BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


LHP mysticism?

 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
07:35 / 10.03.05
Taking a definition of LHP as meaning self-deification and antinomianism, most magickal thought in this field seems to be with regard to results magick.

But what about LHP mysticism / self-liberation / personal development? I heard that tantric yoga can be pretty LHP as defined above, as can Gurdjieff's Fourth Way. But does the notion of self-deification contradict that of mysticism?

Its an area in which I am interested, anyone else know much about it / point me in the right direction?

Much appreciated
MZ.
 
 
Salamander
12:52 / 10.03.05
Both lead to the same place, If the Kia, Kether, All Father, whatever, is all things, does that not make the self Deity? And if you truely worship yourself, will you not come respect all other things in the end? No man is an Island, complete unto himself...
 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
07:39 / 11.03.05
Yeh, totally see what you mean. To me though, mysticism means union with the divine, and in most traditions like Christianity, Buddhism, there is an emphasis on holiness before the divine (in whatever terms this is defined). This seems at odds with the primacy of the self.

I understand that Tantra Yoga is essentially a mystical path which emphasises self-liberation in an almost LHP manner, but I cant really find anywhere to get started on reading about it and how I might practise it. Anyone read The Yoga of Power by Julius Evola?
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:02 / 11.03.05
start here for tantra start with the tantric ritual section for a brief idea of the techniques involved.
 
 
Salamander
18:04 / 13.03.05
Quote: Yeh, totally see what you mean. To me though, mysticism means union with the divine, and in most traditions like Christianity, Buddhism, there is an emphasis on holiness before the divine (in whatever terms this is defined). This seems at odds with the primacy of the self.

Mind you I don't speak for all LHPer's in the world, yes, the RHP seeks to unify with the absolute, devine, whatever. But mysticism is not RHP or LHP, these are categories which are expressions of mysticism, as mysticism is defined thusly: A belief in the existence of realities beyond perceptual or intellectual apprehension that are central to being and directly accessible by experience. A sense of holiness is not so much at odds with the LHP as it is seen as misplaced by the LHP. But yes, mysticism as it is primarly defined in the english dictionary means union with the divine, the one above is the secondary definition, the LHP is definately about:

1. Becoming a God/Actualizing fully your Godhood
2. Going against the grain of social "norms", to understand and actualize the self, which is called antinomianism.
3. Bending the universe to the Will for the benefit of the self and its developement, which is generally called, "black" magick.

:whether or not mysticism plays a part in this is up to the individual. More info can be found HERE.
 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
10:11 / 14.03.05
But mysticism is not RHP or LHP, these are categories which are expressions of mysticism

This really sheds some light on it, thanks.. in fact I was recently thinking more about it and had come to this conclusion. My starting point for thinking on this probably comes from Christian upbringing - where any sense of being 'right' before God (evangelispeak) meant a certain amount of personal holiness (in reality a large list of things not to do), a complete contradiction to defining and developing one's self, something which just ended up making everyone carbon copies of one another

The idea that mysticism can still play a part in something more LHP and how this happens, is a bit new to some, an something which I am still working out.
 
 
Salamander
15:08 / 14.03.05
Yeah, me too. Most people assume because they are western LHP that mysticism is immediately mutually exclusive with this way, a side effect of LeVay and the CoS no doubt having a big influence since its inception. But the CoS didn't invent the western LHP, and how they describe it isn't the end all and be all of it.
 
  
Add Your Reply