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doozy floop
12:46 / 03.03.05
I'm applying for funding from the AHRB under their "Research Preparation Master's Scheme" and have Very Little Time to get the whole thing dancing. I am also horrified by the reams of notes they produce to help with the filling out of the forms, and by the fact that everything has to be done electronically but they still want me to tick some boxes and I just can't find a way to make Word do ticks.......

Anyway, does anyone have words of wisdom as far as this whole funding thing goes? I'm struggling to decide who my referees should be, as I've only got an undergraduate degree a few years ago as a source of academic people and a whole load of profoundly irrelevant HR managers since.

I'm also worried about the supporting statement bit, particularly because they seem to want an awful lot of detail about a dissertation that doesn't exist yet except as a hazy notion in the dark recesses of my mind. Should I just make something up? Would they make me stick to it? Will they come round to my house and point and laugh at me in the dead of night if I don't work out how to tick the boxes??

Should I really be worrying so much as it's very unlikely I'll get anything from them anyway???
*sob*
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:56 / 03.03.05
Is this part 1 of the new 1+3 track awards? Good luck...

I don't really have any advice to offer, as I have been rejected twice by the AHRB (once for an old Master's award, once for the doctoral award). Just to remember that they do have many more applicants than awards, and a rejection doesn't mean you're not good enough to do the course. And they do make mistakes (I like to think, at any rate). And you can re-apply, though it would be best to revise your proposal if you do so... bulk it up with evidence of secondary reading, maybe? They like it when you put your work in the context of your discipline, I'm told.

And! There are other ways and means of doing this sort of thing. I am currently in the first year of a part-time MPhil/PhD, which I am funding through my part-time wages, other private research stuff which I do on top, a scholarship I was lucky enough to win, etc. We'll see whether I ever finish it. I'll never be able to buy a house, but then in about 2 years' time no one else will either...

Referees from your undergrad degree should be fine, I reckon.
 
 
Psi-L is working in hell
13:08 / 03.03.05
I've only had the similar experience of having to apply to the +3 part of the ESRC PhD funding scheme, but its pretty similar. Unfortunately KCC is right that the competition for AHRB funding is higher than any of the other research councils...so if you don't get it, don't be put off....it's a numbers game.

As for the personal statement, I agree with Kit-Cat in my experience the research councils do look for evidence that you've looked into what you might want to do. Given that its a Research Training Masters, I doubt they are expecting you to know exactly what it is, but giving them an idea of the areas you are interested in, some references of what you've read, to give them an idea of where you are coming from and what knowledge you already have of the field would be a good idea.
 
 
Ex
13:12 / 03.03.05
Do it! Don't worry about it. It is, if you get the money, the least work you could do for that amount of cash, and any part-time job will be more effort. It's worth a few days of flattering people and cudgeling your brain (NB don't get those two confused).

I've been told, and haven't had it proved wrong, that you need to prove three things for the AHRB: That you (1) are the right person to do (2) the right project in (3) the right place. In as far as you are able, for (1) if you can show a personal history of interracting successfully eiththe subject matter, you're onto a good thing. For (3) if you can make an egregiously clunky reference to an archive or resource that you're going to need to be using that is at the place you want to study, or a particular research centre, seminar series or module that will be essential, you're also quids in. (2) is sticky, but it's the thing people usually spend most time thinking about, so I thought it was worth sticking it in context.

Go for it! They give you a load of money. Also:

they seem to want an awful lot of detail about a dissertation that doesn't exist yet except as a hazy notion in the dark recesses of my mind. Should I just make something up? Would they make me stick to it?

This shouldn't deter you at all. (Unless something has radically changed in the last eight years. Check all this with a member of your proposed department also.) Wait while I wipe away the smeary dust from my memories of young freshfaced Ex and see what I put on my AHRB MA application. Ah, yes: my dissertation was going to be 'on the cultural construction of normality'.

So I've just finished an undergraduate degree in sheep- and stoner-watching, and I was going to definitively sort out in a 20,000 word MA thesis how we, culturally, define ‘normal’. Derrida must have been shitting himself.

I hope it amused the AHRB board. In the end, I whittled it down to looking at the power-feminist repackaging of Mills and Boon romances in the late eighties and early nineties. I like to think that if you read between the lines, you can tell that I have a thorough handle on the construction of normality, but just didn't want to show off, or make the Frankfurt School cry.
Nobody called me on the huge gap between my original proposal and the result, or came round to repossess my brain, or even asked to see the result, as far as I know, although the merciless bastards did ask that I jot “Thanks, AHRB!” on the acknowledgements page of my thesis. I imagine it gets a bit more rigorous as you crawl up the funding ladder, and they hold you to your promises.
Your ideas will always change in the eight months of an MA before the thesis, or there wouldn’t be any point in doing the middle bit. If you use the proposal as a useful place to jot down some ideas; by the time you come back to it, it’ll be handy as a mental place-marker, or, as in my case, a laugh.
 
 
doozy floop
13:52 / 03.03.05
Thank you all for your advice. I am feeling slightly more prepared. Slightly. I know the chances are slim of squeezing any money out of them and I'm prepared to pay for it myself (I'm going to be staying in my current job while I do it anyway)(unless of course the AHRB give me millions of pounds, in which case my employers can take their job and stick it up their collective bottom) so I won't cry too much if they spurn me. Anyway, a friend of mine says you haven't really lived til you've had a rejection letter from the AHRB. It's like bungee jumping, apparently.

Oddly, I hadn't even thought of banging on about things I've already read/done/seen that relate closely to my proposed subject, but now you mention it of course it's a good idea. They probably say that in their form-filling-out notes somewhere, *sigh*. I promise I'll read those notes tonight but I think I might need to wash it down with a large vodka.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:21 / 03.03.05
I'm one of the 'rejection from AHRB' in crowd so I don't know how much use my advice will be.

But I wish I'd has Ex's post before I filled in my forms.

Another repeat of the 'don't worry too much about your proposal outline' advice. They want to see that you have some clear ideas about what you want to research and why.

They aren't going to hold you to it and are well aware that the breadth, and even the focus, of what you're considering changes radically over the course of an MA. That's partly what it's *for*

Apply for the money in the spirit of 'if i get it, great'.

On my MA of about 30, there were only 4 AHRB funded people, and that was apparently pretty high. Everyone else got the money together somehow, and most of us did pretty good work/several went on to PhDs. (I got a place, and part-funding for one. Not that I lasted long, but that was for different reasons.)


Oh, and when you've recovered from this form, get another large voddy down yr neck and go check out the Grants Register

You can find it in any decent-sized public/all academic libraries. It's an off-puttingly enormous tome, but basically is a list of all non govt. grants for higher study in the UK.

It covers trusts, bequests, all sorts of obscure stuff. And if you find something, it may be so obscure/specific that you're a shoe-in for it.

That was my experience. I'm not pretending they weren't the three most boring days of my life, but plodding through it, i found a bequest that might as well have had my name on it. Something about 'an award for women from x county of x ethnic origin doing arts postgrad work'.

Which paid for my fees.


Oh, and if you get the funding, post here so we can throw rocks at you
 
 
Loomis
14:22 / 03.03.05
they still want me to tick some boxes and I just can't find a way to make Word do ticks

Right click on the box and select "properties". Then you will see an option for "checked". Click on that and you're done.
 
 
doozy floop
14:58 / 03.03.05
Oh, and when you've recovered from this form, get another large voddy down yr neck and go check out the Grants Register

That looks like one quite fabulous book. I will investigate, although I rather suspect that neither I nor my subject are rare enough to land us a lovely big award all to ourselves. Still, I'd take fifty quid and be grateful at the moment...


Right click on the box and select "properties". Then you will see an option for "checked". Click on that and you're done.

This is the first part of the test, I just know it... They're text boxes, not sort of proper ticky-boxes, if you know what I mean. I've been using crosses instead of ticks, but I feel like I'm not following instructions and we all know you lose marks when you don't follow instructions. Maybe all you need to do to get money is work out the ticks??
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:49 / 03.03.05
Garh, well how about in Word:
>Insert
>Symbol (using the normal set)
>scroll through the symbols till you get to that mathematical ones, there's a ticky-type thing in there?

Still, I'd take fifty quid and be grateful at the moment

That's the spirit. With the GR, most of them don't preclude you applying for other grants, I know quite a few people who pieced together a respectable sum, with a few hundred from various grants... And you never know, re the specificity. Eg, if yr names' Dave and you live in Manchester, it's not entirely ludicrous that hidden somewhere in the GR is a fund fro Daves from Manchester...
 
  
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