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Time as tool

 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
19:35 / 20.03.05
a coupla years back, I fell into the Dreamspell Calendar (www.tortuga.com) - a calendar based on the Mayan calendrical system, but adjusted by Jose Arguilles for North Americans.

for the mayan systems (haab, tzolkin, long count) check out
http://www.pauahtun.org/tools.html

it's an amazing tool for manifestation, as it uses interlocking measures of different magnitudes of time, with a numerological progression.

4, 7, 9, 13, 20, multiples and harmonics thereof, are key numbers.

The Mayans were really big on measuring the cycles of Venus (ie Kukulkan, the plumed serpent), and her cycle of 584 days (between helical risings, I think).

His plan is to reform our calendar, such that the Dreamspell becomes the global standard, all others observed as per one's preference.

It lead me down a path of looking at Hebrew, Muslim, Chinese, Gregorian (the one we commonly use), Julian, Erisian, Astrological and other calendars. Even Crowley has one based on the Tarot.

The most appealing part of the Dreamspell, is that it synchronises the Lunar Cycle with the Solar Cycle (none of the others do this). As such:

13 months of 28 days (4 x 7-day weeks) = 364

there are 13 lunar cycles (not phase cycles) during a solar year.

Take the day left over, call it the "Day out of Time," and celebrate it as the New Year on July 25th (the Rising of Sirius - I think - which was acknowledged by the Egyptians as the start of the Nile's flooding season). It is celebrated in many cities in the Americas, who acknowledge the day as an international day of Peace (what's not to like?).

The 1/4 day that we incorporate as February 29th every four years is a matter of dispute (apparently), as the amount of the fraction isn't agreed upon universally (or so I'm lead to believe).

It is immersed in a lot of New-Age (rhymes with Sewage) terminology, which I find dilutes it into vaguely positive platitudes, but that aside, the system's got a lot of merit.

Curiouser and curiouser.

All this to say: anyone use any of these tools to effect?

I find using the symbolism of the days of the week (Sun, Moon, Tiw/Mars/Fire, Wodan/Mercury/Water, Thor/Jupiter/Wood, Freya/Venus/Metal, Saturn/Earth), as it seems to be consistent across the cultures with which I am familiar.

Also, the names of the months, and the progression of the Sun through the Astrological houses, creates an intriguing progressive narrative, From March (Mars) to February (Februus - personification of the Underworld), or Aries (Mars) to Pisces (Neptune). Take your pick. It's the story of the harvest.

anyone else care to share?
peace.

pablo
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
13:44 / 24.03.05
OK - so no one's used time/calendrics to effect.

I've used them to time travel - the Mayan calendars require a different way of thinking about time measurements, which helps liberate your brain...

there are 20 glyphs, each a face of god, or an archetype if you like - from red dragon to yellow sun
there are 13 numbers, each a face of god, or an archetype

so, in the holy calendar, the Tzolkin, (the cosmic cog if you will), there are 260 days (ie 13x20) - the gestation period of a human being.

the dreamspell's version starts again on April 14, with
1 dragon (called red magnetic dragon). The idea is to project ahead to the next magnetic dragon, and back to the last one.

as for the Winter Solstice in 2012 - the Mayan End date for the Great Cycle (started around 3113 BC) coupla theories -

a) it's the end of the world. panic now!
b) it's not the end of the world. panic at your leisure.
c) reversal in the Earth's magnetic poles - North becomes South and vice-versa - prepare your home electronics for the shift. You may want to delay upgrades.
d) the Sun lines up with the centre of the Milky Way from our perspective. It's been ~13000 years since the last time. Pack a lunch, invite a friend - don't look directly at the Sun, as he's been known to burn retinae for such silliness.
e) it's just a date. hope your xxxmas shopping's done.

there's more magic to this than meets the eyes, my chaoticians. hope you find it the least bit interesting (although, considering the lack of replies, this feels like a lot of digitized wanking)

have a nice day
pablo
 
 
Chiropteran
16:48 / 24.03.05
FWIW, I'm finding it very interesting, but I just don't have enough of a background to contribute anything. Sorry. :S

~L
 
 
jorjun
17:46 / 25.03.05
Very interesting. I have read only a tiny amount about the Mayans, presumably they lived close to the earth and were virtuous and therefore built up a body of excellent wisdom.

To me though, the central issue with a calendar is just the learning of the tree of life. So any system that has not been carefully, and gently added to the existing arcanum is a distraction : more vocabulary to learn, more suspended disbelief, etc. etc.

With you on the days of the week I have the habit ingrained now so this post comes to you with frequent fond glances to Venus. Tomorrow will be different :-) this is me being a sociable thelemite.

I also buy into the idea of the tarot as key to the tree of life so the thelemite scheme of using tarot cards to mark the years is purely one of practical benefit to the aspirant - you get a whole year to contemplate a pair of tarot cards. These things take time! So why not?
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:20 / 26.03.05
jorjun:

the more tools we have, the more varied the paradigms from which we draw, the more that we include in our workings of the great ephemeral currents, the stronger and more robust they become. So many of these systems communicate much in common - so as to include our fictions, mythologies and technologies.

why call it a distraction? the Mayan creation myth begins with death, and includes a tale of the Tree of Life.

distraction? that's what facts are for? Monoculture, and the quick eschewing of the unfamiliar doesn't strengthen our position.

or so I figure.

tenix
 
 
Bruno
09:11 / 15.04.05
I read a good article by William Burroughs about the Mayan calender (3 calenders?), how it was used by the priest caste to predict the behaviour of the peasants and control them, it's in "The Job". It's social engineering today, e.g. in feb, in shops everything is pink with hearts, banners on google say 'order presents for your valentine' or some shit like that. So everyone's concentration point moves in that direction. And we can be controlled easily with the love & loneliness control button. Also Xmas, Olympics, royal weddings, TV and news events, religious days, bank holidays, sales, sep 11th, etc.

In general about calenders, I think they're control mechanisms and that except for (a)night/day (rotation of earth), (b)the seasons (tilt of earth) and (c)the year (circle of earth), the rest are arbitrary, right? The week could be any length of time, it's not based on correlation with nature. Why do we have seven days? Is it babylonian?

Under capitalism money is god, and money is accumulated time, quantified time, its working hours; there's no cross on big ben, it is a big clock. Is there some magical or ley line significance to grenwich? Also what are the 24 hours, when did people divide the day into 24 sections that also seems arbitrary.

Anyone have links for the 12 , 7, 24, 60 significance of units of time? Numerology or whatever it is? Is it still relevent or is it an old system with no real meaning today?

On what you wrote tenix, I dont understand a lot of it, I'm sorry. What do you mean by 'manifestation'? What is a 'magnitude of time'?

The lunar and solar correlation makes more sense than our silly calender. But good luck in reforming it.
It makes a lot of sense that the 12 month progression is tied to agriculture, persefone going to the underworld and coming back and all of that.

I agree 100% about liberating the brain with time, yeah that is what I'm talking about man. "living without dead time". I had experiences for a while when I was in more than one time at once, not seeing reality double or anything though, just experiencing feelings again. Music does that stuff, i make music with looping samples, breakbeats, so time is the actual instrument rather than the sampler. That can be abused too, listening to the same loop for too long can put you in a trance that takes a while to get out of, you escape the moment and are dissonant to it, do and say the wrong things.
Also going back to childhood moments but its dangerous, if you get stuck you can get obsessed. Happened to me for a while. Don Juan talks about some of this stuff. Have you read Dune, where he describes the prescience visions? Thats heavy stuff.

What do you mean with the term time travel?
 
 
jorjun
12:37 / 16.04.05
There are 7 days of the week because there are 5 'wandering stars'* visible to the naked eye + Sol and Luna.

24 hours of the day is a number with excellent properties since it subdivides very nicely into whole portions, eg. it divides cleanly by 2,3,4,6,8,12.

Also concerning year length - an early practical figure for the this was 360 days, again with good numerical properties. The Roman name Mithras numerates to 360, this spelling was later changed to Mithrais (365) when the calendar was more accurately observed.

* Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn
 
 
Joetheneophyte
15:07 / 17.04.05
not that this is related as such but I have had some pretty impressive results with utilising the help of Fotamecus

there are many threads on here about Fotamecus but a brief overview is that some Chaos Magician created an entity called Fotamecus to counteract 'objective time' and allow the practitioner to ask for time to be stretched or compacted dependant upon the macician's wishes

One thing led to another and through free floating gnosis at a Metallica concert (allegedly) the newly formed Servitor became a Egregore or a Uber powerful Servitor at least (I apologise to Gypsey and others on here, I am just quoting what I read and I am in no position to comment on the validity of the concepts or the ideas espoused here)


Anyway, I have utilised Fotamecus's sigil and asked for help and I have definately experienced time being compressed as a result. I once walked from my home to my parents....a walk that usually takes about 1 hour ten minutes to 1:15

I drew the Fotamecus sigil on my feet and asked for help in making it a shorter journey

I arrived there in about 55 minutes-60, which quite impressed me as I had never consciously wlked any faster or taken any different route
Another time a colleague was moaning about her shopping trip. I gave her Fotamecus sigil and asked her how she would feel if the trip took less time

On the following monday, she told me that her usual two hour shopping trip had taken one and a half hours and she had even taken time out to look at the clothes in the supermarket, something she doesn't usually do

She was impressed and thinks I am weird as a result (rather than the usual reasons why people think I am weird)

Anyway, sorry for diverting the thread but it was tentatively touched upon by the idea of subjective and 'objective ' time

try Fotamecus. A websearch should produce his sigil easy enough (it is quite nice and would make a nice adornment)

Personally, I have been most impressed. Nothing to the claims of the original Fotamecus creators but impressive nonetheless


GOOD LUCK AND NICE EXPERIENCES

Joe
 
 
Bruno
22:45 / 17.04.05
Thanks for the information jorjun.

There are 7 days of the week because there are 5 'wandering stars'* visible to the naked eye + Sol and Luna.

Questions:
Do we know when the weeks 'started' (like the years 'start' in 1 AD or 0 BC or whatever it is)?
Which culture began the 7 day cycle, is it babylonian? egyptian? Or dont we know?
Have saturday and sunday always been associated with 'days off', when did the week become linked to working days?
 
  
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