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A dictionary of demons and demonologists by fred gettings

 
 
Unconditional Love
12:11 / 19.04.05
i want a copy, but it floats around at high prices, does anybody own it and can they give it a brief review if they do.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:54 / 19.04.05
Dude, try .com not .co.uk

$38

Shipping of no no more than about 15 bucks tops means you can get the thing for about £20 all in. Just luvvin that exchange rate.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
15:00 / 19.04.05
Review by the infamous GM Kelly here
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:10 / 19.04.05
who is this gm kelly git? i bet its not that bad,fingers crossed.

i just found his web site does this guy like anyone, he doesnt like kenny g much at all or motta head or caliph.

hes not avin any of it.
 
 
ghadis
02:34 / 20.04.05
Well Kelly (whoever he is) makes a very good point.

Just this last couple of hours i've had a similar annoying experience whilst reading Wizard the trade comics magazine (for work reasons!) where the comic artist Alex Ross is talking about some of his favourite paintings. He talks about a painting he made of Alan Moore incorporating all Moores creations and characters, Miracleman, V, Swamp Thing, Constantine, etc. In the middle of the painting is Alan Moores big bearded face and Ross talks about how due to his in depth research and detail, he even drew in a faint image of a pentagram in Moores eyeball in honour of From Hell where the pentagram is a symbol of the entire layout of North Hampton. Well, the geeky fanboy in me just squirmed. Unless it was needless editorial intervention from Wizard that?s a fucking howling mistake and a pretty insulting one in that it implies that he hasn?t actually read the source material and is just going through the motions. It was a good picture though.

This has also reminded me of a book I read recently called The Secret Life of Puppets written by Victoria Nelson, which is a fucking great book about the esoteric and occult influences in our society today which are often overlooked (i?m doing the book a massive disservice by that lame description?seek it out!) but in which she talks about Alan Moores Nightwatchmen. Again, someone who obviously hasn?t read it as she gets the fucking title wrong but who puts it into her book and talks about it and it?s influences anyway. Still, a very good book but it makes me wonder that if I can pick out that bit of obvious hackism just because I know my Alan Moore comics, what am I being fucked over with when she talks about Bruno Schultz, Rainer Maria Rilke or E.T.A. Hoffmann.

The authority of being in print. You see this a lot when you start reading books on history or the history of religion. Wallis Budge says that Egypt was a polytheistic country with a monotheistic underlining so that goes along for a few decades until he?s discredited but you still get books on Egyptology printed now that still quote him, and his ideas, verbatim.

I?ve drunkenly rambled off the point of the thread


I guess what I?m saying is, and this is so so so so done because all of us do it every day whether we acknowledge it or not, don?t take anyones opinion as any sort of truisim because it?s in a book. Or anywhere else for that matter.

There is no us or i.

Whilst galloping around up here just want to say that think that most people need some sort of E Prime training that will separate us from ourselves.

GL doesn?t know his arse from his elbow!


Back to the thread.

Fred Gettings.

Demons.

Tarot.

Palmistry.

Dreams.

Occult.

Hack.

50p

Remaindered bookshop.

Save your money.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
03:42 / 20.04.05
You forgot to say "big qlippothic cocks" Ghadis.

GM Kelly was largely infamous, as may be discerned from reading his website, for having big fallouts with other Thelemites in print. This was in those halycon days before the interweb, note, when people spent months having protracted arguments in the letters columns of various magazines.
There was a rumour floating round the UK thelema scene that he'd taken a pop at Ray Sherwin using the Goetia.
 
 
ghadis
04:20 / 20.04.05
Well, i don't know much about him, but i have vague memories of crap paperbacks on divination and book club hardbacks from the early 80s found in car boot sales. I may be wrong.

No Qlipphiotic cockss unfortunatly.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:47 / 23.04.05
the fred gettings book isnt bad, although the author has a self inflated opinion of himself, but hes not the only author with that problem, hes very critical of crowley/golden dawn style demonology and the validity of grimoires in general which is very intresting reading and can see why it wouldnt be recieved well by those in thelemic circles, but his scholarship seems to be accurate in those areas. i am becoming fascinated by how thelema and golden dawn associated materials are some how percieved as being more authentic than say wicca, because through historical and academic study it becomes obvious that they are just as much an artistic creation as wicca and for example chaos magic, the one saving feature of chaos magic for me is that it atleast acknowledges this artistry and then embraces it as its source for magickal activity, its not trying to pull the scam of being an authentic tradition, going way back to such and such.

this is also something of value from the idea of pop magick its seeks its myths from the present and embraces the culture it belongs to, it is less of an escape and more of a reclaimation of the current environment and empowerment through interaction with current mythical mediated stories.
 
  
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