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Michael Gira

 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:15 / 25.04.05
I can't help but notice that there's been some Swans-lovin' going down on the old 'lith in various places (largely the Squalid Music thread), so...

Other than seeing "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on The Chart Show (and ranting, with the authority only a 15-year-old is capable of, that it didn't MATTER how good it was, it was Joy Division, dammit, and you don't fuck with Joy Division, or you may as well actually BE Paul Young... an opinion I've thankfully largely grown out of) my first exposure to Swans was through the recommendation of my older sister's boyfriend (who to my teenaged self was something of a musical guru, having ACTUALLY SEEN loads of the legendary bands I could only listen to on the Peel show), who advised me to buy their latest album ("The Burning World"), and work backwards until I reached a point where they became unlistenable. So I bought "The Burning World", and worked backwards, and never found them unlistenable. From TBW's "Venus In Furs"-esque melodic decadence, back through the righteous fury of "Children Of God", the choral sludge of "Greed" and "Holy Money", the inexorable brutality of "Cop", all the way back to the lo-fi industrialism of the "Speak" EP... I loved it all. Obsessively.

Then I checked out the "Skin"/"World Of Skin" stuff...

...then came The Angels Of Light. Up until that point, "New Mind" had always been one of my Desert Island Discs, were I ever to become famous. Then I heard AOL's "New Mother", and the track "Angels Of Light" grabbed me by the balls, ripped them off and dragged them up and down my spine. The most beautiful arrangement... building from a single acoustic guitar chord, through strings, bells, all manner of stuff... it's magical. Then it stops. And only then do you realise the song hasn't even started yet. All that majesty, that wonderful music, was just by way of an intro. And it builds again, but with different instruments. And this time it's the song. And it's absolutely glorious.

I'm posting this while listening to AOL's album "How I Loved You" for the first time in a few months, and it's hard to imagine something further from, say, "Raping A Slave". But even at their most beautiful, the Angels... still have that relentlessness, that remorselessness that characterised all the Swans stuff.

Then I read the ace interview with Mr Gira in Terrorizer today, in which he claims his goal all along with his music has been to make people happy... I have to say, it's often worked in my case, but it's really not what you'd expect...

And apparently there's a new Angels album! That does make me happy. Very happy indeed.

So...

get with the Gira lovin'/hatin'. Here's yr starter.
 
 
Chiropteran
17:56 / 25.04.05
[How do I type in a very, very deep voice? All in bold? Can we just take the deepness as read?]

I don't have much by Swans, and I don't listen to it often, but Love of Life comes out every October-through-November and makes the season for me.

Body to Body also gets a spin now and then, but back in college it got some heavy play during a few brief, intense periods of emotional strain. I have a harshly-lit, almost hallucinatory memory of walking through a late-night grocery store while listening to BtB for the first time, on my walkman. A very cleansing, and chastening, experience. I don't think I actually bought the food I had gone out for.

As Stoatie notes, it's the relentlessness of the music that's just so... it's just relentless.

I wish I had more to say about Swans at the moment, but I'm just not in the place for it. Take that, if you will, as a testament to the impact of Swans.
 
 
Locust No longer
21:49 / 25.04.05
I just saw him play with the Akron/Family and was impressed. His voice is even more dark and oaken live than on record. I think some of his gothy schtick -- "This song is about fucking a girl in the bathroom of CBGB's"-- is a bit tired. But what the hell, that's what most of his fans expect to come from him. I think it just looks kind of sad coming from this man who looks like such a kindly old guy. Someone yelled, "we love you, Michael," and he groaned and said, "It's against my nature to be loved," or something like that. It was kind of funny. Akron/Family were great, as well.
 
 
feathered_up
03:30 / 29.04.05
I very truly love this band, and this man. I find listening to Michael Gira's various projects (as well as Jarboe's) are pretty universally moving experiences. I think the Angels of Light are magnificent, but Swans have truly magical and terrifying quality to them that is unparalleled.

I have a tough time thinking of a more brutal band than Swans. You can pull the Napalm Death or Meshuggah card if you want, but I stand by that statement. There is a really hypnotic quality to the music, even in the early analog industrial stages that adds an extra dimension to the brutality. Part of it is due to the droney quality of their music, perhaps the most recognizable and influential characteristic in my mind, there is just a feeling of being swept up and overwhelmed and overloaded by the music. I was too young to ever see Swans when they were around, but an older friend of mine tells me that Swans shows were often quite literally mind controlling; the crowd would be mesmerized by the continuous droning parts, and when the music swept up into a fury, the audience would just errupt into violence. He told me that he had to leave early from the show on the last "Soundtracks for the Blind" tour because he would zone out and come to in the middle of a fist fight.

The Angels of Light are pretty amazing too; one thing that impresses me is Gira's ability to continue to write unbelievably brutal songs in the guise of quiet folk songs. I think "Everything is Good Here/Please Come Home" is the best example of this...both "The Family God" and "What You Were" are songs I find to be incredibly harsh despite their relatively calm exteriors.

Personally, my favorite records are "The Great Annihilator" and "White Light From the Mouth of Infinity" because they feel so...thick.

I have written a whole lot and said very little so I will stop. I love this artist so much that it is hard for me to even know where to begin to talk about him.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:26 / 29.04.05
I think you did a pretty good job there, feathered up!

The same boyfriend of my sister who introduced me to Swans was at the London gig on the "Feel Good Now" live album... from what he told me, it sounds like it was one of the most brutal gigs ever. Bleeding eardrums, that sort of thing... all I know is that the version of "Children Of God" on the live album is one of the greatest things I've ever experienced- as well as the crunchy guitar and looped Jarboe vocals, you've got Gira shouting the lyrics over the top ("WE ARE PRECIOUS! WE ARE PERFECT! WE ARE... CHILDREN OF GOD!!!"). It's very... very Waco. It's ace. If only the studio version had had him on vocals as well, it would be fucking incredible.
 
 
m
17:16 / 29.04.05
Those first three Swans records are some of the most ridiculously heavy and frightening LPs ever made! I love how much existential dread Gira is able to wring out of such banal things like dead-end jobs. I mean, why sing songs about the Devil, when just the thought of going to a crushingly dull job for the rest of your life is so much more terrifying?
"Open your mouth, here's your money" intoned like a hundred times over that mechanical 1-2 beat is so much scarier than anything any death metal band ever screamed their heads off about(not to dog on death metal, mind you).
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:38 / 29.04.05
I'm quite into the idea of having 'Failure' from 'White Light From The Mouth Of Infinity' played at my funeral.

It will hopefully seem ironic...
 
 
--
03:14 / 30.04.05
I haven't heard any of Gira's solo stuff but I do have most of The Swans albums. I haven't heard the later period ones that much so I'll have to listen to them more one day, but I'm quite familiar with most of the early albums up to "Children of God" (probably my favorite Swans album). "In My Garden", while not sung by Gira, was quite pretty, but I really enjoyed "Like a Drug" and "Beautiful Child" off that particular album (Gira really sounds pissed off in that latter one). "Filth" is a bit too sludgy for me and kind of... monotony. "Cop" is much better, "Half Life" has one of the best, most crushing guitar riffs of all time,but "Greed" and "Holy Money" are even better albums, "Time is Money (Bastard)" being another favorite.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:25 / 11.05.05
Just bought the new Angels Of Light, "...Sing Other People".

I'm listening to it now. It's ace. Totally drumless... very chilled musically so far, but still relentless (I'm overusing this word, I know, but for me it's what makes Gira's stuff)... his delivery seems to slip into strangely Lou Reed-like territory at points, but it seems to work. More when I've given it a few more plays, but for now, it's doing all those cool Angels Of Light things, being beautiful, joyful and relentlessly monolithic all at the same time. If the World Serpent crowd hadn't already monopolised the tag "apocalyptic folk", the Angels'd have it. (Actually, come to think of it, there are more similarities between the Angels and Current 93 than had previously occurred to me... I must muse on this for a while...)

In short, it's ace. As I say, the huge rant will come later, once it's fully wormed its way into my head and wrapped itself round my brainstem...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:17 / 12.05.05
And they're playing London (ULU) on the 26th. Probably not worth starting a Gathering thread for, but if anyone else is going, PM me.
 
 
Totem Polish
21:26 / 15.05.05
Don't know how everyone here feels about the later Swans stuff, but Im quite in love with Soundtracks for the Blind. It's probably the moment when on Helpless Child does a Lovin' Spoonful Summer In the City type vibraphone breakdown and trips out into almost Godspeed territory. Almost liked the man making his rightful claim on the contemporary post-rock scene. Like all Swans, makes total sense very loud.
 
 
mistress_swank
10:09 / 19.05.05
I once spun the Swans' "Volcano" at a goth night and cleared the floor in record time!

Anyway. . .I saw MG & AOL a few years back (phenomenal gig). My now-ex-husband wanted his CD autographed, so we said hello to Gira. Somehow the conversation moved to Gira's apparel (he was wearing a vintage, musty suit and hat), and I said, "I like your suit. It's haute couture for a 1920's serial killer on top form. . .fascinating. Your show was riveting. You scare me." The last bit was the confidently-enunciated part of the monologue.

"I scare you?" Gira queried, looking up from his autographing. "But I like cute fluffy puppies!"

"To eat?"

In retrospect, the exchange was hysterical (and probably just one of many stock responses Gira had to such statements). At the time, however, I was the single human vessel of all the heebie-jeebies in the world; totally squicked!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:13 / 26.05.05
Just found the Terrorizer interview (I'm off to the gig in a couple of hours, so I'm just getting in the mood...)

I am a very positive person. My goal is to make people feel good. I really mean this... my intent with the music was always to achieve a sense of elation.

And my favourite bit...

I am incapable of making music to fit a particular need. My talent does not, unfortunately, reach that far. However, I have to say, that I would be delighted if my songs could be sung by a drunken man pissing in a pub's toilet. That would be the ultimate achievement of my career.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:20 / 26.05.05
The. Best. Gig. In. Fucking. Ages. More later.
 
 
juan de marcos
22:43 / 29.05.05
Saw them Saturday 28. Not as good as the last time I saw AoL but still excellent. Last song was the Swans outtake 'Blind', played unplugged. Pretty astonishing!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:20 / 30.05.05
'I would be delighted if my songs could be sung by a drunken man pissing in a pub's toilet. That would be the ultimate achievement of my career.'

If I met Michael Gira, I wouldn't tell him, in case he stopped making records, but the number of times that's happened...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:42 / 30.05.05
You and me both mate!

Yeah, they finished with Blind on Thursday too... Michael's White Hsnds was absolutely terrifying... first time I've ever seen Gira live, and he totally seemed to straddle the line between amiable and REALLY FUCKING SCARY. (plug- should be a review up on Freq soon- I'll link when it's online).

BIG music, in every sense. Oh yes, and, of course, relentless. Ace, basically.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
15:46 / 01.06.05
Where's yer review, where's yer review????

Mine's on my livejournal...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:54 / 01.06.05
Me review's here.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:53 / 20.09.05
Just picked up (which I didn't even know existed) "What We Did" by Gira and Dan Matz from Windsor For The Derby. An initial listen sounds GOOD. More Matz than Gira on the vocals, but it sounds a lot like the nicer parts of the first couple of Angels albums. Not so much like Windsor For The Derby, though (although I've only ever heard them once- bought an album, listened to it once, then had my bag of CDs stolen).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:19 / 22.09.05
Also just got given the new Akron/Family/ Angels Of Light split album to review. Life is GOOD.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:48 / 07.11.05
Album review's here.

Strangely, on the split Akron/Family and Angels album, there's a "nice" version of Swans' "Mother/Father". I just came back from watching Jarboe at the Scala... she played a version that was, if anything, SCARIER than the original.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:21 / 26.10.06
w0000000000000000t!!!!!

Thanks to the joys of Bittorrent, I now have White Light From The Mouth Of Infinity again!

(and it's not really stealing, since I own it on vinyl- in a box set, no less!!!, but my record deck's rubbish, and my crappy speakers make it sound all tiny, which is SO not-Swans).

Now I just have to get Love of Life again, and I'm the happiest miserablist there ever was.
 
 
uncle retrospective
18:43 / 26.10.06
Stoat, there's very little in music better that White Light. The one two opening of Better Than You and Power and Sacrifice is almost unmatched. I should have jumped into this thread a long time ago. I never got into AOL but dear God I love Swans.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:48 / 26.10.06
Oh yes... I know that, but it's great to be back there. It's been many, many years.

Baby crying, then BRRMMMM BRRRMMMMM with lots of spangly.... then THE VOICE... "I'm so glad I'm better than you..."

It's like returning to the scary, scary womb.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:49 / 26.10.06
And GET INTO ANGELS OF LIGHT.

DO IT.

DO IT NOW.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:51 / 24.02.07
Listening to the new, Oasis-influenced, Take That album at the moment, I can't help but feel that Mike and the guys should reform, in order to give these songs the treatment that they all so very richly deserve.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:39 / 27.10.07
BY FUCKING CRIKEY, he was good tonight. Details must be saved until after I've reviewed it, or Django will actually kill me (with actual killing and everything)... but fuck, that was great. Started and ended with my two favourite songs of his- "God Damn The Sun" and "Blind" respectively...

...but...

...but...

I met him after to get him to sign a CD.

...and...

...and...

I'd had a couple of beers and I, well, I called him "dude". He didn't seem bothered, but I was FUCKING MORTIFIED.

Ah well. Such is life.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:15 / 27.05.08
It's always difficult, meeting one's heroes.

I'm listening to 'Children Of God' at the moment, and it's so much more interesting than 'Electric Ladyland'

Did you, when you met him, at least hint at the idea that Michael was well weapon?
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
23:00 / 27.05.08
Of course he is. In the flesh, M Gira is so obviously more than that - he's like yer uncle, working for the CIA.
 
  
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