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Does anyone know how the nazi scientists were treated in USA?

 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:53 / 24.04.05
I was watching the History channel, and they were talking about how the Americans quickly took all the top nazi scientists (not the human experiment guys, but the airplane and missle guys) to the USA before the Russians could get them. Then they said they brought them to an army base to help work on weapons and planes and stuff. They never mentioned if these guys were taken against their will, if they were prisoners of war working in the USA, if they just kind of became American citizens working here or anything like that. They showed a picture of the smiling nazi scientists, but I don't know if this picture was during the war or after.
 
 
sleazenation
13:15 / 24.04.05
Generally, Nazi scientists were only too pleased to be taken in by the Americans to continue their researches and maintain their comfortable lives... The Russians were likely to have treated them far more harshly (just look at how they treated Korolev, the father of their entire space programme) and the British couldn't afford to support the research or the scientists themselves in the manner in which they had become accustomed...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:29 / 24.04.05
Were they treated well? Were they kept under lock and key, or were they allowed to live off base with their families?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:33 / 24.04.05
Werner Von Braun was the head honcho of America's moon landings, and he was one of the nazi scientists I think.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
16:08 / 24.04.05
We also took lots of propoganda officers. A number of them worked for Richard Nixon, though of course I can't remember their names because I am miseducated.
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:15 / 24.04.05

Wernher Freiherr von Braun was technical director at the Heeresversuchsanstalt Peenemünde 1937 - 1945, where he was responsible for the development of the rocket A 4, which was the predecessor of the V 2. He later said, he was horrified, that the rocket was used as a weapon, because he wanted it to "open the gates to other worlds", but he got the money for the rocket from the military. And the military had specific goals for that rocket: to fly 300 km and have explosive power of 1t. About 10.000 prisoners of the concentration camp Dorau-Mittelbau died during their work building those rockets. Which means, that it was possibly the only weapon ever, where more people died building it, than getting killed by it.

Von Braun was a member of the NSDAP and Sturmbannführer in the SS.

12. May 1945 he and some of his colleagues gave themselves up to the U.S. Army, and the U.S. took them to the states (Operation Overcast).

BTW, the U.S. not only took scientists, they hired members of the Nazi secret service, and those people helped built the OSS, which later transformed into the CIA.

In the U.S. von Braun worked for the Redstone Rocket Program. He got the U.S. citizenship in 1955, and in 1960 - 1970 he was director of the Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama.

He was chiefly responsible for the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Projects. Because of his work concerning the development of the Apollo V rocket, he is in a great part responsible for the moon landing.
 
 
Triplets
16:54 / 24.04.05
We managed to get to Hellboy before they did too.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
16:57 / 24.04.05
We also took lots of propoganda officers. A number of them worked for Richard Nixon
Naw aw!! That's crazy. Wouldn't he be scared of headlines like "President hires ex-nazi propoganda officers!"
BTW, the U.S. not only took scientists, they hired members of the Nazi secret service, and those people helped built the OSS, which later transformed into the CIA.
Naw aw!! Ex nazis helped form the CIA? That's crazy.

Is this stuff real? If so it looks like employment was not hard to find for ex nazis.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
17:08 / 24.04.05
It is totally fer real. Look into the biographies of some Nazi notables.
 
 
diz
17:13 / 24.04.05
Were they treated well? Were they kept under lock and key, or were they allowed to live off base with their families?

they were treated exceedingly well. basically, they were treated like hero scientists in the race for space.

Naw aw!! Ex nazis helped form the CIA? That's crazy.

Is this stuff real? If so it looks like employment was not hard to find for ex nazis.


It is totally fer real. Look into the biographies of some Nazi notables.


start with the aforementioned von Braun and Reinhard Gehlen, especially the latter's relationship with the Dulles brothers.

see also Project Paperclip, and, for the more conspiracy-minded, Odessa/Die Spinne
 
 
sleazenation
17:15 / 24.04.05
According to wikipedia the german scientists were kept confined to Fort Bliss at least durting the immediate aftermath of the war - this probably changed during the 1950s when rocketry was the domain of the newly created NASA... but I don't have anything to back that up...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
17:16 / 24.04.05
I just looked up some stuff on Nazis and the CIA. Some senators want full disclosure on any ex nazis who worked with the oss/cia during the cold war, but the CIA says they don't have to reveal anything about possible ex-nazis working with them as long as those people had not been accused of war crimes.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
17:26 / 24.04.05
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

wikipedia
Whoa, that's amazing! From the wikipedia:
On arriving back at Peenemünde, von Braun immediately assembled his planning staff and asked them to decide how and to whom they should surrender. Most of the scientists were frightened of the Russians, they didn't think much of the French, and the British did not have enough money to afford a rocket program. That left the Americans. After stealing a train with forged papers, von Braun led 500 people through war-torn Germany to surrender to the Americans. The SS were issued orders to kill the German engineers, who hid their notes in a mine shaft and evaded their own army while searching for the Americans. Finally, the team found an American private and surrendered to him.
There's no movie about this? That just sounds really neat. Wow.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:33 / 24.04.05
Paperclip, IIRC, falls into the iffy category.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
18:12 / 24.04.05
Check check one two.
Gehlen=CIA.
Fo' real.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:38 / 24.04.05
That just sounds really neat.

Well, bar the fact that slave labour was used in the building of von Braun's rockets before he quit working for the Nazis, and he either never noticed or purposefully ignored this fact. The science was the thing. The people, not so much.
 
 
grant
18:25 / 25.04.05
Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.
 
  
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