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xenosss
02:44 / 01.03.05
Friends and I are planning to take a trip from the East Coast to the West Coast and back once school ends, but we don't know where to go. So, I come to you, faithful denizens of Barbelith, to recommend some sites to see. Anything from the generic (Grand Canyon) to the esoteric (if I knew any I'd list an example) is welcome.

None of us are 21+, so keep that in mind. But, anything else goes (and if you know some places that are a little lax with their carding, those are good too). We need recommendations from the state level (we can't hit all of them) all the way down to the street level. And hey , if you know any places to sleep that're as cheap as sleeping in the car, post some of those too.

Alright, I'm breaking out the map and thumbtacks, let's go.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:54 / 01.03.05
The Joshua Tree.

( Air guitar pretty much mandatory once you hit the sight. )
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:03 / 01.03.05
Also, it's never going to be 'Spring Break' really unless you and your buds have a slash on Mt Rushmore.
 
 
xenosss
03:19 / 01.03.05
Ah, Joshua Tree, never would have thought of that myself.

I'm thinking we'll go one way North and the other way South, so we'll hit the most states possible. Which we do first doesn't matter, that'll probably just be a toin coss.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:36 / 01.03.05
I'd go to Gracelands also.

And for that ultra-kitsch element to the journey, there is no town camper than New York, IMHO
 
 
charrellz
04:40 / 01.03.05
If you're going to San Antonio anyway, then you should stop and spend some time in Austin too. All around great city. Other good places in Texas: Dallas (no real reason, I've just lived here my whole life, so it seems cool to me), and if you go near Houston, you have to see the Rothko Chapel and the Menil Collection, but beware the smog. Stay the hell away from Galveston, crappiest place on Earth as far as I'm concerned.

If you've got a four-wheel-drive capable vehicle, there are some very nice roads in Colorado, especially the one that goes up Pike's Peak.

Additionally, I would recommend steering clear of Arkansas if at all possible. I see no redeeming quality to that whole state.

How many people will be involved? I might be able to help with a place to sleep if you end up going through north Texas.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
05:41 / 01.03.05
I reckon that New Orleans, which is on your list, is probably the most worthwhile place to visit. It's easy, dark, warm, magikal and unlike anywhere else in the US.
On the east coast, one of the less obvious places I'd recommend is Asheville North Carolina. Great tiny city especially for young travellers and quite pretty too.
Simply driving through the New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, California desert areas is pretty sublime and brain expanding. There's nothing like some quality desert time to make you more spacial in thought and deed.
Enjoy!
 
 
xenosss
12:49 / 01.03.05
Charrellz, I'm not sure how many people. So far, just me and a friend, but we're definitely trying to get more friends to come with us. I'll let you know when I find out.

Updated list of places to go:

Arizona
Grand Canyon

California
Lake Tahoe
San Francisco: Golden Gate Bridge, Observation Tower, Red Light ares
Los Angeles
Hollywood: Chinese Theater, houses, Rodeo Drive
Joshua Tree National Park
Big Sur

Florida
Gainesville
South Florida

Illinois
Chicago: Sears Tower

Kansas
Lawrence: Mass Street

Louisiana
New Orleans

Michigan
Matius' house

Nevada
Las Vegas
Black Rock Desert

South Dakota
Mount Rushmore National Park

Tennessee
Nasvhille

Texas
San Antonio: The Alamo
Houston: Rothko Chapel, Menil Collection

Washington
Seattle
 
 
RadJose
18:05 / 01.03.05
For fun be sure to hit up the most throw away tourist place ever. The Four Corners. You know the place, where the corners of Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico meet. It's just bizzare and amusing. You can be in FOUR STATES AT ONCE!

St Louis MO of cource has the Arch but also the interative art/man made caves/run arround and climb shit place known as City Museum. They also are home to Blue Berry Hill Chuck Berry's restraunt.

Also to add to the fun of the road trip experience I sugest ONLY eating road side & truck stop diners. I've had some of the best food that I'll never have again that way!
 
 
Grendel's Mother
19:23 / 01.03.05
The Garden of Eden in Lucas, Kansas is an absolute must. Constructed out of concrete by a Civil War vet, The Garden of Eden is a fabulously odd biblical/allegorical criticism of the excesses of the Guilded Age. There is also a terrific little museum in downtown Lucas devoted to this kind of "folk" (untrained) art--the only museum of its kind in the country. And, for god knows what reason--perhaps the west Kansas landscape--this area has produced more than its share of these kinds of artists. It's an hour or so off the freeway, but it is definitely worth it. The best thing the U.S. has to offer.
 
 
astrojax69
19:37 / 01.03.05
if you've never seen the grand canyon before, make the same mistake i did and get there too late (ie at or after dark) to tusayan [think that's the spelling] and then get up too early [ie well before any sign of dawn] and make you way *carefully* to the park and to the canyon's edge and wait. and watch.

one of my life's most amazing experiences, the canyon seeping from inky blackness.

you HAVE to do this.

and you have to have fun! now be good and run along....
 
 
gale
19:44 / 01.03.05
If you're going to Mt. Rushmore, go see the corn palace in Mitchell, South Dakota. It is exactly that.

If you're in Northern Arizona, the meteor crater is really cool. It's about an hour east of Flagstaff. Right outside of Flagstaff is sunset crater, an extinct volcano.

If you're in Iowa (I think) definitely see the House on the Rock. That's what it's called. I can't describe it--it's like nothing I ever saw.

Take pictures and share them also!
 
 
subcultureofone
20:34 / 01.03.05
for gainesville, fl:

here's a link to gainesville bands dot com to see what bands are playing where when.

the top is a good place to eat; i'm getting ready to go there now. anything in particular you wanted to see/do in gainesville?
 
 
grant
21:38 / 01.03.05
Things to bear in mind:

* If you're going to be passing Lake Tahoe near Labor Day, you might as well try to make it a few miles north and go to Burning Man. Well, if you can skive tickets or something -- too rich for my blood nowadays. If not, you might want to check out the Black Rock Desert anyway. It's an *extreme environment*, so be aware of that.

* Also be aware that South Florida is pretty much out of the way of everywhere. Florida is something like the fourth or fifth biggest state in the union and it's all north-south. That said, I've got a thread on here somewhere with nearly everything I could think of to see in Florida on it. Here it is. Underline the Indian Pass Oyster Bar (off I-10 and near Seaside, the creepy town where they filmed The Truman Show), Coral Castle, and the Koreshan State Site. Those are my favorites today.

* In mid-Texas, you might enjoy a quick paddle down the Guadalupe River. It's white water, but really easy -- they rent tubes and canoes.

* If you feel like driving off into the desert, don't miss Cochise's Stronghold, near the Mexican border in Arizona. Primitive camping, an awesome place.

* The Voodoo Museum & Mother's (THE LINE IS WORTH IT) in New Orleans. You can find 'em if you look. Accept no substitutes -- they'll try to fake you out with similar place names.


* I'm also very, very fond of Vermont. In summer, at least. Tour Ben & Jerry's, catch an art film in Montpelier, hike along Franconia Notch on the New Hampshire border, eat organic groceries from a co-op... they live well. Burlington is the only city that feels like a city. If you can plan to be in Montpelier on July 4, do it. It's SOOOO Americana, it's gorgeous. All the convenience stores sell Ben & Jerry's factory seconds, too -- cheaper than normal, because they (mostly) have *too much* stuff in 'em.

* If in north Georgia, near the North Carolina border, check out Amicalola Falls & nearby Dahlonega. Amicalola is gorgeous. There are campsites & cabins there, but you can also get a room at the Hike Inn -- a five mile walk up the mountain where cars can't go. Great place. Lots of people start Appalachian Trail hikes there, because it's not far from the trail head and has such great food. Dahlonega is an old mining town with a great home-cookin' boarding-house-style restaurant.

* If in south Georgia, near Jacksonville, stay at the Hostel In The Woods near Brunswick. And/or camp at Cumberland Island, which you can only get to by ferry at St. Mary's, GA -- you can also go for a day trip.

Cumberland = wild horses, ruined plantations, cemeteries, docile deer, scads of fearless armadillos and a pretty good beach. Dreamlike.

Brunswick/HitW = great hostel vibe, gorgeous woods, peacocks, a weird little pond with a barge on it, and weekend runs to a nearby juke joint for pool. I think you'll need to call ahead for both to reserve spots, although they're not too pricey if memory serves.

* You should read Blue Highways for some ideas. And on that old Florida page, follow the links to RoadsideAmerica.com -- great site.
 
 
diz
22:20 / 01.03.05
you must go see the Oregon Vortex. it is so fucking cool you wouldn't even believe it.
 
 
ibis the being
22:53 / 01.03.05
I skipped Mount Rushmore but the Badlands in SD are a must. Beautiful, eerie land formations that look like the bottom of the sea (which, if I'm not mistaken, they were). In fact, I also went to the Grand Canyon and the Badlands were far more enjoyable, bc the GC is almost too enormous to process or absorb - it's hard to explain, I felt so disconnected looking at it - while you can get into the Badlands and feel a part of it. Other stops I liked include

*Wind Cave Natl Park in Custer, SD (in general the Black Hills are lovely though at times kitschy)
*Muir Woods Natl Monument in Mill Valley CA (little north of SF) - also Stinson Beach which is nearby (If you are from the East Coast it will blow you away).
*If you can hack it, the coastal highway in CA is a sight to behold.
*Anasazi ruins in New Mexico - was it Chaco Canyon? Sadly I can't remember.
*Also, if you can manage it, try to go to a tiny bbq joint in the middle of nowhere in the South, there is seriously nothing like it on earth for someone from the sub/urban coasts. Scratch my eyes out for being an elitist voyeur, I don't care, I will never forget that chicken patty and canned beans I ate from a plastic tray at a bbq shack in Tennessee.
 
 
ibis the being
23:02 / 01.03.05
Oh, and as for where to stay - look out for campgrounds. While in South Dakota, I found one near Mt Rushmore that only charged $5 a night. Ample space to set up a tent, fire pits, showers, toilets, even a coffee shop where the coffee was well under $1.

Motel 6 are cheap, and I can tell you, because I stayed in MANY M6's, that they are almost always clean and decent. Generally, the Motel 6 and Super 8 and other cheap motels will be near each other in each town, and you can shop around for rates - but I found you can't beat M6 for value (quality+price). As long as you stay in the outskirts of the bigger towns and cities, you shouldn't have to pay more than $35-40 a night on average. And sometimes you get some nice surprises - I hit up a Ramada in I think Tennessee that happened to be one of the places they sent "extra" Ramada furniture or something. For $40 I had a HUGE room, king bed, kitchenette with fridge, and even a baby crib (though no baby).
 
 
xenosss
23:42 / 01.03.05
You guys are awesome.

Awesome.

I've posted this in a few forums and the best responses have definitely been coming from here. I knew I could expect the most from you Barbelithers. All those less-known parks and attractions I never would have thought of; it's great. Thanks!

But, hardly every state's been covered, and the thread isn't even up to two pages yet! So, I'm all for the list to keep growing. I have a few months to piece all this together, so keep it coming.

Question: The mention of "The House on the Rock" brought back a flood of memories of Neil Gaiman's "American Gods". That is definitely one of the roadside stops they make, although Gaiman makes a point of not naming the places in the book. Does anyone know anymore of the sites in the book, or maybe know of a website that has some research on it?

grant: Is the Voodoo museum you're talking about the "New Orleans Historic Voodoo Museum on Dumaine Street"?
 
 
Liger Null
23:46 / 01.03.05
I second Jose's reccomendation of the City Museum, Xenoss, while adding to that Forest Park, your one-stop shop for all your touristing needs.

Historical Forest Park, once home to the 1904 World Fair, contains the world-famous St. Louis Zoo (free admission), the Art Museum-Check out the REAL MUMMY and the decorated human skull with cowry shells for eyes!-(free admission), and the Science Center-Animatronic T-Rex!-(free admission as far as I know, though you have to pay to watch the I-Max)

Great, now I'm homesick
 
 
Olulabelle
23:57 / 01.03.05
I only have California advice I am afraid, but it's good advice all the same.

1/ Hire a 'baby' pick-up truck RV and stay in camp grounds. Pick-up RV's are easy to drive, sleep three, and go anywhere normal cars go. RV'ing is cheap, you can go where you like, eat what you like, stop where you like, and its beautiful and exciting.

2/ Don't go to LA, it's horrible. I went, stayed there three days and ended up running away somewhere else. I love cities and obviously some people think it rocks. I really wanted to like it but it is completely soulless.

3/ Go to Mendocino, Monterey and Big Sur. Take a warm jumper. (In fact take a warm jumper applies to most of the coast of California).

4/ There's an amazing 2nd hand clothing shop just opposite the Holiday Inn in San Fransisco. Go there. The people are lovely, friendly and funny. It rocks.

5/ If you can possibly afford it, fly in a helicopter to the Grand Canyon from Las Vegas because it's the most beautiful scenery I have ever seen. Ever. Even if you only have a few spare dollars, spend it on that. Seriously.

6/ Spend some proper time in Yosemite. Take walking boots. Visit the Sequoia's and hug them, even if you don't normally hug trees. Learn how to a/light a fire and b/cook on it. Beware of bears.

7/ Find a long straight road in Nevada and drive it like they do in the movies.

8/ Go to Palm Springs, get very hot and when you're so hot you can't bear it anymore take the cable car up to the forest just outside the city and delight in the cool air and the smell of beautiful trees. Take a warm jumper.

So mainly my advice there appears to be 'take a warm jumper.' Spot the Englishwoman.
 
 
alas
01:46 / 02.03.05
As a native Iowan, I would love to claim the House on the Rock, but it is is--alas!--in in Wisconsin. Along with many other fine attractions, I'm sure.

One very cool thing that is in Iowa and which is ***FREE*** is a Frank Lloyd Wright signature house and grounds; many FLW sites charge quite a bit of money, but this one, called Cedar Rock was donated to the Iowa Dept of Natural Resources, and it's totally free. It's a Usonian house with a boat house by the river; Wright designed everything in the house, did the landscaping, and the boat house also. It's worth the drive, near a town called "Quasqueton" (mddle of nowhere, really, but sort of near Cedar Falls/Waterloo) if you manage to pass through Iowa.

And the river it overlooks is the Wapsipinicon. Which just sounds so damn Longfellow-like. And, as a river name, it's almost as good as "Nameless Creek"--a real creek that flows through the dull state of Indiana. (And did I mention the FLW house is free?)

I'm also kind of amazed at the Hopewell mounds and other ancient earthworks--there's many all around the U.S. Here's a listing. I've been to Effigy Mounds National Monument in Northeastern Iowa (you can go to Spillville to the Bily Clock Museum and Dvorzak House!), and the Serpent Mound in Ohio.

Lawrence, Kansas, is wonderful. But I second Grendel's mum on the Lucas, Kansas, Garden of Edenrecommendation. It's out in "post-rock country" (near the subtly beautiful Flint Hills and some astounding stands of natural tall-grass prairie. So many people think Kansas is boring, I think it's just amazing. In Lucas there's also a folk art museum that's really pretty cool. There's art and jewelry all made of used chewing gum by a couple of old ladies. A
motorcycle made of pop-tabs. Here's a "kansas is cooler than you think" tour by a nonKansan, the Urban Hipster, who provides great Kansas links--and like you, started her tour in Lawrence, going to the Footprints shoestore.

I also think there's some cool stuff in Nebraska--the sand hills, Scott's bluff national monument., which is near the badlands. And Lincoln has a good feel to it, I think. Midwestern college towns tend to be good places, generally for restaurants and local color and usually lots of rooms and camping areas for those big weekends during the school year--so summer's a great time to go to them. Just look for a college on your map (they're always marked) and head to the town. This is good advice for the South, too, if you're needing a place to stay and want to eat well--cheap organic or vegetarian food, etc.
 
 
grant
01:51 / 02.03.05
1. I think that Voodoo Museum is the good one. Can't remember the street. Chicken Man's House of Voodoo is no comparison. One other thing about New Orleans -- there's more than just the French Quarter. Check out the Garden District. Oh, and if Joel Kelly is having a gallery show, go up and introduce yourself and say you know me. He's fun.

2. New Mexico, camp out next to Carlsbad Caverns. It's an awesome sight underground. It's near Roswell, NM, where the UFO crashed in 1947 -- the birth of the modern flying saucer era.

3. It might be interesting doing a comparison between Savannah, GA, Charleston, SC, New Orleans, LA, and San Francisco, CA. They all seem to have a common vibe. It's the brownstones with wrought iron balconies, I think.

4. There is a soul to LA, it's just horribly obscured by the sprawl of the place. As I've recommended elsewhere on this site. start at the Museum of Jurassic Technology and work your way out from there. LA is not so much a proper city as a dense collection of suburbs, many of which have their own strange character.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:05 / 02.03.05
Try Roadside America for a beefy slice of side-street oddities. It's great.
 
 
grant
02:33 / 02.03.05
5. If you can't watch the sun rise over the Grand Canyon, explore one of the side canyons FIRST. You'll be swept away at how large the damn thing is, then realize it's just a tributary of the greater gulf. Angel Canyon is the one I did this with, I think.

6. There are a lot of odd little places in Utah. In the winter, you can ski there, which is nice. Bryce Canyon is cool in the summer (but by the time you get there, you might be sick of desert scenery and only realize how cool it is months later).

7. If you want to go to Point Pleasant, West Virginia (where the Mothman did his thing), lemme know -- I think my godbrother is still a park ranger there. That area is also good for *real* white water rafting. You can also visit the Greenbriar Hotel (I think that's the name), where they only recently unveiled a complex of secret rooms where JFK had set up an emergency Cold War congressional headquarters... just in case. You think I'm making this up?
 
 
grant
02:45 / 02.03.05
8. Nashville, shmashville, go to Memphis. Listen to blues. Hop across the border to Mississippi and listen to more.
 
 
HCE
16:07 / 02.03.05
If you're not vegetarian, consider this book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0767908090/qid=1109786704/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-9101659-6256610

My mom recently went on a road tour of the southeast states and her technique was to sleep in the back of the car on a futon (she's got a big car) for a few nights and then stay in one of the many restored mansions that now serve as hotels:

http://www.natchez-dunleith.com/
 
 
xenosss
17:23 / 02.03.05
It seems that for every cool place to go I get a "Don't plan it!", so I'm beginning to think that planning for this trip is going to consist of only a few things: How long we'll be gone, what we'll be driving, who we'll be taking, and how we're going to get the necessary... "supplies". We'll just turn where turns seem needed, and drive forward everywhere else.

Of course, I'd bring this guide along in case we're ever in the area of any of these amazing places.

http://www.airradio.net/roadtrip2005.html is a fairly updated list of the suggestions I've gotten.
 
 
HCE
17:37 / 02.03.05
Have you considered having a theme? It could be visiting National Parks, or the strangest places on your list, or local live music venues, or bbq joints...
 
 
Topper
18:21 / 02.03.05
A couple things about New Orleans in general -- there is a ton of good food and you can find it cheap. Many bars have free red beans and rice on Mondays (the traditional day for the dish). Many have weekday happy hours like oysters on the half shell for .25. In my experience it's only the tourist traps and college bars that card. Also hotel buffets. Church buffets. Produce from roadside vendors. These work all over.

If you hang out around Tulane and Loyola, which share a campus, you'll probably find some kind soul with floor or couch space in his dorm. They're used to taking people in. Or! If you're not snobby, here's how you get free housing at any college campus. Show up at a frat house with a 12 pack and say hey dude what's up? They will treat you like one of their own.

If you're thinking of coming thru Cincinnati, don't. It's a midwestern conservative industrial town with a race problem. In fact if you just hit Chicago you can skip the rest of the midwest. Hmm, I can't decide if I'm kidding about that last part or not.

The most important piece of advice I can give is this -- strike up conversations with strangers. Do this and your trip will take on its own life.

.
 
 
diz
22:30 / 02.03.05
Los Angeles: i wholeheartedly second Grant's rec of the Museum of Jurassic Technology. it's fucking fantastic. this must be on the top of your list.

also, get a drink at the Standard Hotel. either the one in Hollywood (with the girl in the fishtank and the eggchairs) or the one downtown (with the big weird scrolling messages)

if you're stuck for a place to stay in the Seattle area, there's a youth hostel on the island of Vachon. you have to take a ferry across Puget Sound, which you should do at night. the hostel is Western-themed. you can stay in a teepee. the info sheet says "howdy, buckaroos!" there are cigar-store Indians and all sorts of Western kitsch weirdness. it must be seen to be believed.

Minneapolis/St. Paul: whatever the big fucking art museum is in Minneapolis is called, it has a minigolf course attached. the museum commissioned a bunch of sculptors to design the obstacles, and so you end up with an avant-garde miniature golf course. i missed it, but my gf can't stop talking about it. go play a round.

also, drive around St. Paul (the hometown of Charles Shultz) and look at the life-sized Peanuts statues. i almost crapped my pants when i drove by a lifesized version of Lucy's "psychological advice: 5 cents" booth.

San Francisco: go to Amoeba Records on Haight Street, which is the best music store i've ever seen. similarly...

Portland, OR: go to Powell's Books, the best bookstore i've ever seen (we're talking warehouse here).

in the northwestern corner of Arizona, along interstate 15, you pass through the Virgin River Gorge, which will make you cry with beauty.

also, yes, again with grant's suggestion, Black Rock Desert in Nevada, with or without Burning Man, but preferably with. also, in Vegas, there's lots of cool stuff to look at, but the best casino to wander around in is, wthout a doubt, Mandalay Bay.
 
 
grant
12:16 / 03.03.05
Shit -- there's a truckstop in Sparks (outside Reno, on the road to Black Rock) with great, large, cheap meals, and its own Elvis Museum. I can't remember the damn name.

If Black Rock, then this place.

A ha! Sierra Sid's! That whole article is probably loaded with ideas, if you're into Elvis. Sierra Sid's has the King's .45 on display. It's also a huge place, big signs, hard to miss.
 
 
subcultureofone
13:12 / 03.03.05
of course you must

SEE ROCK CITY
 
 
xenosss
16:29 / 03.03.05
And here I was expecting Detroit rock city!

I don't know, we might just skip those real south states. A lot of people have been telling me not to plan the trip at all, but I'd think that not planning it at all would just lead to us getting lost real fast. I figure we should have a plan of what states to hit, but leave it open once we get there. That way it'll be spontaneous, but at least we'll know in advance the general directions to get from here to there and back home.

A rough outline (in either direction):

New Jersey
Washington DC
Virginia
North Carolina
Tennessee
Louisiana / Missouri
Texas / Kansas
New Mexico
Arizona
California
Nevada
California
Washington
South Dakota
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan
Ohio
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
 
 
ibis the being
16:36 / 03.03.05
That's pretty much the reverse of what I did (me: north out, south back), except that I didn't go all the way down to LA nor all the way up to WA.

Unless you go really out of your way to take back roads, you'll find that the interstate system will dictate your route for the most part. You're going roughly I-40 or 30 westward, and I-90 & 80 back. Pretty good plan. Keep in mind that if you do that, certain things will be quite out of the way - for eg, New Orleans, Vegas, and Wash state. And be warned: if you're from the East, you truly have NO IDEA how big those western states are until you're out there. It can take two full days just to cross South Dakota.
 
 
grant
21:36 / 03.03.05
Yeah, I had to sleep once between Vegas and Reno, but we left later in the morning than we could've.

Something else to realize: in a lot of those southwestern states, if you take ONE wrong turn, you're going to be good and lost for as long as 10 hours or more. They don't have lots of roads in the desert.

Thankfully, all the roads they do have lead somewhere, so you're only as lost as you think you are.
 
  

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