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Further techno-shopping recommendations - media players?

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:36 / 27.04.05
Crossposted to all the other places that shouted "get a mac" at me:

Last time I had a purchasing dilemma, lo, you spoke and I listened, and am now resolved to buy a 12-inch iBook the moment Tiger comes out. I asked for Linux recommendtions, and - hallelujah! - my spare PC is now ticking over like an open source beast. Come to me, my darlings, and help me once again to make an informed decision.
My needs are twofold. The first is that I think I probably need some form of capacious media player. This is as yet undetermined, but sitting on the plane back from Florence I realised that the 192MB of storage provided by my solid-state was a bit of a limiting factor, as was the incredibly irritating process of swapping tracks in and out of player and Compact Flash card, not to mention the limited run time provided by a single AA battery. Everything used to run on alkaline batteries, you know. None of this lithium nonsense. This may become less pressing when aforementioned iBook arrives, as my PDA can handle short hops (my standard model) - obviously, battery life being the main concern there.
Annnyway. That's issue the first. Issue the second is that I have a large, some would say silly large, collection of analogue media - magnetic tape and VCRs, primarily. It's occurred to me lately that, in order to hedge about actually getting rid of the books that actually take up most of the space in my flat, it might make sense to digitise these and dispose of/put in storage the originals. Now, the tapes can be digitised using my PC and Audacity or something to that effect, and get an analogue-to-digital video converter of the sort produced by dazzle for the videos. However, there are also media players out there, specifically the Archos AV series and the MSI Megaview 566, which can encode analogue input on the fly. Other than that, I don't think I'd have much use for a media player - books being the ultimate portable visual entertainment system for bus or train. I think I just like the idea of them - they seem so of the future.
So, would it make sense to amalgamate these functions in a media player, digitising straight from source using the player's software and then dumping it on my PC? Or to move the PC into the living room (which will have the added bonus of making Half-Life 2 impossible and make it my digital encoding girlfriend? Either way, what do you suggest I lay out for? Or is there a genius third option (beyond growing a pair and just throwing out or giving away products I have not listened to or watched for years), possibly involving Apple, as all good things apparently do?
 
 
grant
21:23 / 27.04.05
I know not much of what I speak, but I know a friend of mine has been storing video clips on his new iPod. It's got a couple gigs of memory on it. Macs have software to do all kinds of video file conversions, so if you don't mind a low-bit, crappy final product, you could definitely carry things around on an iPod. How many, and how to play back, I don't know.

I also just read about a new cellphone that has more storage space than an iPod, and a built-in camera. So the race for media player dominance is heating up.
 
 
Triplets
21:35 / 27.04.05
The new PSP stores (and plays) mp3s, mpeg-4 videos, games, and document files. You can get up to gig sized memory cards for it too.
 
 
sleazenation
21:48 / 27.04.05
If half-life-2 has been a problem for haus i dread to think what a PSP would do to him...
 
 
netbanshee
22:52 / 27.04.05
I think that the price-point is the real clincher for you here.

$300-$400 can get you just about anything... an iPod, Archos, PSP, etc. media player w/ gobs of storage (mind your backups) or a video breakout box and an external 7200rpm drive for storage. It's up to you how efficient, hard-core or sexy you want to go.

An analog-digital A/V bridge from the likes of Elgato or Formac is one way to go. Your new iBook will hook up to this set-up easily and import all of the vid you have. Note: I'd research to see (obviously) what inputs and outputs are available here since I'm really only familiar with NTSC set-ups and availability. It will play a part for you.

iPods are great for storage once you have it in a digital format and have all the trappings that you're already aware of.

I haven't played around with any of the released Archos players and I'm not so sure of their tech support and quality. I'd also look at what kind of files you end up with after importing them and the quality that they display in. It would suck to have it be in a low-quality format that yo once again get stuck with. I learned a bit about the AV400 (not even sure if it was released) since I was working on some interactive ads and materials for it. If the demo unit gives any feel for the product though, it seemed a bit flimsy and unintuitive.

The PSP is a hell of a machine, but after the initial cost, you'll have to spring for Sony's overpriced memory media. No less than 1gb. It also, like the iPod, won't complete the conversion for you.

So... what's the budget and what's more important, the digital file or the presentation?
 
 
■
07:11 / 28.04.05
I would recommend making sure whatever you get (I'm no expert, cheap and nasty is fine for me) has the capability to play .ogg files, as these are so much smaller and better quality than mp3s. OK, there's not much support for them , but it's nice to give them recognition, and it won't cost you any more.
Subscribe your RSS reader to Gizmodo for updates on what's worth having. At least ten new players every day, somehow.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:24 / 28.04.05
$300-$400 can get you just about anything...

Oh, my adorable American friend. You have so much to learn about the world...

Not sure about budget - I don't think I really have a sense of what I would consider too much. However, fridgemagnet has provided me with sage advice elsewhere, to the effect that getting a PMP simply for encoding video and music would leave me at the end tof the day with summat that is neither fish nor fowl - a very bulky music player that had a capacity (video on the move) that I really didn't need. Especially since I'll be taking my iBook on anything resembling a long journey. So, best option might be getting an iPod/shuffle/mini (as yet undecided) for short hops and have the iBook on hand for larger journeys, and get an independent solution for transferring analogue video onto an external HDD...
 
 
netbanshee
00:37 / 29.04.05
The shuffle is definitely nice and well priced for what you get. I've been eyeing one since work's just too close to justify needing more than one or two tracks to listen to (or $299 and up when we get onto the big brothers). Having 1gb of storage that small in your pocket has lots of uses.

I would recommend going to sites like Accelerate your Mac to see how those video converters have been treating their owners. If you've never been there before, you'll find a great resource built upon the experiences (some not so good) of your fellow consumers.
 
 
The Strobe
06:13 / 29.04.05
As for under-TV media player, possibly worth considering: chipped XBox with vast hard disk.

It hooks into your LAN, plays DivXs, music, emulators (MAME runs on it), as well as normal XBox games, and some even have been bodged to take a USB port so you can plug in a keyboard and mouse to run linux on them. Only thing it won't do will be go on Live.

Going rate is about £200 for a 120gb one. An idea, anyhow. Other than that: secondhand Tivo (hard to find in the UK but they exist), MythTV box.

Portable-wise, I wouldn't go for anything other than an iPod; you might find a Shuffle fits your needs, if not, the cheapest normal iPod (20gb or whatever) would be nifty.
 
 
grant
18:05 / 29.04.05
Ah -- here's what I was talking about.

It's the Nokia N91. (Doesn't wembley work for them, or was that a one-off contract thing?) It's got competitors coming up, too.

Like the basic iPod Mini, Nokia's new phone incorporates a diminutive 4-gigabyte hard disc drive capable of storing at least 3000 music tracks. By comparison the first Walkman phone - the W800, also to be released later in 2005 - will store about 150 tracks on a 0.5 gigabyte flash-memory card.

"But users can buy their own 2 gigabyte memory cards and store almost 1000 songs," says a Sony-Ericsson spokesman. "And remember this is only the first Walkman phone, we will be launching more with greater storage."





A "PC Pro UK" review is here.

If you want a media player that calls friends and takes pictures too.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:33 / 25.05.05
Right. iPod or iPod Photo? iPod or iPod photo?

CHOOSE NOW!
 
 
Grey Area
11:38 / 25.05.05
iPod. Why pay more for a colour screen? What's the point of looking at your hi-res digital camera pictures on a screen the size of a condom wrapper? And yes, I know you can hook it up to a computer to view the files on the larger monitor, but the non-colour version does that too.
 
 
w1rebaby
11:55 / 25.05.05
iPod photo. More disc space, longer battery life and a better screen. The photo thing is a bit irrelevant.

(Hmm - they seem to have removed the size choices for normal iPods, they're all 20gig now.)
 
 
netbanshee
22:02 / 25.05.05
Any idea how long the 4th generation has been out? I have a sneaking suspicion that some sort of addition to the line-up or 5th gen should be turning the corner soon. WWDC is coming this June.

There's been renewed talk of a tablet-mac since the tech for such devices is becoming more usable and realistic (check out the new Nokia media player at engadget.com to look at a possible emerging platform). Maybe some of the rumblings point to this affecting the iPod line. Who knows though?

In terms of the question you posed, if 20gb is enough then I'd go with that one. If you crave more capacity though, the iPod photo comes with all of the other nice options.
 
 
Triplets
23:45 / 25.05.05
What's the point of looking at your hi-res digital camera pictures on a screen the size of a condom wrapper? And yes, I know you can hook it up to a computer to view the files on the larger monitor, but

So, essentially: paying 180gil for a pointless middleman?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:01 / 26.05.05
Well, alea iacta est. 40GB iPod, 4th Gen - I didn't even know they still made those. Must have been just pre-iPod photo.. anyway, that and and a voice recorder. Was pondering an iTrip, but since I don't drive I'm not sure what it would achieve.
 
  
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