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Tezcatlipoca
16:42 / 27.04.05
Despite its uninspired, mindless name, demand for this little gadget has been exceeding supply since they first became available.

I for one loathe pub TVs, but am not entirely convinced that that dislike gives me the right to dominion over a set which exists in a public bar...
...that and my distinct aversion to getting pummelled by a gang of beered-up football fans after depriving them of their match.

But where do you stand on the ethics of the device? Righteous sword of the TV-hating civilian, or annoying gizmo of the self-righteous arsehole?
 
 
Tom Morris
17:59 / 27.04.05
Property rights, in my humble opinion, trump the right not to be annoyed when out and about. That said, if I was in a restaurant or bar and suddenly the TV flicked off and I saw someone fiddling with something on a keychain, I wouldn't get too stressed about it.
 
 
skolld
20:05 / 27.04.05
there's definitely some self-rightousness to it. but i can't say it wouldn't be entertaining.
TV turn off week is problematic for the reasons you suggest. it's one thing to run around turning off TVs but quite another to offer alternatives to watching TV, the latter i think is the nobler effort but again, the entertaiment value can't be overlooked. i for one enjoy a little chaos and think people need be pissed off every now and then,
 
 
sleazenation
20:21 / 27.04.05
Correct me if I'm wrong but the gadget is a glorified universal remote control right? and like most remote controls it operates using infrared signals - i.e. the controller has to be on a line of sight with the TV's remote reciever which would mean our would-be anti-TV Guerilla would have to be either in the room with the TV or standing at the window...

Outside of that, all you have to do to circumvent this is to hide the remote controll reciever from public view...
 
 
Tom Morris
21:06 / 27.04.05
Someone suggested that IR signals are detectable using digital and phone cameras.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
23:57 / 27.04.05
Also, it can turn them on. Imagine the fun to be had turning it on and off at random intervals...
 
 
sleazenation
00:19 / 28.04.05
Or terrorizing individuals who are out my sneaking up to their windows and turning on all their remote controlled products that are on stand-by... Although according to some recent claims a TV that is actively on might not be using that much less electricity on stand-by than t does during active operation...
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:08 / 28.04.05
Extremely self-rightous, and probably be used in as annoying a manner as laser pointers.

There are plenty of places that offer a non-television environment.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:29 / 28.04.05
In reality, I'm probably with Benny The Ball. Part of me absolutely adores the idea in concept, though. I fucking hate telly that's always on.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:49 / 28.04.05
To be honest I don't mind TV in public places much, now mobile phones on the other hand...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:06 / 28.04.05
I can picture hours of fun with this thing in the pubs round here during the next major footie tournament, and I don't know if I can honestly say I'd be all that interested in the morality of my actions - 'And it's Rooney on the ball, it's Wayne Rooney, and... oh my god I've never seen anything like this, the crowd is going wild this unbelievable, he shoots, he...'

*click.*
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
14:33 / 29.04.05
Alex - I predict a riot.

Our Lady wrote: To be honest I don't mind TV in public places much, now mobile phones on the other hand...

How about one of these Cell/Mobile phone jammers?
 
 
alejandrodelloco
18:06 / 30.04.05
*Actually*, I think cellphone jammers are of dubious legality in the states...

Also, check this. It should get you out of that pub alive.
 
 
matsya
04:38 / 04.05.05
I was just thinking about mobile phone jamming today as I was wandering around the CBD at lunch. I was grumpy. I tend to hate phones more when I'm grumpy. But I was thinking about the prankstery selfrighteous (self frigheous?) fun to be had by carrying one around with you and watching their expressions as they try to get their phones to work.

A great way to make people hate you AND get testicular cancer at the same time.

m.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
08:32 / 04.05.05
Mobile jammer things are of complete illegallity in the UK. AFAIR.

It's illegal like the iTrip in that offcom/the rca themselves have property rights over the bandwidth which they auction/lease.
 
 
matsya
00:10 / 05.05.05
tell me about this iTrip. I'm gonna google it, but informed 'litherspeak is always preferable.

m.
 
 
matsya
00:26 / 05.05.05
Ah. those things. So you're not allowed to use them in the UK? What kind of range do they have?

m.
 
 
Smoothly
00:53 / 05.05.05
Yeah, as far as I know they're still illegal in the UK (they contravene the Wireless Telegraphy Act of 1949, apparently) and Ofcom (the UK telecommunications regulator) maintain that using one makes you a pirate radio station. However, I've seen them in the shops on Tottenham Court Road, since Ofcom's line is "If you've tuned it into your neighbours' Radio 4, and they ring up and complain, we could well turn up at your door and say 'please stop doing that'," but the theoretical maximum penalty of two years in prison or a large fine was "unlikely to happen". Doesn't sound like anybody needs to worry.

As for TV Be Gone, grrrrrrrr. I've avoided this thread because the whole Turn Off TV crusade really pisses me off.
I've argued elsewhere why I think people who decry television are reactionary cultural vandals; but hey, if someone thinks we'd be better off without TV, the internet, video games, rock music, comic books, whatever... that's up to them. I disagree, but I can't imagine they care.
However, inventing a device to turn off other people's TVs - and being so fucking self-congratulatory about it - it's just loathsome. Makes me want to go round to Mitch Alman's house and piss on his books. I'd find that pretty amusing, to be honest. It can be terribly funny being a massive cunt.
 
 
matsya
03:18 / 05.05.05
well, yeah, it's just rude, innit?

I love the little anigif on the web site - Oooh bad tv, good book. Question: why is she sitting right in front of a telly reading a book anyway?

It's like she's imparting the knowledge that it's easier to read when the television's off. well, duh. Or if she's out somewhere, like a pub, and the telly's on, wouldn't it be easier to move to another room in the pub, or go home and read?

meh.

m.
 
 
Liger Null
23:38 / 07.05.05
It seems to me that a much more useful device would be one that changes channels. To often have I been in a public place where there was some boring crap on TV and nobody was even watching it...
 
 
Captain Zoom
22:39 / 09.05.05
I play at a folk club every other week and at the back of the room is a big screen tv that shows various sporting events. The sound is generally turned down, but the thing's still on while I'm on stage. It really irks me. So I'd love to have a relatively surreptitious way of turning it off.
 
 
Smoothly
01:01 / 10.05.05
How about sidling up to the bar and saying, "Excuse me [insert name of member of staff], would it be okay to turn off the TV while I'm performing? No one seems to be watching and I find it a bit distracting."

There. I saved you $14.99.
 
 
Captain Zoom
01:22 / 10.05.05
Genius! You know we musicians. Oozing sex appeal, but dumb as a sack of hammers.
 
 
Offset Carrier
02:36 / 23.05.05
I bought one of these for my TV-hating friend, having first heard about it in this thread. It's quite plasticy and a bit big but it does the job. Mission one to the local pub was considered a failure when despite successfully switching off the big TV corner, the device simultaneously turned ON another one we hadn't noticed. Conclusion: all televisions in area must be in same on/off state for satisfactory results. Mission two was to the giant Currys out of town and resulted in being thrown out of the store trying not to wet ourselves having caused a hugely dramatic cascade of switchings-off across a fifty foot wall of shiny new TVs.

Piss-taking aside, I would love to lean towards the school of thought which would rather ask the barstaff politely to turn off the television pumping out rubbish that no-one's watching, but most of the time I try this I'm told that it's "policy" to keep it on. These people need defending from themselves. Am hoping the TV-B-Gone people will soon market a version which replaces the output of all nearby televisions with Open University programmes from the 1970s. At least people might learn something rather than moronically reaching for their phones the instant they're left alone in a bar for two minutes.
 
 
cfm
21:31 / 31.05.05
Part of what complicates this, of course, is a seeming cultural phenomenon that entertainment must permeate every crevice of our short little existences. I don't know whether this is likely to veer off topic to the point where my first post shall result in my lynching; if so, I offer my profuse aplogies and beg some form of relative mercy.

Living in America, I'm inclined to believe that this is a largely American phenomenon, but given some of the responses here it seems that I'm happily—or sadly—mistaken. I have two main objections to the television-as-constant-presence issue:

One. Must we always be entertained? I don't think it's either radical or conservative to believe that entertainment is not something that should be constant. If it is, I would think that it fairly rapidly ceases to be as entertaining. No, I'm not advocating that we live our lives in a perpetual state of sheer boredom, but there are other things you can do.

Two. Must we spend our lives gaping passively at a sheet of lights? One of the reasons why I reserve television for the important things (electoral debates, world crises, et cetera) is that I find television to be a remarkably unappealing medium. You stare at it, you listen to it, and maybe contemplate briefly what you are starting at and listening to. The same, you argue, could be said of books, but with books you are necessarily more involved in the progression of the narrative. Computers, too, are interactive and thus require that you have a spark of electrical current above three volts in your cranium.

For me, at least, these faults are only compounded in a public setting. Still, I think that the very nature of a public place demands a certain amount of respect from those enjoying it, if only to allow others to do the same. In this regard I think that TV-B-Gone–like devices is unethical in all but the most extreme circumstances. Like our leaders in the Senate, I don't want to define what “extreme circumstances”, because doing so will almost certainly cheapen their currency.
 
 
Smoothly
08:39 / 02.06.05
I don't know whether this is likely to veer off topic to the point where my first post shall result in my lynching; if so, I offer my profuse aplogies and beg some form of relative mercy.

I don’t think that is far off-topic; but if you still want to veer, it’d be cool if you steered in this direction. Your thoughts on passivity and why TV is necessarily less involving than print sound interesting and would be bang on topic there.
 
 
cfm
09:56 / 02.06.05
Thanks for the link. I've read some of that thread, but not all; I may veer off further in that direction this afternoon.
 
  
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