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Conjuring spirits, demons, ect.

 
 
The One Eyed King
09:14 / 19.09.01
Huff. I do see that there are encounters with spirits. I don't however see how we can conjure them. Same goes for the Demons. After death do we become weak willed and slaves for the living that can perform such 'spells'? Are demons also thier slaves aswell?
 
 
SMS
09:14 / 19.09.01
Don't go around treating spirits and demons as your slaves. They're not. Be nice.

Also consider this. You drive down to s specialty shop to get something you've been trying to find for years. Then you realize your in the neighbourhood of an old buddy with whom you haven't spoken in some considerable time. You decide to drop by. You knock on the door and discover that he just finished a magical ritual to bring you there. Were you his puppet?
 
 
Stephen
09:14 / 19.09.01
quote: I do see that there are encounters with spirits. I don't however see how we can conjure them. Same goes for the Demons.

If you open the forbidden grimoire known as the phone book and perform the weird dialing gestures that are said to activate the mysterious telephone, in an effort to contact someone you might like to communicate with. They may conceivably pick up the phone and respond to you. What makes you think that spirits and demons don't like a phone call every once and awhile.
 
 
Suffocate
22:54 / 19.09.01
Dare I expand this thread by focusing on the latter part of the question:

"...After death do we become weak willed and slaves for the living..."

I guess that depends on what you believe happens after you die.

Anyone care to tackle this unending argument?
 
 
Dr. Vital
01:20 / 20.09.01
"...After death do we become weak willed and slaves for the living..."

I guess that depends on what you believe happens after you die.

Anyone care to tackle this unending argument?


My father has told me his theory that the Pyramids were built by Egyptian preists who were capable of manipulating the cast off energy of the dead.

Essentially these beings are "echoes" of our own egos (consciousness), that continue on after the spirit has left the body.

Now that the techniques for manipulating these non-beings have been lost, these unspiritual "spirits" may also attempt to use the energy of the living to try and continue their own life. They use our own fears and sub-conscious energies to appear as "aliens", or ghosts as they attempt to feed on us.

Not sure if I agree with dad on every point, but it's an interesting belief system to play with.
 
 
Kobol Strom
17:43 / 21.09.01
I think its always necessary to do something to get the attention of spirits,and when you mention 'echoes of our own egos',I think you hit on the best tactic,and that is to send your 'signal' at the same level as the person you wish to contact.A vocal signal may be inappropriate,and heres why I think this:When I'm Out of Body,I'm often aware of sounds that become instantly muted upon gaining normal InBody consciousness,so reasonng from this,just calling out your will is not going to work too well.I think stating your intention in your mind before calling out is,for a spirit,not the level that they can 'hear' you on.Sometimes,they are not close enough to you to get your message.So,repetition of your intent may improve your chances of being heard,create a symbol and they might see it,build a machine and they might wonder what you're up to and investigate,-but the best way to get their attention is to get onto their wavelength, which means clearing your head of all the garbage and just concentrate on being 'the echo of our egos',then their signals(and others)will filter through the static.I think spirits recognise when we are genuine about our requests for communication.And when we are in the right state of mind,a new level of communication becomes possible.

Its like encountering a new species,but in finding them,we find we cannot relate to their habitat without actually becoming one of them.Its like they are so alien that you're control of you're state of mind acts like the 'airlock',and they're waiting on the other side,ready to laugh at your ridiculous attempts at formality.I think this is why Native Americans would adopt the dress and demeanour of the spirits they wished to contact,or wished to have at their side in a particular aspect.Its another way to bring you closer to their realm,which is like ours in a certain shape,but everything seems bigger and more detailed,-like a new continent.
Without trying to sound like the Travel Show,:If you want to find out more about spirits,then the best person to ask is the spirits themselves.Sounds crazy,but a lot of people wouldn't dream of trying it.I was given the advice on Barbelith recently to ask the Spirit of Wolf for what his message was,and the response I got was that an animal spirit came to visit me and licked my face.Now,that might seem nuts,but actually makes perfect sense when I consider that there are multiple meanings in that answer.Firstly,a way of saying 'thanks',and secondly,a way of recognising the nature that I ally myself with,The Wolf.But this manifestation is but one aspect of spirits that can assume any of a number of forms,I suppose.

Its possible to communicate in any number of ways:
In a waking dream (Try to speak with the voice of your mind).
In the middle of sleep paralysis,try to control fear,in order to formulate in your mind,a question to your surroundings,(which may be a call to the spirits).If they are around,you'll see them.
Through ritual.This is your telephone call analogy,I think.
Many other direct techniques which are all kinds of ritual:meditation,astal projection and more.The trick is to appreciate that your interaction with spirits is going to develop gradually,you should probably expect from the initial willingness to reach out-however much the spirits feel you can cope with at that time.I hope I haven't spelled out to many 'rules',because naturally,none really exist.Or if I've preached to the converted in an inappropriate way,then sorry.I get a bit paranoid with a da biigga posts.
 
  
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