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Is This Offensive?

 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:10 / 27.02.02
www.free6.com

a barbeperson has this as hir homepage. casual sexism? anarchy in action? whaddya think?
 
 
sleazenation
12:12 / 27.02.02
err a bit of a warning, you might not want to click that link at work...
 
 
w1rebaby
12:21 / 27.02.02
er, thanks

in-depth discussion might have to wait a bit then
 
 
noone
12:24 / 27.02.02
haha - in the style of Mary Whitehouse I'll just have to go have a good look around before i decide it should be banned.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:27 / 27.02.02
Wish I had noticed the warning before opening the link. There was me thinking I was being clever by not reading responses before checking the link.

I really can't comment because I only saw the page for a few seconds and have no non work access. Seems a potentially offensive but then, what isn't?
 
 
gozer the destructor
12:32 / 27.02.02
my comment is this, as i sent privately, anarchy to me is about freedom-whether it is to do/think/say what you like-i did not say i was an anarchist, my profile says i am interested in anarchist politics, as i am, and if you wish to criticise me for my choice of homepage then-fair enough-my comment privately was that i personally thought it tasteless to make an issue of this on a page about spike milligans death, i have no quarms about people arguing this outside of that, please do. i will be interested in your opinions as someone who wishes to improve myself spiritually/mentally etc BUT i will not be controlled by what other people think is 'how i should think'.



if you are offended, that is not my intention
 
 
Sauron
12:38 / 27.02.02
It's not offensive, it's just shit.
 
 
Bear
12:39 / 27.02.02
Anyone want to tell me what the hell the page is about, the link is like a big red button with do not touch written above it
 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:40 / 27.02.02
i'm not so much offended as just completely and utterly sick and tired of women being treated like pieces of meat. i read quim and other sex magazines - i'm not against sex/sex writing, but i'm continually wiping 'teen girls want YOU to fuck them!' shite from my junk mail and i did not expect a casual link to the same kind of stuff on barbelith.
 
 
gozer the destructor
12:44 / 27.02.02
as i said to you privately i had forgotten that i'd put that in, in answer to your original criticism i will try to be more original in the future
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:56 / 27.02.02
[shrug] It looks like a porn site.

I know people who would be offended by it. Others who would be bored, appalled or aroused. I don't know whether it's legal, so I'm going to be a good paranoid and purge it from my system.

We could debate almost endlessly the issues of censorship, patricarchy, freedom, sexuality, pornography, and so on.

What irks me about this is that it's a product of the sex industry, which, whatever its possible positive qualities, is just as ghastly as most other industries, and tends to be less well-regulated (a jaw-dropping notion when you think about what many mainstream industries get up to). It feeds into and off organised crime, straddles the border between work and slavery, exploits, demeans and floods my mailbox with crap - which latter sin sounds tiny until you realise what it does to the internet as a whole. Lastly, it draws unwelcome attention to the freedoms of the Net, and gives reasons less contraversial than Terror for demanding V chips and all the rest.

All of which, simply, makes me question the position of putting it on your profile as your homepage. Great for scandalising the bourgeoisie, but frankly a bit old here, and not likely to do more than elicit a sigh.

Personally, I'd suggest something a bit more punchy, like a link to an Afghan 'Diary of Anne Frank'. As revolutions go, this is a bit limp.
 
 
gozer the destructor
13:02 / 27.02.02
Sure, and again fair point, but i go back to my previous point that i didn't really have any intention to 'make a statement' with it, and regarding the sex industry it's a free site with free porn.

Whilst people are reading this and no one took any notice of the message i posted previously on the subject, im trying to do a emailed fanzine called Clempt, any short stories or bits of web rubbish would be gratefully recieved, cheers.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:07 / 27.02.02
So, gozer, why did you put the link there in the first place? Is it really your home page, or just one that you think needs bringing to a wider audience?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:12 / 27.02.02
Jeez. Gozer, do I really have to explain terms like 'loss leader' and 'copyright theft' to get the point across that it's still an industry site?

[ 27-02-2002: Message edited by: Nick ]
 
 
gozer the destructor
13:18 / 27.02.02
yes
 
 
Sauron
13:24 / 27.02.02
Is this thread going anywhere? Basically Gozer is putting togather a webzine called Clempt (see above post). I think that is what he wanted to tell us.

We could continue debating the pros and cons of the sex industry, or perhaps we should narrow the debate and ask Is there a god? Or something.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:30 / 27.02.02
Which is exactly why I wouldn't have put the damn thing there in the first place. After that, some form of this dialogue was inevitable.

Gozer, a 'loss leader' is service or product you put out at low or no cost to draw people to your business, so that they then get hooked and you make the money back over time as they reuse your service. Three month magazine subscriptions, free trials, free books from books clubs, pro bono work, and samples of herion all come into this category. Most 'free' porn sites are loss leaders.

The others are almost all copyright thefts of one kind or another, which owe their existence and content to the industry, but have no direct formal relationship with it. They are permitted to exist because it's cheaper than chasing them down and as long as they're behind the curve they're good advertising. Parasitic or symbiotic, depending on the specifics.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:40 / 27.02.02
Ah, yes, I forgot for a moment that free speech = teenage girls eating cum. Silly old me, eh?
 
 
gozer the destructor
13:41 / 27.02.02
thanks nick, i am bit wiser know, thanks sauron, you crack me up every time man.
 
  
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