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What the fuck is grime?

 
 
diz
08:09 / 15.04.05
I know it's some kind of subgenre of garage, which is itself kind of a mess. Please someone explain. Thank you.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:26 / 15.04.05
Hold tight!
 
 
illmatic
09:14 / 15.04.05
Yep, buy that compliation then you'll understand it. It's basically UK Garage (house music derived music but with a slightly different "2 step" rhythm) plus east London cockney MCs spitting over the top. Represents an interesting UK fusion between garage and hip hop.

If you want to get all pretentious about it, there's a primer by Flyboy nemesis Simon Reynolds in this month's issue of The Wire. Or for more indepth discussion, check out some of the music threads over at wwww.dissensus.com
 
 
illmatic
09:15 / 15.04.05
"house music derived music"? Someone shoot me.

COCK BACK!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:53 / 15.04.05
It's perhaps worth noting that there are certain production styles that seem to crop up in grime and help to give it a specific identity. One of these is speed - this is where the connection to jungle and garage comes in - and the other is what you might call a kind of coldness. One of the key figures in the genre is Wiley, who has said that he would rather it had been called "eski" - his own term, short for 'Eskimo', the title of one of his tracks (another is called 'Ice Rink'). However I think more and more 'warmer' (arguably more conventionally hip hop/r&b) beats are now being produced, eg the material on the forthcoming Kano and Roll Deep albums.

Personally I take the view that grime is a form of hip hop, like crunk or g-funk it's defined by location and sound but I think the lines will become more and more blurred as time goes on, and that's a good thing. Reynolds is actually a pretty good guide to what's worth checking out in grime, but his more in-depth attempts at analysis tend to be deeply flawed due to the fact that he totally buys into dubious, problematic concepts like "the scene".
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:54 / 15.04.05
(Not that a scene doesn't exist or isn't important, the fallacy is his conception of what the relationship is between that scene and the rest of the world, also ideas of authenticity etc etc...)
 
 
illmatic
10:16 / 15.04.05
That’s interesting Fly, I’ve been thinking of grime as a variant on house music, because of the backing tracks, and where they dereive from. Also, the lack of connection/interest in expression of the wider hip hop culture. But I’m sure the lines will blur as you say.

So we’ll have to disagree respectfully. Not that it matters. The yoot sneer disdainfully at both of us. And Simon Reynolds.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:30 / 15.04.05
Mostly London based, definitely UK based, hip hop style, characterised by angular, polyrhythmic beats and aggressive, generally speedy lyrics, utilising samples from recent post 80's era house and house-derived music, though not necessarily. The music your Granny is least likely to 'get', even taking in Ragga and Gabba. Stick that in yer Wiki.
 
 
diz
22:56 / 16.04.05
thank you all for your info. must go looking now.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:19 / 09.05.05
For grime at its absolute best, you must hear Roll Deep's 'When I'm 'Ere' - fortunately you can do so 'ere.

Eieieieieieieieieieieieieieieie!!!
 
 
charrellz
23:47 / 09.05.05
So, over the last week I have become completely obsessed with this genre. I can't stop. The only time I don't have dizzee rascal echoing through my head is when lady sov is in there. Why did no one force this on me sooner???

For the record, it was the cadence weapon remix of Lady Sovreign's "blah blah blah" that got me hooked. In summation, if you're reading the thread and you haven't heard any grime yet, GO!
 
 
illmatic
08:10 / 10.05.05
That Roll Deep track is sooooo good.

It may even provoke embarassing teacher-student interation.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
16:15 / 18.05.05
Finally picked up Run the Road. It's unbelievably good!!
 
  
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