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There is a negative entity living in my friend´s apartment

  
 
Polka Snibbs
17:06 / 17.04.05
The story begins some years ago. Our friend -lets call him A- has hots for a girl. Unfortunately the girl does not share the feelings, actually she is dating someone else. So, after trying everything else, A. finally does something.. stupid. He calls on Satan and sacrifices some of his own blood to get the girl. Remember, that he was young and stupid, and anxious and stupid, and a man and stupid. And did I mention stupid? (He has himself admitted this.)

Unnecessary to mention, the pact did not work. Satan did not (fortunately) appear, but something else came through. We call it a "home demon." It is not a nice entity. It has a tendency to appear when there are anxious, depressed and/or otherwise negatively thinking men around. I myself toy with an idea that it is some sort of an nonsexual succubus, because it doesn´t show much interest towards women.
It moves objects: hats, wargaming miniatures. Not that you can see it do that, but you hear it, and find stuff from the floor instead of the shelves. Grimlockus will tell more about it, because he has been more around than me. It lives in one of A:s movie posters. There has been debate, which one of the two it is. Even A:s mother has felt it. She said that there is something evil, something wrong in A:s flat.

These are my experiences: I was standing next to the kitchen door (it is a one-room-and-kitchen-flat), when I felt someone watching me next to my shoulder. That was unpleasant, because everyone else was in the kitchen. I turned to face the stare, and saw one of the aforementioned posters. Somebody was looking at me through the eyes of Brandon Lee. I told it that I could see it -according another girl it tries to hide in the shadows and make A. believe that it is a part of himself.

And a couple of weeks ago I was there, with A. and another guy. We had a nice evening, we watched "Ginger Snaps" 2 & 3 and some Finnish trash films (I laughed myself to the verge of vomiting). Round 3 am we started to go get some sleep. Or the boys tried, I had made the mistake of drinking about a litre coffee couple of hours before, and had that caffeine heart condition. The kind that feels like you are going to have a heart attac. After turning the lights off we heard small clincking sound two metres away, from the miniature shelf. We decided to ignore it, and soon the boys were asleep. I lied awake, trying to calm down my heartbeat. Another clinck. I think that the fact that I was awake draw its attention to me. My heart jumped. I wasn´t actually scared, just unable to relax, calm down and let it pass. Then I sort of got the information, it was not said or anything, somehow it just was inside my brain: "do not be afraid. It cannot do any real harm."

Pretty soon I heard from the kitchen (4 metres away) a really loud sound, like someone was crumbling a large paper bag into a ball. And directly after that through my closed lids I could see the window facing me (there is a lantern outside giving light) going gradually black, like a big shadow coming in front of it. I hadn´t dared to open my eyes after the second clinck. Right away I visualised my spirit guide standing over me, covering me from head to toe and then some. He came immediately, and I am grateful for that. I sent out the following message: "Stop harassing me, because if you don´t, I will go to the underworld and fetch someone very big here to rip you a new one." Things calmed down, and I fell asleep pretty soon.

We have the promise to drive it out, if we want. There are problems, though. A. is not one of the most positive people I know, and it is possible, that the demon/entity/whatever has found his weak spot and is psychically feeding from him. Sort of an etherical parasite, making him not really wanting to get rid of it?

Also, we don´t have any experience of this kind of excorsism. We live in a Lutherian country, and the protestant church does not do that kind of stuff. So if we start meddling with this, there is a chance that it fails, and in worst case brings other entities with it.

And what about the possible blood bond between A. and this thing?

So..? Burning sage and sandalwood in the beginning? Covering the doorways with rosemary? Painting protective runes? Explosives?

Help?
 
 
Joetheneophyte
17:31 / 17.04.05
I AM NO EXPERT AND THIS SHOULD BE TREATED WITH THE DISDAIN IT DESERVES BUT HERE GOES

Maybe doing a ritual where the poster where you believe that the entity is housed is burned and he/she be 'freed' to go about it's business might be preferrable

In the interests of ecology, it might be in the interests of all concerned and any people in the vicinity that you include a proviso that the entity can continue to exist and powered but his/her link is to another power source, rather than human blood or emotional baggage

That way, this 'demon' can be respected but told/asked in no uncertain terms to go on it's way and for it's binding link to the human soul to be severed. Maybe the succubus/demon is just as annoyed at being tied to a human that it no longer likes?

Whatever, being respectful and burning the poster cannot harm. If this does not work, then I am sure some of the more adventurous and brave souls on here can think of some more severe and unfriendly ways of severing the link

In the interim, presumably on a daily basis the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram could be utilised. For something more permanent, then try what I suggest and if that doesn't work........ read the posts after mine
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:39 / 17.04.05
Non-sexual succubus? I don't quite get you. Succubi and incubi are pretty much all about sex.

Floor wash. (Have look at luckymojo.com's floor washes page for the general idea). I get the sense of a rather macho vibe going on here; getting down on your hands and knees and giving the flat a good old-fashioned scrub will help counteract that. It'll ground you.

As for your friend's connection to the beastie: he might want to perform some kind of rite to break that down. An uncrossing should do the trick.

And then everyone concerned should take a break from magick for a few weeks and do something else. Completely else. Go backpacking. Volunteer at a soup-kitchen. Whatever. No magick. Get the nasty taste out of your mouths and come back to it fresh.
 
 
Grimlockus_Prime
17:47 / 17.04.05
Polka went through all the facts already, so i don´t need to bother with them. But gather around gentlebeings. Sit down by my virtual campfire and listen to my story of my encounter with the "thing" in my friend´s apartment.
It might sound like something out of Sluggy Freelance, but listen still. It might prove interesting.

My story starts on an normal evening at A.´s. All evening we had talked about movies and life.(yes. we are not always so positive about life). Probably looked a few movies also. But we started to get tired. I bundeld up on A.´s couch.

We didnt fall asleep straight away, but continued wondering about the ways of the world. Then we heard a light klinging soud. We had before talked about the entity and were both like "ookay...". We turned the light on and inspected the origin of the sound. A coin had dropped from his shelf. I had seen the coin before we went to sleep, and there was no chance that it would have fallen of by a slight tremor in the shelf or anything. Something had given it a about 10cm push. You tell me what it was...

Anyway. We decided that sleeping is stoopid and turned some music on and talked about nice thing for a while. Then went to a paranoid sleep.

Then the weird shit really starts. This could be just a plain dream, i dream alot. But i was all too much conscious about ewerything thorough it.
In the beginning i was standing on a dirt road in the middle of a village. All the houses were primitive huts. There seemed to be somekind of "coming of age" ritual going on some way from me. There were faceless tribesmen jumping over small bonfires.
They had somekind of priest leading them.

After all the men had jumped, the priest beckoned me to do the jump. At this point i started to realise i was dreaming and decided that waking up would be a realy cool thing because the people in the dream gave me unnaturaly bad wibes. But trying to do it i just felt like slamming to a wall. I quickly drew a protecting circle in the sand. The priest continued to beckon me to jump in a silky, but falce voice. So i decided to do something about the situation. I took the AK-47 assault rifle that was hanging on my back and fired a few bursts at the priest. He didnt even notice them. He just smiled at me like the Emperor smiles at Luke in Return Of The Jedi.

I was starting to realise that i wouldnt wake up anytime soon. And the priest-bloke would be trouble. So i put the AK
away and grabbed a sword hanging at my belt. I took a ready position and readied my self to attack. The i started to think about an old metal song. "Don´t Break The Circle". And i started to think that leaving the circle would be BAD. And the priest would do unpleasant stuff to me if i did. At this point i started feeling desperate. This was not what i had in mind when i thought of sleeping.

Then i remembered that acording to some beliefs, if you cry for help in a dream, you will get it. So i cautiously said "help...?". And lo and behold! A cold wind started to blow from behind me. i started to hear sounds of aproaching riders. Suddenly from behind me, there started appearing riding warriors in chainmail. Einherjers to be exact. Lead by Tyr, the viking god of justice and war, himself.
The warriors cleared the area and Tyr told me i did the right thing asking for help. I was like "wow..." And then i woke up to my friend mumbling something in his sleep.

This all might have sounded silly. But to me, it did not feel like a plain dream. So from my opinnion, i either had a confrontation with the "entity", or something in my subconscious unraveled itself bigtime.

Anyway. The "entity" has not bothered me after this.
A few weeks later i went and sacrificed some food and drink to Tyr, just to show that i am thankful and a good boy.

A thing that has to be mentioned is that the "entity" had read hes psychology books, and tried to play my martial side against me 10-1.

Here end my story. I will go and have a glass of water.
 
 
Polka Snibbs
17:53 / 17.04.05
Yup, I know that Incubi & Succubi are VERY heavily sex demons. It was only that the entity in question shows so much more interest towards men. As far as I know, I am the only woman it has actually harassed. And I am not so sensitive to these things. I could fall face first into a herd of leprechauns and not notice.
Hmm... perharps a gender-demon..?
 
 
Papess
18:24 / 17.04.05
Maybe burning the movie posters would help. Or has this matter been resolved?
 
 
Grimlockus_Prime
18:41 / 17.04.05
We are seriously thinking of burning the poster. But it has not yet been done. We just first wanted to see what other people make of the situation, and not just go ahead and burn it, and notice that the burning opened a portal to Hades or something.
 
 
Papess
18:57 / 17.04.05
Hermetically sealing the ashes, might be helpful in that case.
 
 
charrellz
19:57 / 17.04.05
[slight rot]
Somebody was looking at me through the eyes of Brandon Lee

Please tell me it isn't this poster, I've got that one over my bed at my parent's house, and suddenly I don't feel too keen on going home for the weekend (especially when coupled with reading Sax's book with mass-produced paintings killing people).
[/slight rot]

Ok, on to the actual advice. If you feel there is a definite connection to the poster, than destroying it is certainly a good idea. If you have the resources, you could try something along the lines of rolling up the poster into some sort of very secure container (preferably both water-tight and blessed[alot]). Take that container out to the woods or something and bury it under 6 feet of dirt and ask your favorite godform to keep it sealed and make sure it stays put. Perhaps someone could suggest appropriate deities for this purpose?

Also, is A 100% over this girl? Because your not-so-friendly local demon may be coming back if he still has a strong emotional attachment to what started this whole mess in the first place.

Oh yeah, and try giving it a very silly and demeaning name to show it you aren't scared (unless of course, you are and don't want to piss it off any more). I'm fond of "Mr. Spookypants".

Basically, there are plenty of options for you. Just be careful with what you pick. You and your friends know this entity better than anyone on this board, so it's up to you to decide on the best route. Good Luck!
 
 
mistress_swank
20:05 / 17.04.05
A few questions:
1. How receptive is A to the idea of getting rid of this thing? Is A grudgingly interested, or determined to do so? I ask because my interpretation of your posts feels like he isn't. The comment about succubi and his lack of positivity direct me to think that maybe either A is feeding this entity or, for some Stockholm-Syndrome-esque reason, giving it haven. Has anything bad happened to A himself?

2. I'm not quite sure I'm following what you mean by the Lutheran comment. No handy Catholic priest to do an exorcism? <grin7gt;

Good luck with however you choose to tackle this.
 
 
Polka Snibbs
05:55 / 18.04.05
A. is generally being quite passive about this stuff. Then again, he is pretty passive about everything. I honestly cannot say, if this is a result from this "Mr. Spookypants" or just his natural condition. Grimmy had to ask him, if he wanted to get rid of it. He did, but I seriously doubt if he had ever made the suggestion himself.

He is a movie freak, so he doesn´t cheer for the idea of burning the posters, but he will probably do as told ... In fact, burning the posters was the first idea we got.

And yes, it is exactly that poster. Without the text. The other candidate is "Army of Darkness"-movie poster.

Now I have to go and weave a viking apron.
 
 
Liger Null
09:42 / 18.04.05
Jeez, that poster give me the willies too. Along with a confusing "mmmmm, Brandon" feeling....

I remember the kind of crap I unleashed on myself when I called upon Kali (talk about the wrong deity for the job!) to improve my love life. I didn't get a demon, but I had this awful run of bad luck and fucked-up relationships that abated only when I wised up and started working with Sarasvati energy instead.

Sounds like you and Grim have some spiritual helping hands on your side, which is good. The next step, I suppose, is to jerk Mr. A out of his passivity. Maybe start by offering to buy him a newer, cooler poster?
 
 
nameless oxymoron
10:28 / 18.04.05
I suppose this is redundant, but have you tried asking it to leave?
 
 
Grimlockus_Prime
17:08 / 18.04.05
Many moons ago a friend of mine who dabbled with golden dawn and alike(no disrespect meant for those who practise it) told me that the best defence against demons and alike is simply to ask them to leave. In a friendly, but resolute way. And not to let them talk back. Like you would diclipline a child.
But my dream encounter with this punk (if it was a real encounter with it) has lead me to think that he´s not one who will listen to speach all too much. Unless you are bitching about how lousy your life is. Then it pulls up a chair and offers to buy you a beer.
 
 
Polka Snibbs
17:35 / 18.04.05
I don´t know if A. has ever gotten over any girls he has dated (or wanted to date). He is not very good in that department. Which is sad. He is a nice guy and doesn´t deserve a negative-energy spreading boogeythingy.

The idea of burning/getting otherwise rid of the posters (at least one of them seems to be a home to "Spookypants") and buying A. a new one seems good. Perharps he should pick one or two, and we would buy and load them with huge amounts of positive and good vibes. We are also going to clean up and purify his place somehow, so that there would be "a new start".

The Lutherian reference: no, we don´t have Fathers with burning eyes and thick, leather bound Bibles running around and shouting "Vade retro, Satanas". If you have any surplus of them, please PM me or Grimlockus and we will give you the address where to send them. (Air Mail, please, it is faster.) Especially if one of them is called Father Karras.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:28 / 18.04.05
*groan* You know, you're kind of assuming that this thing is a result of a ritual in which it wasn't called. So the questions arise: why are you so sure it's the blood ritual that brought this thing? Was anything weird happening in the building before that time? How old is the building? Because you know you could have a very unhappy female entity who's been treated badly by young men.

If it was me I'd stand in the middle of the room and I'd ask it what the fuck it wanted.

On the other hand- to get the blood out A. had to cut himself. He doesn't have a scar from that cut does he?
 
 
Bruno
23:24 / 18.04.05
If I was A I would:
1. Move out for a while taking only some clean clothes
2. When I went back I would get rid of posters, miniatures and any visual stimulus (esp if it can be associated with 'demonic' things), change the atmosphere. Make it as simple as possible. Like a monk's room.
3. Cover any mirrors or reflective surfaces. This is very important if he feels ugly or narcissistic.
4. Keep it very clean and tidy consistently.
5. Stop wanking for at least a few months. Or else not do it at home.
6. Spend as much time as possible without TV, computer or recorded music and observe myself, write, draw. Talk out loud (talk to 'it', to myself, to nobody). Experiment with movement and motionlessness. Experiment with darkness and light.
7. Not drink or smoke weed. Avoid drugs in general.
8. Avoid having people over to the flat who believe in the 'demon'. On the other hand definitely not become a complete social outcast.

I would do 2,3 and 4 as ritualistically as possible.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:26 / 18.04.05
Yes A., don't have any fun. Alternatively he might just try moving out permanently.
 
 
charrellz
01:34 / 19.04.05
New idea. If you're buddy likes the posters so much, you could try getting 'it' into a new object. Given its affinity for miniatures, you could try a really badass evil looking action figure or handmade doll. Just be like "Hey Mr. Spookypants, I thought you might want a cooler form to live in, after all, Brandon Lee is kind of a wanker and all, and I just thought you might like this kickass doll better. oh _whoops_, I spilled some gasoline on you. OH NO! My lighter is OuT oF cOnTRol!!". Alternatively, you could ignore this advice, as I'm not entirely sober.
 
 
Papess
08:31 / 19.04.05
I used to know a guy who would threaten to burn the entire house down if the entity wouldn't leave. I am not suggesting this is a good idea, just that it always worked.

I should point out, he was serious when he would threaten this, as he was nuts, or the best liar I have ever known...or both.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
10:13 / 19.04.05
Some observations:

You've apparently (from what you've posted) decided that there is a "demon" in your house and also that this has been going on for some time. Any 'odd' events are being interpreted as 'evidence' of the demon's presence - dreams, weird noises heard after watching a horror film, etc.,. At the same time you seem (as others have pointed out) curiously passive regarding doing something about it. If it does indeed 'live' in a poster, have you tried moving the poster outside or to some other location and ascertaining as to whether or not the 'manifestations' follow it?

My impression is that you all, to varying degrees, actually like believing that you have a presence in your house as it confirms your belief in the occult.

If you stop attributing every little odd noise, perception, dream or other event to the 'presence' of your supposed "home demon" then it is entirely possible 'it' will cease to bother you. Of course, that wouldn't be quite as satisying.
 
 
Bruno
11:19 / 19.04.05
Nina: asking 'it' what 'it' wants is unlikely to get answers in any direct way. Except for very subjective things like the i-ching, or interpreting noises and dreams.

A has to create an environment conducive to changing the way he has been thinking about both his relation to women and 'demons'.

I think trouser the trouserian's post is the most rational up till now. Grimlockus and Polka, by believing in 'it' and adding to your life this exciting demonic 'encounter' you are probably making 'it' much stronger than 'it' ever was. (It is very much like in Invisibles v2 where King Mob and Robin are in the church which reflects their fears (desires?) back at them).
The only real power 'it' probably has is to make A more depressed, convincing him that he is unwantable, making him a negative person, and possibly suicidal or self-destructive (e.g. cutting himself).

By the way for what it is worth I am speaking from the experience of having been diagnosed by a dowser as being: a. possessed by 2 dead people, b. having 3 evil eyes on me, and c. having had black magic cast on me. She did a ceremony to cure me, and then a second time because one of the dead people was still there. The second time I felt tingling in my anus the whole day. I'm not saying I believe any of it. Simultaneously I was living in a 'possessed' apartment on my own - it was supposedly possessed by something bad in the building. I was seriously depressed and rotting for a long time. When I moved out I felt it had followed me so I thought, fuck it, it's just a subjective thing that I project onto my environment. I did the things I recomended and things are much better.

I wouldnt believe in a demon in a more literal sense unless I got very hardcore results. And I wouldnt try to make them happen. All houses make noises and things are not where we remember them being, this happens often. I dont mean to be rude but none of your evidence is very convincing.
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:04 / 19.04.05
the whole building must be purified with flame and an offering of souls to the dark one, its the only way, to be ,to be sure.;-)
 
 
gale
14:16 / 19.04.05
You said A was very negative. Could this negativity have spilled over from inside and created a poltergeist? That's sure what it sounds like. I grew up with one my sister created when she was 14 (I was 8). The things they can do are frightening, and it really sucks living with them, but I think if A left, it would follow him because it IS him.

I suppose just ignoring it (no matter what it does) would be best. In my case, the only thing that got rid of it was time. And I still won't sleep in that house ever again.
 
 
Grimlockus_Prime
14:49 / 19.04.05
Im tired, and suffering form a apocalyptic headache, so please bear with me if this posting is not so clear.

What you have made me realise(specialy Trouser) is that we have not done enough investigation on the thing. And because of that it might be possible that we are letting our collective imagination play tricks on us. Would´nt be the first people in the world.

Then again, we have had different people who have no contact with eachother claim that "there´s something wrong in the apartment". But then again. In these cases everybody
has.

May it then be that some of these posts has sobered up my thinking capacity or simply given a new wiew on the thing, but i think it is time for some deeper investigation on the thing. For example, simply moving the poster. I realy had not tought of that.

I still believe there is somekind of a negative entity living there. Not sure what kind of, but something.
gales opinnion allso had definetly some idea in it. A. is TREMENDOUSLY negative so that there might be enoug surplus negative energy to in itself "give birth" to something.
A. himself tough suspected the bloodoffering might have a connection with all this. And he´s the one who is living in the house so im willing to listen to hes opinnion allso.


What it comes to sacrificing souls and stuff, i believe that a few punds of holy C-4 would do the same thing. But nobodys letting me try that.

Well. I might sit here and twiddle toughts one way or another, but my headache would make it just lousy woolgathering.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:39 / 19.04.05
Nina: asking 'it' what 'it' wants is unlikely to get answers in any direct way.

Nonsense, asking it what it wants is the only way to ever get any kind of answer from anything at all.
 
 
JohnnyDark
23:13 / 20.04.05
Just.. um... get out more.
 
 
Morpheus
01:14 / 22.04.05
Wow...this one is easy as pie. Do you want this thing out Ms. P.S.? You don't even need his/a's help. The things this entity are doing are for the most part harmless, but you can never be sure.
First off... Your pal A. seems to not know much about love majik if he starts off invokeing demons and offering his own blood. Tell him the only thing he will get out of what he did is now a problem no-one asked for. He has become the pest. If he does anything else like that you need to show him the door with no regrets.
Second... The Imp invoked most likely is a primal fire element that holds less material content and so burning is straight out...don't burn a thing, that will just get this thing going. In fact I suggest adding a small meditation fountain in the room. Or a goldfish. He also needs to get his desires or dumb lust under check. Tell him to stop jerking off for at least a week, and cool off concerning this girl.
If you cool him off he will stop or in this case start being a fool. And hopefully the little heat misery will leave.
 
  
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