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Total Barbelith Tarot: 7-The Chariot

 
 
Rex City-zen
16:45 / 05.09.01
So it has been decided then that we will continue with individual threads per card.

Today brings us to:

VII- THE CHARIOT
 
 
Rex City-zen
16:50 / 05.09.01
 
 
Ierne
17:04 / 05.09.01
This card represents the state of mind where - unlike the last card - everything is going a bit too smoothly and things happen a bit too easily. Often complacency sets in, or an overinflated sense of ego.

Luckily, nothing is as simple as it seems...
 
 
Annunnaki-9
19:53 / 05.09.01
I'll leave the Kabbalistic stuff to others, but this card can mean discipline. It has an air of "Mars Enthroned" in a triumphal victory, but not the common (and correct) view of Mars as unmitigated masculine agression, rather Mars tempered by self-control. This is victory achieved through discipline.
 
 
the Fool
00:11 / 06.09.01
Baby you can drive my car
Yes I'm gonna be a star
Baby you can drive my car
and baby I love you

beep beep'm, beep beep YEAH!
 
 
Rex City-zen
17:11 / 06.09.01
CHARIOT

Astrological Sign: CANCER

Use of inner will.
The chariot represents the use of inner will and intelligence to achieve personal goals.Anything the querent sets out to do will be accomplished.Will overcome anyone and anything that stands in hir way.Intentions are pure with a disciplined focous.
REVERSED:
Conflict and problems due to opposing aims and ideas,from another or one's self.Can be overpowered by opposition and lack of experience.May also be confused about which route to take to resolve situation.
 
 
grant
17:43 / 06.09.01
The Chariot: That's right, I DO own the road.
 
 
Rex City-zen
18:47 / 06.09.01
cute
 
 
Annunnaki-9
19:57 / 06.09.01
Arright, arright- a little Kabbalistic stuff for my favorite card.

Look at this card and the High Priestess in the Waite-Rider deck. See any similarities? See also the Hierophant. These three cards (II, V and VII) cross the Abyss that separates the highest three sephira from the lower. THey are initiatory cards. THe High Priestess is an initiation into the Mysteries, the Hierophant an initiation into an ordered scheme, a church, a party, something with a doctrine well set out and explained by an adept, whereas the Priestess initiates in a lot more subtle manner, usually individually, and there's a lot more left of the mystery after she goes away, usually leaving the aspirant saying 'wha...?' It's not uncommon for males to fall in love with their Preistess teacher in whatever form she manifests herself. But she'll go away- she'd better, It's one of the tests.

All this being said, I'm a little unclear as to the nature of the Chariot's initiation. There's the whole 'Protector of the Holy Grail" thing, at least in the Thoth deck. There's a martial quality here, but also, as we all know, the finder of the Grail was a lone wolf, so to speak. I stand by the discipline thing mentioned above, but I don't think it's a military style indoctrination. Maybe more of the old style of warrior, like an Indian of the plains, counting coup and raiding horses, seeking glory through prowess in a highly individual way. This accounts for the Geburah-ic influence.

Related: two other Major Arcana leap the Abyss- the Lovers, already spoken about, and Atu XVII: the Star.
The Lovers can be an initiation into ego-destruction through the Beloved. What of the Star?
 
 
Rex City-zen
16:09 / 10.09.01
Of course 6 being the number for man(kind) and the number f dimensions lost at creation.
The addition of the star to the lovers (17+6=) is the enigmatic 23.Fall apart.The star crossed lovers seperated by time and space...(wipes tear from eye)
The aquarian deck which I prefer has the lovers and the star connected as before and after pictures...I will post them asap and discuss this more when we "hit" the star.
 
 
Rex City-zen
16:11 / 10.09.01
Gawd...
I found the fool's perc perscription and posted the above in the wrong thread!!
That'll teach me to listen to those of you who told me to make it all one thread...
aaargh!
 
 
Kobol Strom
18:33 / 10.09.01
The chariot,The Dragon of Death,Hot Rod,Crazy wheels.'Frankenstein' in Deathrace 2000.MAD MAX Interceptor V8,with turbo.Put your seatbelts on.Set a course for the heart of the sun.The Mig 29 fulcrum.Marios platforming action.Jamie and the magic torch.Hitchin a ride.Funky love train.Alpine drive.Little Nellie gets wet.Chuck Yeager and the BELL X1.Apollo 13.The suns rays.Gravity.Earth.American graffiti.Arnie and every vehicle in 'Commando'.The Nostromo.The catalyst.The place of transition and it will have important resonance with transpiring events.Watch for signals in the wallpaper.The shifting sands of cliche.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
19:58 / 10.09.01
Upsly: You are going to pass your driving test.
Downslow: You are flunking your driving test. Or your car is going to break down.

Trust me on this.
 
 
Rex City-zen
17:41 / 27.09.01
THE NOMINATION FOR THE CHARIOT CREATOR IS:THEO CALYPSO( Self appointed gaurdian of the Chariot )

If you don't mind...??
 
 
Annunnaki-9
20:50 / 27.09.01
You know, I'm honored for the nomination, and I'd like to thank the Academy, my parents (gods bless 'em), ect, etc....

BUT- as far as computers go, I can to two things and two things only- e-mail and surf web. That being said, I do indeed have some skills in the visual design field, I'd be happy to hand draw my conception and send to another for scanning puposes. With my limitations, it's all I can do.
 
 
cusm
23:32 / 27.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Theo Kalypso:
All this being said, I'm a little unclear as to the nature of the Chariot's initiation.


The Chariot, as card of internal will, initiates himself. He has mastered the powers of darkness and light (or your preferred duality), setting them against each other as an engine to generate energy that pulls him where he wants to go. How else does one cross the abyss form Gebura, save through his own power? He wishes to see what is across, so he goes there, and finds the answers he sought.

As icon of individual will, one interpretation is that the charoit does not move, but stays in one place. It is the world which moves around it. It is the temple of the world, the center of all things. It can take him to the higher spheres, where he finds he no longer has need of it.
 
 
Ganesh
23:40 / 27.09.01
It's the Palace On Wheels...
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
13:25 / 03.10.01
So... is our culture's fascination with cars about the quest for control over our lives and the strengthening of our wills?

"heading out to the highway. I've got nothing to lose at all. Going to do it my way, take a chance before I fall." - Judas Priest.

"I am a rocker, I am a roller, I'm an all out controller. I'm the Night Rider baby!" - Mad Max

(with enough Mezcal, Mad Max can be about anything. Damn good movie )
 
 
Rex City-zen
16:47 / 03.10.01
THEO...
That would be fine...if you are still interested. I thought it was a good idea since you are the self proclaimed gaurdian of the chariot.
Let me know...
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:38 / 04.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Theo Kalypso:


All this being said, I'm a little unclear as to the nature of the Chariot's initiation. There's the whole 'Protector of the Holy Grail" thing, at least in the Thoth deck. There's a martial quality here, but also, as we all know, the finder of the Grail was a lone wolf, so to speak. I stand by the discipline thing mentioned above, but I don't think it's a military style indoctrination. Maybe more of the old style of warrior, like an Indian of the plains, counting coup and raiding horses, seeking glory through prowess in a highly individual way. This accounts for the Geburah-ic influence.



I know my previous post sounded a bit flippant but I'm serious: Doesn't it seem that the old meme (highly prevalent in the 70s and 80s) of the post-apocalyptic wandering warrior (quite frequently with some sort of vehicle that is also a weapon) was tapping into the same sort of archetypes that are resonant in the Chariot? Maybe this is obvious but I've never connected it before. You just got me all hot and bothered about all this!

Hell, even the newer video games that revisit those themes (Interstate '76, Fallout) follow the parameters you layed down above.

I gotta go drive around before I get any more excited.
 
 
cusm
12:53 / 04.10.01
*imagines Mel Gibson posing for the card art*

hmm...

The Chariot as the Man With No Name. I like it.
 
 
Annunnaki-9
01:36 / 13.10.01
I'm sorry, but due to recent events, I've found it advisable to take a vow of media silence (hereby violating my own rule) untril, well... until.

We're screwed. All of us. the sooner you aLL Realize this, the safwer yuoull be.

we're screwed/
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
13:19 / 15.10.01
Theo, don't let the world take the reins of the Chariot away from you. The tragedies of the world may run you off the road but don't do it for them.

We're all scared (except for maybe those in deepest denial) but I don't think that means we need to get sandwich boards that say "The End is Nigh."

There's plenty of ways to meet the inevitable future. Which road you take is up to you.
 
 
Rex City-zen
16:53 / 15.10.01
Fuck it.
Live life like a car ad.
 
  
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