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Jodhpurs

 
 
grant
16:10 / 29.03.05
OK, I'm one of those people who likes to have an answer, or at least an educated guess, for any conceivable question, so when one of my friends asked me this and I was stumped, I became frantic and unhappy.

This is the question:

"Why do those stereotypical depictions of Hollywood movie directors wear jodhpurs?"

I just sat and thought, and eventually said, "Well, those pants and the boots are like an equestrian outfit. But why a director would be dressed like a horseman beats me."

I've also used jodhpurs as part of a WWI uniform costume. I'm not sure why soldiers would wear them either, although it seems to make more sense, if they were meant to be utility outdoor gear -- or if they were in the cavalry.

So what is WITH jodhpurs, anyway? What do these pants mean, and what are they supposed to do?
 
 
grant
16:12 / 29.03.05
By the way, when you put "jodhpurs" in Google, this is the second site in the list.

It's a work-safe link, but I haven't really gone into the photo albums in depth.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
04:02 / 30.03.05
I think, but could be wrong, that the old hollywood director stereotype came from the notion that directors were so rich and so not bothered that they'd just swooped in from a rather enjoyable ride to sort out the unruly cast and crew of said film. Their genius being indispensible and all. Same with high ranking military officials because they too were of course on horseback all the time. Especially in Egypt. Perhaps Nina DL will be of more help here.
 
 
Ganesh
14:38 / 30.03.05
Didn't they also become the outfit of choice for motorcycle despatch riders, and the like, for much the same reasons?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:22 / 30.03.05
I really don't know what I'm talking about here, but was it possibly something to do with the fact that horse-riding people generally carry around whips with them* ? Also, didn't one of the silent age auter directors ( I forget which one ) actually dress like that ?



* As far as I know, and I stand to be corrected here, motorcycle despatch riders don't 'usually' do this at the moment.
 
 
grant
20:26 / 30.03.05
I can follow the horses - motorcycle link. I think they were part of a general "riding" getup in the 1800s, which carried over to all sorts of mechanical contraptions.

(Even bicycles -- must be the gears.)

Not sure why that would transfer onto a film set, though.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:30 / 30.03.05
From an article on Ed Wood: such affectations predated his memory: they had vanished at the end of the silent era (the earliest directors dressed this way as a protection against snakes and scorpions – in the silent days, films were usually shot on outdoor locations, and often in the desert).

the old hollywood director stereotype came from the notion that directors were so rich and so not bothered that they'd just swooped in from a rather enjoyable ride

That's a bit of a Cecil B. DeMille stereotype, if you don't know about him then there's an article here that's simple but quite enlightening.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
04:49 / 31.03.05
Ah see! I knew Nina would know.
When I googled this subject, I found loads of links to places to buy jodhpurs either for riding or to hire as part of military costumes. The images of motorcycle military folks did ring as a clear other stereotype. Did this just come down from switching to motorbikes from horses? And what exactly is the advantge to those baggy thighs? Perhaps the thigh parts are normal width and it's only that the calf section is squeezed tighter to the leg?
 
 
granty
06:14 / 31.03.05
This from Bursted Manor Riding Centre
www.burstedmanor.co.uk Jodhpurs and Breeches
Ordinary trousers and jeans rub in some very tender places and the purchase of a pair of jodhpurs or breeches will be essential if you decide to make riding a regular pursuit.
Traditionally breeches are cut with a leg that stops around the calf area and are designed for wearing with long boots. Jodhpurs are made with a longer leg length and are suitable for use with short boots and will usually also be fine with long boots.


Also the name seems to come from the city of Jodhpur in India, where the Jodhpur rulers apparently played a lot of polo on horseback and thus promoted the use of "jodhpurs".
 
 
grant
17:33 / 01.04.05
Outdoor gear! Snakes!

I can buy that. It's the tightness of the ankles, then. Keep critters out of pants.

There's some wry observation about casting couches in there, I'm sure.
 
 
grant
17:35 / 01.04.05
granty?

Hello!
 
 
granty
18:17 / 01.04.05
hullohullohullooooo!! where are you from? Ah'm frae Scotland. I work in England, but never mind.
 
 
Sax
11:16 / 04.04.05
Now you're talking to yourself in your own thread about pants.

Say that out loud to yourself and go get a glass of water.

I see a lot of girls wearing jodhpurs for fashion. Or rather, I have in the past. But not often men, outside of Outkast videos. Any boys wear jodhpurs for fun and/or profit?
 
 
Sax
11:17 / 04.04.05
Oh, in fact you're not talking to yourself.

Silly me.
 
 
grant
12:55 / 04.04.05
My grandfather's Scottish, my dad's South African, and I'm American.

I need a glass of water, yes.

My first association with jodhpurs, by the way, are an old pair of my dad's that I've taken. He wore them during an equestrian phase, I think. Only while on horseback. I think there's something a little feminine in the curves of jodhpurs that probably rubs most men the wrong way.

Very tempted to show up with Natal Carabineers jacket, jodhpurs, riding crop and WWI doughboy helmet at work now.

Hmm. I must fight this urge.
 
 
grant
12:58 / 04.04.05
So, granty, do you think we should team up and try to shame Sax into wearing jodhpurs this summer? Usually, he goes through this three-quarter-length pants angst once the weather warms up. Knee-breeches.

I think he's probably *really* just sublimating a desire for jodhpurs.
 
 
granty
14:17 / 04.04.05
Yes, I think that's a good idea. Baggy three-quarter length shorts aren't that far removed from jodhpurs in a way...just baggy at the ends rather than tight! How about this?
www.antinouscouture.com
Very classy jodhpurs-inspired twist. Just need a duelling scar and a monacle in the other eye!

Granty says to Grant: don't fight the urge either! Get that doughboy hat out now, before someone else does.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:03 / 04.04.05
The only men I can think of who wear jodhpurs regularly are Polo players. Definitely only people who ride, they're just not the type of fashion item that people actually wear, they're utility clothing really.
 
 
+#'s, - names
13:03 / 05.04.05
Tintin wore them all the time, didnt he?
 
 
Ganesh
18:27 / 05.04.05
These guys are big fans...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:36 / 05.04.05
Tintin wore jodhpurs??
 
 
grant
20:38 / 05.04.05
No, Tin-tin wore knickers. Traditional for young men of a certain era, and the source of the team name for the New York Knicks.

You British people, stop giggling. These ain't panties, now.
 
 
ibis the being
22:05 / 05.04.05
WTF grant! - that first link opened up a super annoying series of popups. Evil.

On knickers, short for knickerbockers....

...mens' or boys' baggy knee trousers, of a type particularly popular in the early 20th century. Golfers' plus twos and plus fours, now also generally a thing of the past, are trousers of this type. Before World War II, skiiers often wore knickerbockers too.

The term came from the fictional author of Washington Irving's History of New York, (published 1809), Diedrich Knickerbocker, an old-fashioned Dutch New Yorker in Irving's satire of chatty and officious local history. In fact, Washington Irving had a real friend named Herman Knickerbocker, whose name he borrowed. [...] After Irving's History, by 1831, "Knickerbocker" had become a local bye-word for quaint Dutch-descended New Yorkers, with their old-fashioned ways and their long-stemmed pipes and knee-breeches long after the fashion had turned to trousers. Thus the "New York Knickerbockers" were an amateur social and athletic club organized on Manhattan's (Lower) East Side in 1842, largely to play "base ball" according to written rules; on June 19, 1846 the New York Knickerbockers played the first game of "base ball" organized under those rules, in Hoboken, New Jersey, and were trounced 23 - 1.


More than you ever wanted to know.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:17 / 06.04.05
I knew there were no jodhpurs there.
 
 
Ariadne
09:15 / 06.04.05
yes - warning to anyone opening that first link - i'm going to delete cookies when I got home tonight cause I didn't like the look of the popups I had to fight off this morning.
 
 
grant
20:16 / 06.04.05

Popups? Weird -- the only things I get are password requests. That site protects their images under them, so if you want to look at pictures of the historical clothing, you need the password. For each picture on the page.

Were there other things on there that I'm missing?
 
  
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