

Another friend tried to tempt me into a daytrip to Southend to watch Yeovil Town play (which would have been, er, yesterday). I have to admit, he almost had me convinced. For similar reasons to the "World Cup/TV" thing.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:19 / 02.05.05
I am an enormous baseball fan, and Ibis is right on about how much fun ity is to spend an afternoon (I much prefer going to day games and watching night games on TV) watching a ball game and drinking overpriced beer. I've been to football games (American football, natch) and basketball games before and haven't found either too terribly interesting.

I have no interest in sitting inside and watching a game, so I found watching the Celtics play basketball to be sweaty, smelly and uncomfortably hot. Watching the Patriots at Gillette stadium was better, but there are too many periods of inaction during the game where I wished I was home so I could change the channel or play with my rabbit during the downtime. Plus, football and the average football fan piss me off more the more hyped the game gets. The NFL is getting to the point where I feel I should boycott it on lack of restraint.

But, if you get a chance to go to a baseball game, minor or major league, go. Baseball doesn't translate to TV as well as football, basketball, and, I would assume, hockey, which I loathe. In those games, all the action can be captured by the camera at once. Going to a live baseball game, you can see the infielders put on a shift, and the outfielders position themselves. You can tell what kind of hitter a guy is without having the announcers tell you, just from watching the defense set up for him. You can watch the players in the dugouts and the relievers in the bullpen, watch the manager give signs, and, most importantly, you can heckle the opposing team. If you sit behind home plate, you can heckle the batters, but I much prefer to sit along the third-base line and give the guys on the bench hell. Some guys will give you shit in return (David Wells was hilarious when the Yankees used to come to town), usually in a good-natured way.

There's no place I'd rather be on a summer afternoon than in the stands at Fenway Park. If you've never been, go, especially if you can go to Fenway, Wrigley or Yankee Stadium- the old ballparks are still the best. The new, retro ones are kinda cool, too. I especially like Coors Field and Camden Yards. Don't ever go to fucking Dodger Stadium, and not just because the goddamn Dodgers play there. It sucks. AA and AAA parks are a lot of fun, too. You can usually sit wherever you want, and it'sa MUCH cheaper. I go see the Sea Dogs a dozen or so times a year, and they have a nice ballpark.

Okay. I must stop. This is what happens when I get going about baseball.
 
 
sleazenation
19:45 / 02.05.05
I wouldn't say I was a bit of a sports fan but I do love International Rugby, particularly The Six Nations. I'll watch them at home or in the the group atmosphere of the pub with friends and anyone else who turns up... I have gone to Twickenham and watched the match in a pub about half a mile from the stadium... but it is only with the testimonial match later this month that I am likely to actually go and watch a match...
 
 
Fist Fun
20:56 / 02.05.05
I love going to live football but it is just so much hassle and so damn expensive. A trip to see Bristol City cost me seventeen quid.

I have a season ticket to Manchester United that my Dad looks after but now I no longer live in Manchester it is just such a pain to go to.

TV is so easy and the views are great. You aren't really part of the experience and it isn't something you are going to regale passers by with - the time you watched this classic game down the pub.
 
 
ibis the being
21:34 / 02.05.05
AA and AAA parks are a lot of fun, too. You can usually sit wherever you want, and it'sa MUCH cheaper.

Yeah! I've been to McCoy a couple times and that was so much fun. One of those times was the exhibition game between the Red Sox and Paw Sox, and it was interesting to see which pro players were good sports about it and which (*cough* Nomar *cough*) didn't want to waste their precious talents on minor leaguers. Actually I'm thinking of trying to get down to McCoy this weekend if there's a game happening....
 
 
astrojax69
22:55 / 02.05.05
the crowd at an AFL (aussie rules) is a hoot! and at smaller grounds (sadly few now) you can talk at the players and they will hear you. all right, scream at them... but i made wayne carey miss a goal at the SCG once, telling him he was a duck just as he was waddling up to kick it. he missed! yea... (though my cats still lost the game, i was chuffed i made the duck miss one!)

can't do that at a telly.

but at a live game you can interact with the players and other spectators - especially in smaller league games. at big games, the vibe of being in an 85,00 crowd at the boxing day test match at mecca (MCG) is incredible. especially when we hammer the english. and a day after xmas pudding and too much of everything, a great way to get it out.

still, telly has the best close-ups and, if you don't know the game or teams so well, the commentary can be a help. (though of course, there's always a radio and earphones)

both are good. sport is mindless passion and helps my brain disengage for a while. that's a good thing.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:55 / 03.05.05
I don't watch a lot of sports on TV (pro wrasslin is not a sport...), and the only one I will go to in person is Pro Basketball. Not only is it a nice, fast paced game, but they have a lot going on the arena to keep you interested when the teams are taking time outs and the like. However, like all US pro-sports, they've pretty much priced them out for the casual fan, and if you don't have your job buying you tickets, it has to be your main source of entertainment at $30 - $70 a seat.

On TV, basketball just doesn't work for me.

I used to watch American football on TV and liked it, but now the idea of investing 3 and a half hours in a single game strikes me as insane. I have trouble putting aside that much time for a movie, and to do it weekly on a game is just time I do not have. But I know that when I watched it, I would have never gone to see a game live...it's very much a game t5hat is made for television coverage.
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:17 / 03.05.05
Not much to add, but agree with earlier poster that there is something about seeing football in person from a tactical point of view which is great - I've always been interested in tactics in Association Football (one of the reasons why I think that the TV coverage of Italian Football on C4 was impressive to me, they chose views which played the game out on wider shots, so you tended to see the whole event) and seeing players off of the ball move around is great. The practice now of player-cams and close ups means that you miss so much in a game while watching it on television, and although you get replays they are limited, you never see a goal or attempt build if it's inception happened more than two passes ago. It gives a skewered view of the game, makes it look like individual moments from individual players. I didn't get to any games in the UK this year though (work and playing football stopped that) but did see one in the US and one in Spain this season. US one was fun, but lacked the singing elements that you get from UK games, the Spain game was at the Nou Camp, which was amazing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:34 / 03.05.05
Because once subsumed in the crowd you can surrender all your pretenses to individuality and join in with the baying and the incipient threat of some homoerotic violence?

See, some of us get that from rioting. Or did when we were younger, at any rate. Allegedly.

(Actually, I feel a thread on the attraction of mob mentality coming on... let me have a think and, obviously, round up a posse, and I'll give it a go...)
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:00 / 03.05.05
Yeah, ibis, McCoy is a great ballpark. I used to live in Providence, so it was ten minutes drive when you were bored on a summer afternoon. That was just perfect for a bunch of beer-drinking slackers.

Incidentally, have you seen the prices on Fenway tickets this year? Fucking bastards. Even the bleachers are obscenely expensive.
 
 
astrojax69
00:02 / 04.05.05
agree, too, with the broad view at a game, vs the close-in of tv coverage - i like to see the tactics - in a game like aussie rules, for instance, the real 'play' is where the guy is kicking to, which can be fifty or more metres up the park.

but the sport makes the difference - the replays and slo-mos and close-ups give cricket, for instance, great tv appeal, even if being there is better for other reasons. you see the play more clearly on the teev. that can be a good thing.

and beers are cheaper at the local than at the ground!!
 
 
William Sack
13:28 / 04.05.05
Yes, TV cricket is great fun. Radio can be even better. Re. drinking at Australian test matches; I have heard, and I have no idea whether it is true or not, that a few years ago the SCG introduced a limit on the amount of alcohol you could bring into the ground. There had been problems with people getting drunk on The Hill and barracking the players, so they brought in a limit of 24 cans per person. Any truth in this?
 
 
astrojax69
04:21 / 05.05.05
wow cash, that was a long time ago...! no alcohol permitted into the ground now - you have to patronise concrete bunkers that sell bad beer (sometimes it is only *lite") in plastic cups and only four per person.

but once upon a time they did 'limit' the no. of tinnies to a slab per person. i was too young to buy my own slab (24 pack carton of cans / stubbies of beer) ah, those were the days... when we had 'the hill' - now aptly the doug walters stand - at the scg. sigh...
 
 
uncle retrospective
10:08 / 05.05.05
Nothing to say about the topic, only to point out the lite beer being talked about is 2.3% if it's fosters.

*Eugh*
 
 
William Sack
13:57 / 05.05.05
Ahh, so that's 24 small cans of weak beer. My calculations then make it that one slab is only about the alcoholic equivalent of a litre of sherry. No wonder the Aussie cricket fans were up in arms about this outrageous restriction.
 
 
astrojax69
23:09 / 05.05.05
no no cash - the restriction to a byo slab did not prescribe the strength of beer - heaven forbid a bloke should be forced to bring his own and it be light!!

but yes, four big plastic cups of cold frothy beer-ish tasting water is about a nip of sherry and does nothing to soothe the nerves when the team is on the out.

what would everyone's ideal tipple at the [insert sport of preference here] be, if they had their druthers??

actually, sherry isn't so bad...!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
18:33 / 06.05.05
Baseball is a beer game, no question. It's usually hot at the ballpark, too, so something light and summery would be ideal. I'll go with Heineken. Not too expensive and you can drink a ton of them.
 
  
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