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Is there life on mars?

 
 
astrojax69
19:17 / 24.02.05
well, yes. apparently...

formisano went public on, of all places, australian tv [i'll post the abc's catalyst link when they get the story up... sheesh! talk about colonial...]
 
 
grant
19:52 / 24.02.05
Methane is destroyed by the intense ultraviolet radiation on Mars because the gas has a relatively short photochemical lifetime of about 300 years, so if it is present there must be something producing it continually, Professor Formisano said. "[Its presence] is significant and very important. If it is present you need a source," he added.

The second group to detect signals of methane in the Martian atmosphere is led by Michael Mumma of Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, who used powerful spectroscopic telescopes based on Earth.

This team is even believed to have detected variations in the concentrations of methane, with a peak coming from the ancient Martian seabed of Meridiani Planum, which is being explored by a Nasa rover.



OoooOOOOoo!

I think it's real. And I think they will be giant Martian germs, the size of teddy bears, bouncing on their cilia across the dusty Martian plains. Oh, yes.
 
 
tom-karika nukes it from orbit
19:57 / 24.02.05
I think it means alot for us if there is life on mars. I would be incredibly excited.

But can't methane come from anything other than organic life?
 
 
sleazenation
21:24 / 24.02.05
The thinking is that Methane breaks down relatively quickly so for it to be present in any kind of significant way it would have to be being constantly produced, possibly by biological processes...
 
 
astrojax69
21:58 / 24.02.05
here is the catalyst story, as promised.

there was nothing in our press today about this. i find *that* astonishing!
 
 
distractile
17:49 / 25.02.05
There's been some debate about what Martian methane means since at least the beginning of last year - could be life, could be volcanic activity, could be from an ancient cometary impact.

I suspect Formisano's gone wide to try for priority over this leaked research from NASA. I tend to be a bit suspicious about discoveries that go public this way - cold fusion, anyone? - and we've been here before with the Martian meteorite flap a few years back. (I'm still holding on to a couple of mouldering newspapers that say "LIFE ON MARS" just in case they turn out to have been on the money, tho').

But when you have two independent teams converging on a single explanation, and other pieces of the puzzle seemingly coming together too, it's hard not to start getting excited ...
 
 
tom-karika nukes it from orbit
20:23 / 25.02.05
If the methane burns off quickly, and I guess mars is very windy, wouldn't the rover only find a decent methane concentration when it is near a cave of some sort? If it is near a cave, it would be really cool to drive the rover into it and just have peek. Might be some sort of martian mega-slug down there. Yeah. Cool.

But I guess with a solar powered rover, driving it underground is a bad move ;-)

Notice that the intro. of this article here seems to assume that the methane traces are from microbes:

EUGENE, Oregon -- Martian biology is likely alive and well on the red planet, but tucked away in caves or dwelling underground, sustained by pockets of water.
 
 
Tamayyurt
20:51 / 25.02.05
I'm also excited by this and believe it's probably true. It's not only all this Martian news that's got me psyched for life on Mars, but these other two recent reports "microbes in permafrost" and "ancient life (bacteria) found in the deep".
 
 
distractile
11:51 / 04.03.05
More (from this Economist article)

Although NASA's researchers may not have discovered life on Mars, they have produced some interesting work that supports a biological explanation for the origin of the methane. Later this month Carol Stoker, of the agency's Ames Research Centre in California, and her colleagues, will tell the Lunar and Planetary Science conference in League City, Texas, that they have the first report of a subsurface ecosystem that can use sulphide minerals as an energy source.

Dr Stoker has been exploring a place on Earth that looks geochemically similar to an area of Mars called Sinus Meridiani. The place in question is near the source of the Rio Tinto, in Spain, and the similarity is the presence of a mineral called jarosite. The team drilled beneath the ground to take sample cores from up to 165 metres beneath the surface. There, they found a microbial ecosystem that appeared to be producing jarosite (a sulphate-based mineral) by oxidising rocks made of iron sulphide. One by-product of this process is methane, whose carbon comes from atmospheric carbon dioxide. And Mars, too, has carbon dioxide in its atmosphere. It has yet to be established whether points of methane concentration in the Martian atmosphere coincide with jarosite deposits. If they do, though, the case for life on Mars will look a lot stronger than it does at the moment.
 
 
Mister Snee
14:54 / 30.03.05
jarosite!

what's going on!
 
  
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