BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Let's Talk About Dreams

 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
00:03 / 10.03.05
Haven't seen a topic like this in a while, so I thought I might as well start one.

Of course, I do have an ulterior motive. I had a very vivid dream last night of a very odd sort. As a bit of preamble, I have only once or twice had dreams that involved famous people, and never politicians. Which is why this dream struck me as so odd.

As I remember it, it involved a war zone. I was telling people that the fighting didn't matter, it didn't make sense, that there was a way for them to have peace. So somehow I got them to the table with, and I know how weird this next part sounds, Condaleeza Rice, and some other people who I think were also American. Rice told the leaders of the warring factions that she was going to unite them under a queen, to which I replied that a) queen is a title generally given to female hereditary monarchical leaders (somehow even in my dreams I'm a smart alec asshole), and b) imposing a monarchy on a country of warring factions makes absolutly no sense. At that point I was promptly ejected from the room, with, I think, a comment to someone nearby that I thought it very odd that the President hadn't said a word about this.

Then there was something about avoiding paying fares on the TTC (Toronto subway system) by riding on the underside of subway cars, and some weird group of talking ghost dog hobos that lived in the end cars of the train, but I think that was totally unrelated.

What about the rest of you? Care to share a very vivid dream you had lately? Care to speculate on what it might have meant, or ask folks if they can think of what it might mean?
 
 
electric monk
02:33 / 10.03.05
Bard, you wicked wicked person. Tempting me like this.

I think that when we encounter well-known people in dreams, it's because we've built up some type of symbolic structure around that personality. We build our own Tarot in dreams and the people, places and things are our Major and Minor Arcana. Looks like you drew a queen.

I doubt we'll get any type of consensus about meaning, but it could be constructive to open our packs of symbols and compare and contrast. I have a lot of war zone dreams myself. They usually spring up when I'm under stress, especially work-related stress.

From my dreamblog cuz I'm a whore

February 16, 2005
Love (is the Law) and Rockets
From 2/5

"Kiernan Crowley's written a new tell-all bio. I see it on the way to a Japanese bay where they launch the huge space-faring rockets."

Kiernan Crowley does not exist, but in the dream I recognized the name as both writer and progeny of Aleister Crowley who was, from what I understand, one fine Kabbalist. So naturally, this led me to consider my dream in light of the Tree of Life.

The rockets felt like the central element to this dream. I recall crowds of people slowly making their way toward the gates and anticipating the trip to space. This sparked thoughts of the 32nd path on the Tree. This path connects Malkuth (the Kingdom) with Yesod (the Foundation). Malkuth is associated with the Earth while Yesod is associated with the Moon and dreams. This path, lowest on the Tree, is the first step up the tree from the sticking clay of Malkuth. It is the rocket from the Earth to the Moon, the conveyance to other worlds. It's Tarot card is XXII, The Universe, which represents wholeness, completion and oneness. I think of Path 32 as representative of both the first movement of Man toward God and final emanation of God into the world of Man. It's also associated with The Universe card of the Tarot. So everyone's excited to see the Universe? Hmmm.

Recently, I made a set of flash cards for the major correspondences of the Sephiroth of the Tree. For the last two weeks, I've had card #10 (Malkuth) at my desk at work leaning up against my monitor. In this way, I can use the few idle moments when my computer is printing or saving a file to memorize a correspondence or two. This week and next, it's Yesod.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:44 / 10.03.05
I've been slacking on my ritual work since I've gotten sick again (vibrating words of power + headcold = spinnyspinny), so lately I started performing the LBRP in my dreams, instead. Last night I was doing it "astrally" in a crowded shop, and got Very Angry when someone put their hand on my shoulder and interrupted me (I think I hit them and told them to "sit in that chair and don't fucking move."). Sometime before(?) this I was setting up a sniper post along a road, to shoot someone in a procession.

I have several recurring dream settings, and some broad "themes." Downtown of the city where I grew up, with some added dream features, is fairly frequent, as is an enormous version of a nearby shopping mall. I often explore extra floors in friend's houses (accessed through secret doors).

One usually ultra-vivid recurring element is entering another world through a trapdoor in a closet. I always wake up from those with a sense of loss (like I left something behind in the dream).

I've had lengthy dream discussions with various real-life people (J. Balance, Orson Welles, Crowley, etc.), but I can almost never remember more than the vaguest sense of what we talked about.

~L
 
 
Salamander
13:12 / 10.03.05
I always dream of flying, its my only reaccuring dream. There's no particular reason that I fly, I just do, for fun I guess. This always seems to me to symbolize Atu 7, the chariot.

To quote Aln Moores Promethea:

Promethea:So, now we're at the point where early man has multiplied and gone forth... around the tribal hunter-gatherer stage of developement.

Mike: Ah, Yes! Each huddled little band,
without a scheme, with nothing planned,
no path, nor vehicle to convey
your species on its destined way!

Mac: Nothing to guide them save the things
in their shamans drugged mutterings
as he goes where the gods abide
with vision's CHARIOT to ride!

Mike: (or, if the thought offend you less,
to higher planes of consciousness.)
he plumbs uncharted mental spaces
as card seven, six replaces!

Mac: Whilst he rides upwards see him sup
the soul's wine from his holy cup:
Ambrosia, nectar, soma, these swill through our myths and histories

Mike: Research suggests
that all these brews
were psychedelic mushroom stew!
These magic potions, it appears,
perhaps gave dawnman big ideas!

Mac: Maths, language, art, society,
how did such notions come to be?
Were they inspired by visions spied
upon the shamans chariot ride?

Mike: It seems that,
in the last result,
all culture must arise from cult.
The chariot rolls, and, as it goes,
mankinds route to future shows!

:this makes me wonder, has anyone tried to achieve higher states of consciousness through there dreams? No need for psychedelics, has anyone just gone to higher planes just in there dreams? Or do we all for the most part stay in Yesod? Next time I try to fly in my dreams, I think I'll see if I can't go to the Celestial Abodes.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:15 / 10.03.05
I was setting up a sniper post along a road, to shoot someone in a procession.

In Dallas?

Apologies to those who already read this dream account in my LJ, but I have some theories about it now:

We are going to the movies and trying to avoid the werewolves. Their numbers are increasing, and people think there is some connection with all the UFO sightings that are happening lately. We get to the parking lot at the movie theater, which is over a cliff, and we are sitting on the front bumper looking at the stars and the lights of the town down below. A saucer suddenly appears overhead and veers towards us. "Look out," I say, pointing at it. "I don't think they're looking for me." But then the searchlight points me out and the saucer dips closer. I try to hide between the cars, not scared so much as nervous. The saucer bobs up and down, trying to get a fix on me, then flies away. We go in and watch the movie, which is actually half live theater, and watch the parade of movie characters afterward coming out of the parking garage. The parade includes most of the cast of the Wizard of Oz. On the way home, we run into large contingents of the still-growing army of werewolves and have to take evasive action. We go to a restaurant and eat, and circulate to chat with other locals, trying to make a plan. It's like a siege. The UFO's are apparently abducting people and turning them into werewolves. Over half the town is now trying to eat the other half. We don't have enough weapons. We have lots of red wine, though, and at least the calamari is good...

The first thing I noticed about this one is the sheer number of liminal elements. Werewolves being on the boundary between man and beast, movies/plays being halfway between fantasy and reality (and this one in particular being half filmed and half live), streets and parking lots being halfway between origin and destination, cliffs being the edge that separates up from down, alien spaceships being the conduit between the familiar and the unknown. The parking garage, theater and restaurant were all dark and cavelike, caves being places of initiation and the metaphorical womb of the earth; also the entrance to the Otherworld, so again with the liminality. The entire dream was spent in a state of suspension, traveling, evading, waiting, and watching, without any real acts of volition being carried out. I was a passive spectator in my own dream.

(In passing, I should mention that werewolves, alien spacecraft, and traveling in cars are very common in my dream landscape, so this was in some ways a pretty typical dream.)

I think this may have been my subconscious pointing out that I spend all my time wanting something to happen, or for my life to change, but I don't do anything to make that take place. Even worse, when an opportunity for change comes - when the metaphorical aliens try to pick me up, or the werewolves move in - I get nervous, avoid them, evade them, make excuses, and go on passively living my life. Then I wonder why nothing interesting ever happens.

On the bright side, the liminality may indicate that I'm on the threshhold of change. I just have to let the aliens pick me up (or confront the werewolves, jump off the cliff, leave the car, walk into the play...)
 
 
Skeleton Camera
13:39 / 10.03.05
I've been slacking on my ritual work since I've gotten sick again (vibrating words of power + headcold = spinnyspinny), so lately I started performing the LBRP in my dreams, instead.

I've had great success performing astral banishings, just before slipping into or leaving a trance state.

In Dallas?

Texas IS the reason, L.

Ok, off-tangent. My dreamlife has been lax as of late, but warzones have been the site of two of my most present, spatial dreams. Once the zone was a futuristic Vietnam setting. The second dream, which was more detailed and vivid, took place in a ruined German city during WWII. Both dealt with love: the first, my loving a woman from the enemy camp, the second, loving a woman for whose affections I was competing with another soldier. It sounds a lot cheezier than it was to experience and I woke from both having a sense of just missing something, being thrown into another world prematurely.
(And now, as I write this, last night's dream comes flooding back... that and the left-hand writing upon waking... but the setting is unfamiliar...a collage of friends' apartments and a rural, or semi-rural, location without particular definition.)
These collages are the stuff of early-morning dreams, just before waking, and I don't give them much significance as I can always track down their various sources (films, memories, literary imagery etc). This may be a disservice, though, as there may be meaning in the arrangement.
 
 
gale
19:38 / 10.03.05
I have dreams in which I am either driving or walking on an impossibly narrow, impossibly high bridge--ALWAYS over water. Sometimes it's sunny, sometimes it's a moonlit night.

These dreams are frightening but extremely enjoyable. Dreaming is also a good way for me to get answers, especially from entities who maybe can't communicate so easily during waking life. Actually, it's probably me who can't communicate with them.
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:59 / 11.03.05
Two vivid dreams (had these several years ago but still remember them clearly).

1. I'm younger and home alone in one of the many houses that I lived in as a child. I'm in the front room watching television when there is a knock at the door. I look towards the front door, which has glass panels, and see the shadow of a large man there. I go into the kitchen, at the front of the house, and look out of the window to see who is there. A tall man, completely pale and blank faced, is staring in the window at me. I jump and hide low down. I crawl out of the kitchen and head for the stairs up to the bedrooms. As I pass the front door, I am aware that the man is looking in the letterbox. I run upstairs and hide in the walk in closet in my sisters room (where we store junk rather than her clothes). I hide behind a box and a fold-up camp bed (I'm now aware that I'm getting younger). I here the man come into the house and make his way upstairs, he enters my sisters room, opens the closet door, turns on the light, and is just about to find me (by this stage I'm practiacally a baby) when I wake up.

2. In another house. The world has been over run by H R Giger style Aliens. They are shipping people in automated trucks for farming purposes. I'm alone on one side of the estate that this house is on. On the other side, past a truck run, is a house that is relatively safe (the aliens are UV sensitive, and this house has UV lights around it). I make a run for it, dodging aliens and trucks, and make it safely to the house. A lot of my friends are there. Suddenly there is a powercut, and the UV lights are lost. The house is swarmed with aliens. Myself and a group of friends make it up stairs and into a room. There is a piano in the room. I"m holding the door as aliens bang and push agianst it, and ask a couple of my friends to push the piano over to the door to barricade it. They start to, but then stop, asking 'what's the point?'. One of them sits down at the piano and starts playing, I'm suprised by this, and then the door shatters and I am overrun by aliens, and then I wake up.

I too have sniper style dreams - re-occuring. Often it is WWII machine gun nest type stuff, which goes on for some time, shooting wave after wave of soldiers.

AN old dream from when I was a kid saw me plan a robbery on Janaway's toy shop in the Arndale Centre, Wandsworth (this is going back to when I was about 7 or 8). The dream was like a heist movie, planning the robbery, some double cross, but the job went off successfully. It was so vivid that the first thing I did upon waking was check under the bed, where I had hidden the toys I'd stolen.

Most of my dreams are very cinematic in composition, and often I am not in them for the whole thing, just scenes.
 
 
iamus
12:38 / 11.03.05
Hmmm, odd one last night.

I was about eight years old and me and my friends were trying to get somewhere for which we were underage. To do this we came up with the idea of standing on each others shoulders and putting on a long coat (When this happened, I was just me, not a combination of others).

We got to the place, which was a dark, nasty, massive underground room. I stood at the entrance on a raised platform that ran along the middle of one wall. The rest of the room was a pit full of scorpions, the black walls were inscribed with indeciferable writing. Lamps shaped like skulls, dripping with wax from the candles they held, were spaced across the wall. Real Indiana Jones shit.

The platform was like a queue. The exit was at the other end and many other people who had made their way here were standing in procession as they made their way along. I was outfitted with a long, red robe.

In the middle of the scorpions were several groups of people; rings of adepts surrounding groups of newbies like myself undergoing an initiation. The adepts were in an ecstatic state, dancing around mostly naked except for their red nappy things, certainly barefoot. The scorpions were held at bay just through this state of mind.

I was pretty aprehensive about all of this, but was told that because I'd turned up, I now had to do the initiation too.

I looked back out at the rings. The adepts were now coated in wax which protected from scorpion stings. The newbies were raised up in the centre of the adepts, I couldn't tell if they were floating there or just held but they were in a trance state that was tied in with the elevation. As they reached the peak, they fell again. One of them at the edges fell out towards the scorpions, but was easily caught by the adepts. He freaked a bit, but it was clear that this was all part of the adepts' ritual.

I made it along to the exit, where I was led into a normal room with couches where other would-be initiates were waiting. They were all normal people like artists and buisnessmen/women. I got talking to two of them nearby me, I think about why they were here, though I can't really remember. I was now feeling confident about the whole ritual, invoking my own empowering rituals and trusting in the skill and experience of the adepts, who were doing all the real work here.

I was led outside, into a normal back garden. I wondered what all the neighbours must think seeing hordes of red robed people taking part in dark rituals every night. I wandered back in but went in the wrong door into a classy Chinese resteraunt. The woman that run it didn't seem to like it one bit. She asked my what would happen if she took me inside and phoned my mother. Would she approve? I asked her what would happen if she took me inside her house against my will and I phoned the police on her. Would they approve? She let me go.

Back in the scorpion room, I was a little late and had to quickly find my way into a group getting ready to move out into the pit.

Unfotunately and rather anti-climactically. I don't remember the actual ritual. Aftwards though, I drove one of the women I met home. I thought it was fascinating that places like this existed right in the middle of everything else going on around them, without everyone else noticing. She agreed. As she got out of the car, I split back into eight year olds, the others sitting in the back. I tried to drive the car out into heavy traffic. I had no idea what I was doing.
 
 
iamus
13:41 / 11.03.05
Oh and Salamander, I don't know if this is quite what you mean, but I had a dream that I posted here, which might be along those lines.

(Just for those who might be a little wary of my head after that last one)
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
03:40 / 12.03.05
Funny story:

Thursday, my last dream of the night was of me working in the restaraunt I'm employed at. This isn't all that unusual. I was trying to make our balsamic salmon, I was frying the salmon, I was sauteeing the spinach and tomato concasse...and couldn't find the balsamic. I found it, I think, woke up...

...and stared at my clock, to see that I was a half hour late for work. Sons of bitches made me work in my dreams, made me late for physical work, and didnt even pay me a dime for my oneiromantic labours.
 
  
Add Your Reply