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Lets use magic to kill bastards!

 
 
FutureBoy
00:52 / 04.09.01
This is not a hypothetical situation. My girlfriend just told me that she was sexually abused by her uncle from ages 5 though 8. He never "raped" her, but did everything but! Now this has caused her years of pain and such.
Now, not to brag, but I'm a pretty powerful Magician and right now I've got enough angry energy to devastate Honduras! AND he's probably still doing it to someone else. So, should I just go and cardiac arrest this mother fucker... or not.
I'm also thinking of simply giving him a stoke, paralyzing a large part of his body, ruining his life but, you know, letting him live.
 
 
toadchrist
01:02 / 04.09.01
Oooh. This is quite the moral conundrum. Obviously he's scum. But it's possible that he's scum because some fuck did the same to him at one point, which theydid because another fuck did it to them, and so on. But that doesn't really excuse it, because I highly doubt that your girlfriend is such a terrible person. If it happened to my girlfriend, though, all objectivity would go flying out the window and the guy's head would be exploded like a ripe melon. So I see where you're coming from. I dunno.
 
 
SMS
02:14 / 04.09.01
My advise.

First, use your magic to help heal your girlfriend in every appropriate way. You'll have to judge for yourself what is appropriate. You may also use it to aid anyone else her uncle has abused.

Next, the man who did this to her is sick. Use your magic to undo this sickness, so that he never has any desire to do it again.
 
 
Stephen
06:05 / 04.09.01
quote: but he also says "... harm none"


Does he?
 
 
RiffRaff
12:10 / 04.09.01
If memory serves me correctly, the pussy "An it harm none" rider to "Do what thou wilt" is a creation of the Wiccans, not of Crowley.

AC'd probably have told ya to snuff the bastard.
 
 
moriarty
13:11 / 04.09.01
Ahh, you beat me to it, Haus.

If someone posted a similar thread in the Conversation, or elsewhere, and suggested shooting the fucker, surely many posters would advise against it. In fact, if any governmental agencies were reading this, they might get involved (unlikely, I know, but I love a conspiracy).

Here, in Magick, this isn't a concern. Why? Is it possible that we only hold back from immoral acts (like murder) because of the possibility of retribution or punishment, and not out of any kind of moral judgement? And do you feel safe in your advocacy of the taking of a human life because you know that the world at large wouldn't believe that Magick was responsible?

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to belittle your powers, since I am coming from the position that you can do this. But, do the people posting here feel that with this power comes the wisdom to take the law into their own hands and take a life, or change it against it's will, and get away with it?
 
 
Molly Shortcake
14:16 / 04.09.01
I was being harassed by a drunk customer at a former food service job. One of my co workers was into shaminism and asked me if I wanted a trick laid on him.

She said she could physically hurt him if I wanted but she needed my permission to do anything. As much as I wanted to kill him, I'd rather be left alone, so that's the trick she did. He ended up being diagnosed with diabeties and couldn't eat anything in the restaraunt or indulge in his alcholism anymore. Just desserts as far as I'm concerned.
 
 
deletia
15:04 / 04.09.01
And how bad does "harrassment" have to be before it justifies giving people a life-threatning disease?

Just curious. I mean, he must have really fucked with you. You know, beaten you up or put a gun to your head or something, yeah?
 
 
RiffRaff
15:42 / 04.09.01
One could argue, equally reasonably, that he had diabetes all along, and the result of the magick was the diagnosis. Without it, he might have continued eating sugar and drinking alcohol, blissfully ignorant - until it killed him. So perhaps it actually saved his life.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
18:59 / 04.09.01
Man, that is a fucking terrible story. If that happened to someone I cared about I'm not sure I could reign in the desire to inflict something really nasty on the person responsible.

Obviously it has to be between you and your concience what you do. You know the ins and outs of the situation, I don't. But it stikes me that the important person here is not the abuser but the victim, and that your energies would be far better channeled into helping her overcome what has happened to her. You might also think about a behavior modification spell, a binding of some kind, to prevent this abuser from reoffending.
 
 
Lionheart
20:23 / 04.09.01
Well, maybe, this is just a suggestion, you should make the guy realize what he did. That's all. That's the worst punishment you can give to him.
 
 
Wyrd
20:49 / 04.09.01
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:
Here, in Magick, this isn't a concern. Why? Is it possible that we only hold back from immoral acts (like murder) because of the possibility of retribution or punishment, and not out of any kind of moral judgement? And do you feel safe in your advocacy of the taking of a human life because you know that the world at large wouldn't believe that Magick was responsible?

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to belittle your powers, since I am coming from the position that you can do this. But, do the people posting here feel that with this power comes the wisdom to take the law into their own hands and take a life, or change it against it's will, and get away with it?


I think this is an important issue to ponder. I often find that people operate under a different set of morals when using magic than they would normally. I'm sure it's the retribution thing - the idea that you can sit in your bedroom and fuck someone over and they are defenseless to respond is something that can inflate the ego a great deal.

Personally, I think that reaching for the curse box is the last course of action in any situation. Most things can be solved in "normal" ways, and I've never understood people who seem keen to throw around magical forces just because they can. It's almost as if they are waiting for a reason. You rarely hear of these people using magic for some beneficial cause that no one will ever know that they gave them a magical helping hand. (By the way this isn't directed at Futureboy, just the question that moriarty is posing)

Futureboy, what happened to your girlfriend is dreadful, and it's something she will live with for the rest of her life. I think the suggestion of helping her first is a good one. After all, she's the one you're most interested in helping. I know it's difficult because you want to do something, but try and channel that desire into non-leathal action.

Regarding what to do with her abuser, I think there's been some very good suggestions made in this thread.

What you are discussing is revenge, not justice. Try and aim for justice.

Now, equally I'm aware that I'm not in the situation, so it's easier to suggest restraint. I do have a very protective attitude towards my nearest and dearest and have no compunction about protecting them magically if someone is messing with them from that arena. It's just not always the appropriate response, and it depends on the situation.

Anyway, best of luck; it's an emotional issue and a difficult one to resolve.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
02:53 / 05.09.01
Haus, he was trying to lay a trick on me. I told her I just wanted to be left alone, NOT to hurt him.

[ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: Ice Honkey/Turbo Shark ]
 
 
deletia
07:19 / 05.09.01
Honkey: Gotcha. I misread your original post.
 
 
Kabakhu
20:03 / 06.09.01
I suggest, however hard it seems, to chill out first and think things over.
I know how you are feeling, i'm in a similar position with my own g/f who was raped by her father from age 11 onwards (plus possibly his 'Business associates' too- she has a few years memory loss we're working on). This has led her to drug abuse etc etc. She's pretty fucked up and its really tempting to go cardiac the guy, but he's now 70 so i figure he aint got long anyway. The thing i am doing right now is sending her healing, plus healing requests at places like www.reiki.org
Revenge may not be as sweet as it first seems.


pax

K

[ 06-09-2001: Message edited by: Kabakhu ]
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:09 / 06.09.01
Yeah... I've experienced similar situations. it's difficult to not want to take some sort of action... yet it hard to say what's appropiate.

Energy devoted towards your girlfriend's weel being could work wonders for the both of you, even serving to bring you closer together.

While unlikely... energy devoted towards retrabution could have unforseen feedback...

What if he DOES have a stroke and as a result it creates a sort of fear/mistrust on your girlfriends part?
Just being dramatic but maybe there's a point...
...Help Her... good Luck/well being
 
  
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