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Scrambled Password Bogus Email
17:16 / 16.06.05
Hehe. Oh yeah. That's really beautifully written LVX, and so so so familiar.

The work just passed was exactly as you described as reagrds the Earth Mother...I had an incredibly ancestral journey which culminated in my being accepted back into the womb of Mother Earth, making love to the planet, and having a baby, which was me, reborn. It was so incredible.

Sunday was a White Work, meaning everyone wheres all white, except the ladies, who wore these white dresses with green sash decorations and diamonte crowns as befits amazonian princesses.

It was San Antonio's day, and thanks to some off board discusssion with Gypsy Lantern, I was lead to investigate some of the syncretic associations of this particluar Saint in African religions, many of which are practiced throughout Brazil. And my goodness me, were they ever present on the day.

I'm still not quite ready to go into the experience yet, I need a few more days to let it integrate into my self. Funny enough, this thread has been read by a few of the peeps at the work, some first timers, who Googled [xxxxx], and hey presto, this thread is right there on the first page, which made me smile...

Ancestry, ancestry, ancestry. It was all about ancestry. My forefathers and mothers, and their significance in my current manifestation.

As well as that, I had a retinue of elven beauties, think Salma Hayek, Kylie Minogue, Halle Berry, and awhole host of international flavours as rendered by Pixar through the lens of a manga cartoon attending to my every psychic whim throughout the whole day. Literally, like a King I was! These little hyperelves could not do enough for me, no task was too great, no wish too much for them to fulfil. And how they giggled and winked and played.

Yeah, right. I WISH, right? Still, there they were.

And A pinkish/purple light came and made friends with me right early on, a small playful glowing ord, no bigger than a drawing pin (thumb tack for our American counterparts), and as playful as Tinkerbell, endlessly dancing around me, and zooming through me and leading me down a particular path (of the many I could see). It went away occasionally, but always returned, as playful as ever, as if it insisted on being my friend no matter what...

I had made the error of going to the gym in a bad mood the day before, and had overdone it...So I had a very quiet work in terms of dancing and joining in...I had to do vast amounts of yoga and sretching and supplication on the floor to heal my body...And this was what the pink light effectively lead me too - the knowledge that these plants ARE TEACHERS and all you have to ask is the most simple question, the most basic request, the most humble enquiry:

Please, give me clarity, and help me to heal.

Only that. That is all that need be asked, and it will be given. Clarity and healing. See, if you need to understand how to integrate perfectly with your environment, there seem to be two essential steps.
One, understand that the division is false: You are your environment are one thing, arising always and already.
Two, ask your environment.

Imbibing this bark and leaf from the cradle of life on this planet, in a remote area of the Amazon basin, in a dense Jungle which is pure life, this potion which has been made with pure intent over many moons in specific and magickal tradition for centuries, and which is brought with a sysxtem of incantationa nd music to protect and guide the purge and the healing session is a very effective way of surrendering your self to the wisdom of your environment. It is a method of shutting down the ego, removing the armour, and allowing a pure knowing into the body - not the 'mind' (tit bon ange, thanks Gypsy), the body, which IS the Mind (gwo bon ange).

And [xxxxx], the drink, is the Mother. She is Divine, and Beautiful and I love Her, deeply. The entire process is the most important thing that has ever happened to me....I feel like a little kid, it's what I always hoped being a grown up would be like - a regiment of wizards and witches with a time and space machine healing the Universe. OK, it's not a DeLorean. Or a machine at all. Its a plant technology. But it is technology, a subtle and ancient technology for travelling time and space and healing thyself. Which is the same thing as healing the Universe. I mean, you have to start somewhere, right?

I have also discovered the Father, as far as I can tell. I'm not going to go into it until I have taken the journey, which I am going to do this year. Something else. Another plant technology, this one the Daddy to the womb of the [xxxxx]. It's a big undertaking, I have to go to another country, but I have met the Shaman who is going to take me, and got the comlete rundown on what is involved, and I'm there...soon. No doubt I'll be back here to discuss when it happens.

Anyway, it looks like I'm going into it in spite of myself, so I may as well continue!

I was up at the crack of dawn on the Sunday, 5 am, as I was babysitting a friends little 7 month old, and he woke up at 3 am and 5 am. Not ideal, but thems the breaks. I steamed some broccoli and had it for breakfast, which as it turned out was not the wisest of choices. Brrrrp.

I did plenty yoga, a complete run through of my asanas, and also some prayers / appeals to the sensibilities of San Antoniio and his syncretic lwa in Vodoun, Papa Legba. Thanks to the esteemed Mr. Lantern from these very hallowed halls, I had been inspired to investigate our Papa, and found him to be extremely relevant to my journey, so I had decided to give him appropriate offerings, and keep him in mind. I even brought his Veve to the work, as an invitation.

Legba, since he often appears with a dog, is also associated with the Fool in the Tarot, and the Fool is Aleph in the Hebrew gematria. Aleph is, among other things, 831, the sun, the moon and the stars, and 61, Air, the life breath. Interesting.

My I Ching produced a changing situation this time, my first, ritualised as ever casting producing 39, Obstruction with a moving first line transforming to 63, After Completion

My meditations on this made great sense, particularly as Huang, my favoured divination text, has different translations to the Wilhelm classic which is copied in those links. Still, they cover the same general ground.

Arriving at the work, it was huge, the biggest ever that I have been party to. About 90 people were there, roughly evenly distributed, though perhaps a few more men than women. People from all walks of life, and many different nationalities.

We drank more tea than I've ever drank before, this was the longest work yet, the actual work itself lasting 8 hours. Twice I went for two drinks consecutively, gulp, wait 5 minutes, gulp again, on top of the 4 actual rounds that we all had. Again, some of this [xxxxx] was almost fizzy, so so bitter like vinegar that had been carbonated. I had the most wholesome purgation, right through to the distant dusty corners of my system, every single poison in my body flushed through by this frankly enormous dose of sacrament.

As i said, I had to do a lot of physical work outside of the dancing apparatus this time...I silently vowed to never again abuse my body in anger the way I had done the previous day. I had to spend a lot of time on my knees, head on the floor, arms out in front, or occasionally tucked back by my ankles, rooting myself to Mother Earth. That is something I really got fromt his session - be more like a plant. Be more like a plant. Rooted. Stretching towards the light, against the flow of gravity, while utilising that downwards pull to root deep deep in the Beautiful Planet. Roots and Stretching. Be a plant.

The music was even greater than 'usual' (hah) if such a thing is possible. I spent a long time next to a particularly badass percussionist, digging his rhythmic flow intensely.

I was deeply in my body and less cosmic, more Earthbound than in any previous work...As I mentioned up post, I was intensely journeying through my ancestry, and pondering the meaning of that...The hinario, the prayer book, we were using has a picture on the front of the current patron of the moviement, holding a picture of his father, who, in the picture, is holding a picture of his father, who was the founder of the movement, Irineu, the ruuber tapper who was introduced to the drink while working in the forests. The legacy has been habded down father to son ever since, and in the background of this incredible picture, like a mirror reflecting a mirror, stretching back through begingless time the forest itself. I went deep deep down that road, and plan to investigate my ancestry as deeply and thoroughly as I can.

Not much more to add this time round. The feast was awesome, moreso than ever before, beautiful beautiful food, all vegetaruan organic fruits, shoots, seeds, salads, cakes and breads and sauces and soups. Yummy. I met some beautiful new people, some of them live right near me, so I hope to see them again, I have started to get to know some really good good friends from this experience, in which much of the usual bullshit is way out of the way before you get to ask anyone's name!

Peace, Strength, Love and Light to you all.


(*) [redacted]
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
17:52 / 16.06.05
One little extra thing...That process, that supplication to a higher authority, that acceptance of (ego) death and the subsequent transformation of helplessness into studiousness is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't seem, to the mind, that helplessness is a good proposition. And the mind is convinced that that is what is in store...and, for it's own concerns, it is absolutely right.

But upon the acceptance, it immediately transforms from what it seemed it would be, helplessness, into knowing, and it is nothing to do with, is completely apart from, the mind. It's a wyrd thing, because it is helplessness for the thinking structure, which wants at all costs to be in charge, and retain control, and have the final word. It literally panics at the prospect of being fired/relegated, of being put back in its place and relinquishing control. But as soon as it happens, it's as if it was never there, and it seems petty and small and laughable, if incredibly tenacious. But instead of actual helplessness, there is knowing, and peace, and study of that state of being, and naturalness. Naturalness. Awakening, even.
 
 
LVX23
20:06 / 16.06.05
yeah it's like you're relinquishing personal control (which is always fallable and corrupt to some degree) to a much deeper, authentic, and ancient Will far more capable of keeping us wayward apes in line with the Truth.

The Jivaro ayahuascero's believe that the waking world is a dream and that the world of the aya is the true reality. And this was exactly my experience, like the veils had all been pulled aside to reveal the angelic gearworks churning ceaselessly to generate the field of time.

I've apprehended this notion through smoking DMT as well. I suspect that the harmala complex (caapi, syrian rue, etc...) contributes the interpersonal, trans-temporal, and ancient/ancestral/Gaian quality, while the DMT is the glimpse of heaven, timelessness, and superdimensional technology.

You're very fortunate to be a part of these ceremonies, money. Don't forget it.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
21:40 / 16.06.05
I know. Every experience is a such a huge flow of gratitude, for so many things.

It's everything I expect from a 'secret society'! Magical sacrament, crazy costumes, received music, bizarre ritual and a huge feast. Not to mention a glimpse into the unnameable. It couldn't be better if I'd imagined it all into being.

I feel blessed to have been able to return to something which I suspect our ancestors used as par for the course for guidance, to commune with their forebears and for knowledge of the world and the universe. I feel that we as a group are still only scraping the surface of what is possible with this technology. It's alive.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:54 / 17.06.05
One final word from Sunday's merriment, relevant because as I'm sure most of you know, Magic Mushrooms are about to be made Schedule 1 / Class A drugs in this country :

What kind of Dark Forces prohibit the personal choice to invite the Divine into your life?

Personal growth, self-help, therapy, self-improvement with a view to accumulate and conquer and consume and produce, these things are acceptable, encouraged, taught, promoted.

Deferral to a human authority telling you what God is and isn't, what you should and should not be doing in the service of Divinity, how to get your prayers answered for your self gratification, this is enshrined in not only our society, but, in spite of Henry VIII and the US constitution, our politics as well.

But actually inviting divinity to express through your consciousness by altering it with the use of botanical agents - they will throw you in a cage for 7 years or more if they catch you trying. Or, in other parts of the world, kill you.

Dark. Forces.

This world is being run by people, mostly men, who would deny Tao, God, Brahma, Life whatever you want to call it, any say so in the goings on in this world. They do not want you to find your own revelation. And that kind of throws a lot of myth into an interesting and topsy turvy light, as far as I can tell. It really does seem to be a Holy War, doesn't it?
 
 
LVX23
14:56 / 17.06.05
My take:

1) Psychedelics threaten priesthoods (which have A LOT of power on this planet). Why go to church to listen to someone else tell you about G_d when you can eat a sacrament and speak with Hir yourself? The power of the priesthood is as a mouth piece for divinity and as a gate before heavenly illumination.

2) Psychedelics threaten control structures (i.e. statehoods and economic systems). Big Biz/Big Gov wants everyone to march in step, work your meaningless jobs, consume product to fill the spiritual void, don't question law and authority, and always always fear The Other.

Yeah, it's a bummer that mushrooms are going sched 1 in UK (top o' the charts, baby!). They've been that way for ages here in the states. Just be thankful you're not Schapelle Corby or living in Indonesia.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
19:15 / 17.06.05
Jesus. 20 years.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
17:33 / 20.07.05
Strange.

There was a trabalho on Sunday. I decided I wasn't going to come back here, to this thread, but....here I am...I think for the last time. Funny, when I started this thread, I absolutely had to get this experience out of my memory and not just down, but down in a public forum. I wanted to, had to share it, and get some feedback, some dialogue. Barbelith is a remarkable community, and it was the right place for it, I think. Oddly enough, the first time I started a thread it sank like a stone...I suspect because I did not name the sacrament in the title, and it's an attention grabber. Anyway. We'll see. I feel that I've moved somewhere else, and the thread feels less attractive than it was at its inception. Less urgent, if you know what I mean.

In spite of this, due to the significance of the work just passed, I decided to come here and get it down.

Obviously, it's a week and a half since 55 people got slaughtered in London, and this weighed fairly heavy across the whole country, never mind in our hearts on the day.

I Ching, as ever. I was as ill prepared as the country itself on this occasion...in spite of my better judgement, skewed by a few drinks and a new song underway on Friday which seemed to want some late attention, I got high on El Coca. Stupid. Stupid stupid. Worked in the Lab until late, and yes, managed to nearly complete the track...but it was still stupid, unnecessary and lacking in attention. I knew I'd suffer for it.

Beautiful hot day Sunday. Too hot even. Usual ablutions, thorough wash, clean hair, no breakfast at all. Drank a litre or two of water. Incense (frankincense), three cones, and faced Spirit, North. Three coins, simple question: "Reveal the changes in which I travel".

Present situation : Chung Fu, Inner Sincerity. It's probably worth reading various translations of this if you can be bothered and want to know how I marched into battle this day. It made great sense, particularly the hole in the centre : the space, made by effortless inaction, beginners mind, to allow the truth to flow through. Bowing to the superior knowledge, forbearance toward inferior. Community interest at the heart of the meaning...Community. Much insight also from the David Allen Hulse book "The Eastern Mysteries", which gives insight into syncretic associations with the Sephiroth and planets...I don't have it handy to share - do your own research!

Huang, my chosen translation (though I usually check a few) insists that the mutual Gua is key to a rich understanding of the I Ching...I should also mention that I had three changing lines, line 1, 3 and 5...Huang states that to interpret so much change will only confuse and lead to lack of clarity, so in such a situation only the middle changing line should be consulted.

This gives interesting translations for Chung Fu...relating to pendulum-like oscillation from joy to sorrow unless one is rooted in ones own sincerity...if ones relationship to sincerity depends on others, then one is tossed on the fates...

Mutual Gua for 61 is Ji, Nourishment This spoke to me beautifully of my recent nonsense with El Coca and too much alcohol (which is always the precursor to really shit decisions for me)...plus my laziness in recently drifting back to cigarettes, though not badly. I knew my work was going to purge these demons. I knew it would also likely be quite nasty. Line 3 of Yi, Nourishment, "He who seeks nourishment that does not nourish reels from desire to gratification and in gratification craves desire. Mad pursuit of pleasure for the satisfaction of the senses never brings one to the goal. One should never (ten years is a complete cycle of time) follow this path, for nothing good can come of it." I was humbled already. I knew right action. I needed reminding, but I knew, I'd been lazy.

The future hexagram from my reading was 52, Keeping Still. I paid heed. Stillness, though not forced. No movement forward nor back, but rooted.

It was a much smaller work than previously, 40 people. Many newbies, maybe 15 in total. Some regular faces missing, others back.

I learned an important wisdom deeply at this trabalho..bringing expectations to the work is self-defeating, because they all have to be dismantled. This is pretty useful in everyday existence anyway. But it took a while for me to accept what actually was happening, instead of wondering why what I wanted to or hoped or expected to wasn't.

I have taken an previously unprecedented step of inviting someone to the work, and this also preoccupied me quite alot...I spent a large amount of time trying to imagine what it would feel like if I was not me, spinning off from this third person perspective, and what this person thinks of the whole thing (they were not there, but I had seen them a few days earlier, and we spoke of it)...It was very internal...Extremely...and there was a heaviness, a dislocation of sorts to this work...I had the distinct impression of a colored veil behind which the usual aya entities waited patiently for me to emerge from all this, though I never did in the end.

I drank a fair amount, though nothing like the last time...the opening dose, one really full glass of the fizzy stuff, and three subsequent volitional half glasses.

I was actually quite stunned when it finished, because for the first time, I felt ill prepared for the end...I was really in the middle of everything still, much ground left to cover, and it was over...This is where the prayers at the end are so important. Everything put safely back in its box for later. Another time.

Strangely enough, it was after the work closed that the most interesting and insightful work was done by me.

I spent a good two hours listening very closely to and conversing with two people who were involved, professionally, at the scene of the Tavistock Square bus bomb. It was so humbling, and so deeply affecting, I am actually quite haunted by it (imagine how they must feel?) The pathos was utterly tangible, it was a shared emotional purge, for them, for me, for my friend who was with us...We went deeply into the event, discussing what they had witnessed, what they had done, what they had been doing since that day, how they felt, how we felt...The horror of it was like a hurricane passing through spirit-me, physical, emotional, mental, it was a dry, fast, blasting hot wind that I had to squint into and let pass through. The shock and pain of these two was aired and shared in a very positive and transformational way. In fact, I hope that much of the dark and oppressive energy residual after that event was sucked into our work, and transformed...it was a really difficult and 'stuck' trabalho...The first time crew had, I think, more 'atypical' (hah!) first time experiences, because aya and the [xxxxx] structure provides that gentle cushion...But for myself, it was hard. Transformation took place, though, the journey was rocky, but it ended in a positive and loving place...It took a lot of darkness and allowed the light in.

I have to go now, but I'll come back, one more time (probably, haha), to share what I was given.

Returning always back to love.

(*) [redacted]
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
02:13 / 23.07.05
Just want to say: thank you so much for sharing what you have done here.

It's wonderful and inspiring to read, and as (only)long as it feels okay to do so, I hope you continue to write here.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:39 / 23.07.05
Seconded. This is awesome stuff. It's great of you to make this information available.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:42 / 23.07.05
Thanks for your kind words. I guess we'll see...never say never, but recently I have been less inspired/inclined to record so publicly what I have experienced - for a variety of reasons.

That said, I thought I'd finish what I began this week with a little time to spare to order what I felt and feel.

The work began with me speaking with some others there about the wider world of the ayahuasca, and how many structures existed for its ritual use...some a little more 'generic', where ghazals and other traditional folk-loric musics are woven amongst the afro-cuban traditional Brazilian/Portugese hinos, and a wide ranging pantheon of gods/godesses/whatever you may believe in is/are invoked, for those a little wary of the very specific religion inherent in [xxxxx]-something I have mentioned previously that some first timers find off-putting or are wary and leery of...some people I know have attended such works, but maintain that there is something special and unique about [xxxxx]. A purity, if you like.

It is intersting, also, that there are retreats for the curing of addiction in the rainforest which now use [xxxxx] in the treatment of chronic suffering of addictions. I can testify to the effectiveness of this aspect, having once again brought myself back into balance regarding nicotine and alcohol. It brings great clarity to the awareness of use...and placing huge awareness in the process of, for example, smoking, seems key to it's cessation. It is so easy to 'do' much of ones doing without any clarity of presence, thoughtlessly, mindlessly...just 'because'. With presence back, the reasoning and rhyme of what one is doing becomes much more focussed and aligned with the natural inclination of the organism itself - which definitley does not want smoke (for example)...it also 'laughs' at the Beast inside - the 'more, more, more' inclination, the pleasure movement. This is put gently back on a leash, and can be regarded for what it is dispassionatley and without succumbing to it's 'ferocity'...'No way to hold back the soul of the beast / rising inside and in search of a feast / feeding the hunger with anguish delight / my savage appetite'...well, there is a way. Pay attention. Simple as that. Grounded, zero affliction.

We sang from two hinario - Madrinha Rita and from the latter part of Mestre Irineu.

Some revelation, if you will, from the trabalho. All thoughts, feelings and mentations find physical expression, it is a little noticed feature of the thinking structure - it manifests within the body. Once the sacrament is working it's magic, a personal team of 'research assistants' receive a diagnostic of unresolved mental processes which are manifest within the organism...from the calf muscles to the kidneys, probably stemming right back from birth, but certainly in the time since the last 'reset', there are blockages and damns which require deconstruction. In fact, the occurences since reset are possibly iterations of and recycled versions of early seperation drama in the infant me/you...infant frustrations, internalised deep within the body and played out in adult dramas as the stage on which life's experiences are acted out in your own specific little manifestation.

The team of entities which arrive to fix this are experts. The dance performed (or the stasis induced, lying down for those in deep need of healing)must be obeyed by allowing it to express itself without getting in the way...Hence the shaman, the healer, providing the music which guides and fullfils the work...I found very specific regions of my body being used to express the dance, and as I said before, this was not an easy work for me...the issues I wrestled with had manifest regions of the body in which they had to be worked...much akin to chinese medicine and taoist teachings I suppose. Anyway.

I also had some quite specifically [xxxxx] receptions, I guess. Bear in mind, there is no dogma, no pamphlet, no teaching, no guru, no pulpit, no preacher nothing of that ilk that I have yet encountered at these works. You are the teacher and the student, through the sacrament. It is your work. So what I have to say here is my own interpretation of my own work and in no way represents anything told, written or taught by anyone but me, here, right now.

Again, this comes in the form of 'received dialogue' with apparently independently sentient agents with which one is able to internally 'converse'...if you like the notion of telepathy, then this, I imagine, is how it would work. Speaking without speaking, internal.

(As an aside, I recently purchased and read Rick Strassman's book DMT: the Spirit Molecule and highly reccomend it to anybody interested in the entity-encounter aspect of what is being discussed here...I was quite stunned to read many of my own exact words among the reporrts of encounters amongst Strassman's volunteers...And Strassman quite rightly (though he himself is more surprised than anybody by this unexpected outcome of his research) cannot escape the 'Alien Abduction' facility with which these experiences can be compared. Indeed, remove any mention of the imbibing of DMT from the reports (or this thread) and you are left with 'prototypical' Whitley Strieber alien abduction stories...Time loss / expansion / travel, teams of clinical alien entities performing procedures / scans / diagnostics on humans, messages of environmental care and peace and unity transmitted telepathically, beings 'emerging' from nowhere and so on...food for thought...DMT is an endogenous psychedelic, meaning the human body produces vast amounts of it naturally, for no easily explained reason - the MAO inhibitors in our systems prevent it crossing the blood/brain barrier).

Anyway, back to the received wisdom (for want of a better term). Now here's the thing again - it is inescapably Christian in it's overall feel and terminology.

So, I had a deep 'moment' of what felt like insight into the nature of two archetypal agents - the Eternal Father and Blessed Mother (told you!)...these came to me while I was discussing the scene of the Tavistock bomb blast with two professionals (excuse the archaic terms) who were there, on the day, in the carnage...We were discussing the fact that the bus had a movie trailer billboard along one side, and after the explosion, there amidst the twisted metal and structure and people killed, was the slogan, clear as day, the dust jacket blurb, if you like for whatever film it was : "Terror!"...What fucking mockery is this? What perverse situationist artwork is being rendered here? Somebody tear down the gallery and sack the artist, this is shit, saying nothing new, and we're all totally bored of it. Terror. Always there, lurking on the radar, reminding us of the baseline, the stakes...but really, lets decorate this, our home, with something else, eh? Let's all be architacts and interior designers who have moved on from that childish emotion into a more adult, beautiful form and function of expression...

Whatever.

At around this time, we discussed the thought process that leads through such an act, and it struck me, and I said it out loud...'Remember, really, go back to, your mother/i>'...and this reminded me and sent me down the vision expressway to the Blessed Mother, the eternal, archetypal Mother which, for 'I AM' to be, as a human, once was or still is. And likewise, the Eternal Father...is none other than my own Father, and your Father, and me myself, now I have a son, and my father's father, and his father, all the way back - where? How far does this trail lead? It doesn't matter, because the trail itself is the thing, and I am the crest of that wave - the Eternal Father, and the Blessed Mother.

And with those as guides, as advisors, these acts cannot be perpetrated. It is a violation of the Blessed Mother to so pointlessly destroy that which She suffered and grew in Her own body to breathe life into, that which She risked her own in order to manifest yours, and that which was born such that She would be Eternal...

And so too the Eternal Father, the protector and instigator of that Union, and His (My) need to nurture and continue through this everpresent Now in His Son (my son / your son/daughter)...

Hmmm. Pretty hectic thought cascades, eh? And when that trail of thought eventually calms and is placed, I am out of the way, and calm and clear, and all around me is so much love...everybody at these works is loving and still inside and beautiful and calm. Just love, so simple, that base state when exhaustion is true and complete and the mind has abandoned it's grip on the process that is already and always occurring, then love remains. What a tepid sounding cliche, but there you have it. Food, and sustenance and GRATITUDE. Without gratitude, to your own forebears and the forebears of your community, there is nothing of worth. Gratitude is the foundation on which love thrives.

Wow, am i making anybody sick yet? It all sounds so trite if read with modern cynicism as spectacles, but it really is, or seems to be, that simple.

I love the juxtaposition of opposites [xxxxx] inspires in me as descriptors...it is 'devastatingly subtle', and leads to 'energetic exhaustion'...and that is where the great value lies...the total exhaustion of the ordinary structure that tries to run t'ings, laid to rest, put back in its place for a merciful period of glorious being, not doing. Just being.

Peace all. Peace, peace, peace. Make it happen.




(*) [redacted]
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:52 / 23.07.05
Correction - let it happen.
 
 
grant
16:58 / 11.01.06
Just found this: [xxxxx] has a web page.

There's a nice collection of hymns, presented as Flash files so you can listen to a congregation singing while reading the words in Portuguese and English at the same time.

(*) [redacted]
 
 
Mirror
14:49 / 21.02.06
This just in: the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the legality of using the tea in S.D. ceremonies in the U.S.!

Miracles do seem to happen. The most amazing thing about this decision is that it was UNANIMOUS.
 
 
LVX23
15:29 / 21.02.06
Yeah, great news! And Bush's new chief justice John Roberts even rebuked the administration for banning the practice.

There's always hope!
 
 
grant
16:48 / 21.02.06
That's interesting -- I'd read that the UdV was getting a lot of support from some unlikely right wing churches, because they were interested in precedent keeping the feds out of religious practice.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:30 / 21.02.06
This may be a bit threadrot, but I feel I have to point out that UDV (União do Vegetal, or Union of the Vegetable), and [xxxxx] are two different religions based on the ayahusca. [xxxxx] is more strict and hierarchic, closer to Christian traditions, and UDV is more "loose" and closer to the original native traditions. I did attend to a couple of SD "trabalhos", but never attended an UDV cerimony, so I can't really be more specific on the differences.

(*) [redacted]
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:35 / 21.02.06
I was just re-reading this threa and I saw [xxxxx], so I appologise for my arrogance, and I'd like to point out something else he said about Portuguese language:

I don't speak Portugese very well, but it hardly matters...it just sems to work out, and singing is a great way to pick up a langauage anyway. I love the unusual (compared to English) stresses and breaks within the melody with the language, it is so unlike English.

Portuguese is like that. Try to imagine Spanihs with a touch of Arabic (really), plus a few nasal sounds that are completely alien to any other human language I've heard of, as in ora-ção, concentração. It's pretty hard to explain it to a non-speaker, but, for English speakers, it's like saying "ahn", except that part of the air that comes from the lung goes out throught the nose together with the month (if you pinch your nose and it start sound like Donald Duck, you're doing it right)

This was definitively threadrot, but I'm so proud of being Brazilian, I can't help it. Again, my apologies.

(*) [redacted]
 
 
Wanderer
21:37 / 21.02.06
All the same, though, the precedent would tend to mean that lower courts would probably assume SD was legal as well if deciding to prosecute, unless a different case was brought dealing with SD and the drug statute upheld. I suppose it would depend to some extent on what congress decided to do to correct the Controlled Substances act, but that's what I would generally assume.
 
 
Andrue
23:06 / 21.02.06
Check out the synchronicity of this getting brought back up:
US Supreme Court legalizes the Vine of Souls
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:36 / 22.02.06
Um, not really synchronicity. But news like that bears repeating eh?
 
 
Andrue
15:32 / 22.02.06
Ha...not synchronicity at all. My bad.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:15 / 23.02.06
Money $hot, you make the best lunchtime reading. I absolutely love these tales from the outwith edge of human perception.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:32 / 23.02.06
Funny that, if I had my way then both this and 'the other thread' would be purged from the board. We live and learn, slowly sometimes, but surely.
 
 
LVX23
16:37 / 23.02.06
yeah, come-down's a bitch.
 
 
grant
17:47 / 23.02.06
if I had my way then both this and 'the other thread' would be purged from the board.

Why?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
21:49 / 23.02.06
grant, you trickster, if I answer that, the thread bumps back to the top and has life,goddamn it!

*Double Take*

Still, perhaps a nice way to round this thread off.

It has come to my attention, now, after such marathon sessions sharing this stuff, that it is really, deeply personal, and energetically more useful and proper to contain and keep discrete and to oneself, sharing by 'radiating' the journey and its revelations through action and speech which springs from it, rather than actually divulging every minute detail of the totally bespoke visions and teachings that accompany Daime work....They are given to the individual for the individual, and although it is important, imperative even, for the community to benefit and share in the received wisdom imparted, actual detailed breakdown of the manifestation of the sacrament's gifts somehow leave a 'hole' in the energetic usefulness of those gifts, weaken and dilute them in some way. I dunno. It's one-on-one therapy with a Divine presence, and if it seems gauche to share the revelations of work with a psychotherapist or analyst in a public forum, how much more gauche the former?

That's not really le mot juste, 'gauche', but I hope you see what I mean. (Sudden outbreak of French, there!??!?)

The entity from the Cura, first thing He did was place his finger on my lips and tell me 'Shhh!'.

In that thread I kind of hurried past this fact with a blasé 'but it's okay to talk about now', but, on reflection, maybe that doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.

Harpocrates, yes? Important pillar of magical work, old Harpo. Or should that be young Harpo?

Shhhh!

Just a progression in my thinking about all of this stuff, is all. My unbounded enthhusiasm and frankly bursting head necessitated the record so far. But I feel I have learned a thing or two about a more soft and subtle approach.

Discretion is, to badly quote Billy Boy quoting Henry, the better part of valour.
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:38 / 24.02.06
TRUTH!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:43 / 24.02.06
I dunno man. I mean, I know this is intensly personal stuff and you can feel pretty raw about it afterwards, when the initial rush has subsided. But people have read it and felt inspired, or moved, or fascinated, so is it really such a bad thing to have done?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:08 / 24.02.06
Bad? No. A period of my life, is all.

They are what they are, and...here they are. Barbelith is not such a bad rest home for such things.

And that really is the last word I have to say on the matter!
 
 
illmatic
09:28 / 24.02.06
I'm glad you shared it anyways. I do share a lot of your feelings about discretion though.
 
 
grant
15:09 / 24.02.06
Yes. Better to have shared and then explained why that's a compromise, then not explained at all, I think. Calling it "bespoke" is pretty precise and to the point.
 
  

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