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Contacting the Holy Guardian Angel/Daimon/True Will/Genius

 
 
Salamander
06:43 / 23.02.05
Has anyone that posts here actually done it? No need to recount the expeiriance, but any info on the preparations would help, such as any scrying or tarot or other divinatory methods that worked. Since the HGA working seems to be a ritual magick G.'.D.'./O.T.O type of ritual, does anyone have any thoughts or knowledge on any other ways of acheiving this evocation/gnosis?
 
 
rising and revolving
17:29 / 23.02.05
I've had contact, although not Knowledge and Conversation in the CM sense. Just dropping in for a cuppa, primarily.

As for what helped? Daily ritual work led to the encounter, but not directly. So far contact seems to come when my higher self wants it, not necessarily when I do. However, I do feel I'm being guided into closer communication - it's just that I'm only starting out on the road now.

However, immediately after my first contact (which happened in the half concious lands betwixt waking and sleep) I did an all day long intensive ritual to thank and invoke the HGA. From this I got a sigil and mantra, that have been useful since - they don't actually work to summon the HGA, at least not so far, but they do provide a focus for HGA work. If that makes sense?

Sorry this is a bit mangled - I'm feeling very sleep deprived today. Any questions, ask and I'll do what I can to answer.
 
 
LVX23
18:20 / 23.02.05
Yes & No. Most of my exposure to the path is within the Thelemic framework, which is very regimented and generally requires a mentor and some sort of OTO affiliation. I have not had the time, will, or patience to pursue this path completely. (And I have a healthy distrust of orders). I've certainly set out on the path, but I've been more focused on attaining Tipareth/Compassion/Balance (i.e. the lower half of the tree) and trying to find my own system of self fulfillment. FWIW, here's an article I wrote not too long ago about The Augoeides and the Abyss that attempts to detail the Thelemic system.

That being said, there are plenty of other ways to characterize and invoke the basic concept of the True Will. Know thyself. Find what makes you happiest and at which you are most effective. Strip away the dross and look at the core You. Open yourself to the will of the universe as it is reflected in you.
 
 
nidu713
19:44 / 23.02.05
Well, I hope you don't mind, I'm sharing a personal experience. Skip it if you do.

_______________________________________

MEMO

To: Exoskeletal personality structure and attached behaviour patterns/imprinted desires

From: Internal master control, beyond time-binding mechanisms of 3-dimensions

Communication Method: Simultaneous electrical disturbances in Wernicke's area and Broca's area; Physically manifested as a seizure; Resulting in a skewing of the language function

Re: Effectiveness of magic with respect to current (as of transmission date) definitions

Dear Me:

Hey, is that you? It's me. Seeing as your currently not doing anything besides twitching on the floor, I thought I'd take this opportunity to jump in and shed some light on your current mind state regarding reality, magic, and it's effectiveness (or possibly lack of) in your current environment.

Magic is a brain technology that works, as you have proven to yourself. This is achievable because your immediate environment is created based primarily on your own observations of reality. Yada yada yada, old news.

Herein lies the quandary. Like a child picking up toys, your arms can only hold so many. Magical workings represent you bending down to pick up another perceived toy. But, as you bend down to pick this toy up, you unknowingly drop one of the toys you've previously acquired. Before you realize that this toy is gone, it has already been picked up by someone (or something) else. With child-like ignorance, you don't connect picking up that new toy with the disappearance of one of the older toys. The toys constantly circulate through the arms of all those who are participant in defining consensus. Consensus is the amalgamation of all observation of seemingly separate entities.

To what degree can magic manipulate reality? Since your nervous system is only responsible for one layer of consensus, degrees of freedom are limited by all other participants. Picking up a toy implies dropping a toy, dropping a toy implies losing it to someone else. These are the limits imposed by physical systems... the same limits that you are trying to breach by practicing magic.

So, you ask "Why bother?"... and rightfully so. Did you notice that every single ritual you performed, and every single result you achieved, no matter how mind blowing or minuscule, was tainted with an odd flavour? A message? If not, look harder. There is a message there, and this message is meant to draw your attention to something: your personal energy blockages. These are like switches in the off position, not allowing the current to travel that pathway. These are the imprinted desires and paradoxes within your personality that keep you bound to this reality, striving to be satiated.

I'm sorry that I have to be the one to say this to you... but, your ego is HUGE. And because it is so large, you have a difficult time analyzing your needs and desires without externalizing. Through externalization, you remove yourself from being the cause of the problem. This is why magic is tricky... by allowing you to define and change your own reality, you must convince yourself that the logical structure of the person defining it(you) is infallible. Admission to fallibility allows room for doubt, which then seems to make you define passively instead of actively. Magic represents active definition. Magic only works if you believe your own logic. Somewhere in (t)here, there are "logical" structures that you don't believe. You like to pretend they aren't there. It's easier for you to feign ignorance than to accept responsibility. So you externalize.

A good indicator if these "blocks" exist can be found in your own relationships:

Remember _____? Why did you end contact with her? And don't give me the excuse that you've been telling yourself... you know that I know better. I know that you know better. Truthfully, she pinpointed your "blocks", and you pinpointed hers. This resulted in a struggle for energy masked by inert details. Neither of you liked that kind of vulnerability very much, so you headed in different directions, blaing details.

And, what about _____? Why don't you talk to him anymore? Could it be that he was pinpointing your blocks as well? Oh, I see... he didn't pinpoint them... he was just closing in. You knew that, and had to manufacture some paltry excuse that sounded good to the rules of your personality... something you could tell family and friends, so that they could bolster and support your reasons for ending communication.

Frankly, you can distract yourself with all of the occult currency you can stomach. Learn all the names, the correct pronunciations, the most potent rituals. It's all just games... a mind trick... distractions. Externalized systems that allow you to interact with your own personal paradoxes that are too painful to take ownership of. We both know this - I just had to come out and say it.

Please remember, all ideas are formed in the mind space between insight and complex. Humans only like to present one side of the duality because this allows them to maintain credibility. Don't feel bad though, the externalized personality is a callous and implies these blocks. Everyone has them. Some people are just better at fooling themselves than others.

I'm not trying to spoil your fun here. I just think that if we both acknowledged this, you would be able to use magic more effectively. The possibility to break through is there.

Anyway, looks like you're waking up. The electrical storm is subsiding. See me soon.

-You, xoxo

Ps. You're starting to lose some hair at the back. You just can't see it from that angle.
 
 
gale
19:47 / 23.02.05
I don't t know if there is a way to contact your HGA if you aren't prepared to listen to what it has to say. Even if your HGA is you. Know thyself is very good advice.
 
 
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22:10 / 23.02.05
Nidu that was a brilliant read, it seems like you've tapped into an amazing part of your mind from what you have there.

With the picking up and dropping of toys,(which was one of my favourite parts) I suppose that the internal master control was giving hints that you needed to learn how to juggle the toys instead of picking them up and putting them down. That's what I seemed to read from that anyway, that the breaking down of the boundaries between 'selves' would lead to a dynamic way of balancing them by applying a type of juggling effect, something that Adepts are so good at.

Obviously 'juggling' is vague, and there are many better terms and ways to describe that elusive skill, but that's what came to me when reading that through again.
 
 
Salamander
16:11 / 24.02.05
Well, I've already had some contact, and I'm working some ritual elements into the mix. But I'm also trying to follow my intuition, and thats telling me that this will be a hard long road, and ritual is just a guide post. The part about blockages is what spoke to me the most nidu, that and the her him relationship brake offs. In the end I know what needs to be done, I just need to find the way to do it. Thanks for the advice guys.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
16:53 / 24.02.05
nidu713, that was an awesome post, on so many levels.

For myself, I've sort of gradually been coming closer and closer to this over the years. The bst example I can think of is sort of a labyrinth. You have to go through a massive puzzel to get to the center (Truth in this case), and you can expect to get turned around in the wrong direction now and again. But if you're paitent, and determined, you'll always make it in the end.
Generally when I have a 'revalation' or what have you that brings me closer to this truth, I seem to be all philosophical-brooding for awhile before hand, depressed, annoyed with existence, until I have some epiphany and I feel great afterwards. It like I'm going down into the abyss, I lose everything, come back free. I don't think I'm all the way there yet, but I'm closer than ever.
It's a progression with me, I know I'll make it eventually, but I still find it hard to let go of some of my old habits. But I'm getting better, I've gotten away from worrying about money and material things so much, and while I'm far frm enlightened right now, I really do think I'm getting closer.
 
 
nidu713
16:42 / 25.02.05
Thanks...

Basically, the message that I took away from that was that communication with other people was of the utmost importance. I think I was choosing to alienate myself from those who I had achieved the deepest communication with. This was not my conscious observation of the situation at the time, but it always manifested under the guise of the details why I loved but was aggravated by that person(s) so much. I think that someone understanding what my "blocks" were, and myself reciprocally understanding theirs, was an indication of reaching a certain level of communication in a relationship.

I had reached the same point in the relationships with all of my family members as well, but the dynamic of my family tends to be a little more polite in the respect that we wouldn't continuously aggravate each other to the point of which any of us would choose to end contact.

I was also getting a very strong feeling that I was being told that a network of family/friends represented a reservoir that each member drew "energy" from, and applied it to their daily activities. The quality of this energy was dependant on the functionality of the network (ie. how many of the blockages were cleared).

Ever see one of those beach balls that has a little pocket on the side that you fill with water? When you throw this ball, it rotates very quickly, then very slowly, depending on where the water pocket is in relation to the force of gravity. I felt that this jerky rotation was the effect the "blocks" (water pocket) were having on my magical application.

[*One]I also got the sense that I was being told that we cannot separate ourselves from the people we intimately know and interact with. This interaction creates energy that cannot be separated or divided to represent it's participants. This deep connection is created by experiencing things(and each other) together as a unit; as well, the use of language to describe intimate/personal points of view -- the language would only have a deep effect on someone who "knew you" and in turn could have a truer understanding of what you meant through this communication.[/*One]

I think that we are all gathering here on the presupposition of how reality works. Our presupposition is pretty fantastical in comparison to the one held by the general population. I guess this means that we've all been through some experience(s) that have made us look beyond the traditionally perpetuated paradigms provided by media, education, and our own 5 senses. I can't comment for any of you, but I have some people in my life that I can openly communicate these things to, but to the majority I can't. I think that *this* commonly results in the alienation I referred to earlier. I feel that this alienation is the result of us unconsciously understanding the '*One' dynamic. What I mean is that if those in our lives can't contribute positive energy to our ideas about magic, they hinder it's success.

It's kind of like the young athlete training for the olympics, who has over-bearing, exceedingly negative parents. If the parents are continuously telling the child everyday that if he/she doesn't perform to a certain level, that he/she will have to quit... or telling the child that he/she will never be good enough to win an olympic medal, this child won't succeed at these goals.

What I felt I was being told was that I could go off on a tangent regarding magic indefinitely... there was enough energy in that system of thought for me to continue to consume and prove to myself that it was a viable mode of interaction, and that was "better" than the mode that didn't include magic. If I didn't feel this way in some sense, I wouldn't practice magic. I interpreted that I was being shown that the state of mind I utilized to embrace magic was/is (on some level) cynical. This is because I wasn't raised to think that magic was real. I then had to become pioneers, and follow in the footsteps of other pioneers who have shunned society by saying "magic is real... I have proven this to myself... you could too if you wanted to". But the momentum of this shunning somehow still colored my current and future interactions. The "shunning" was a powerful, paradigm-altering state of mind that brought me into magic. It just didn't appear as "shunning" because I had to embrace something more extraordinary than that which I shunned. This momentum continued and I felt that I was being shown that this was contributing to the my limits... those which I was trying to surpass with magic.

So, I had alienated myself from the people who I felt that direct communication with was providing me with negative (with respect to my p.o.v) energy instead of the positive that I needed to create my ideal paradigm. I pretended it was this or that... so-and-so pissed me off, this person insulted me in such a way that it was unforgivable, that person sold me out and exposed themselves as the fraud they were. As I explained, what was really happening was that my point of view had changed so much, that these people were now contributing negative energy toward my paradigm, which in turn made it harder for me to "work my magic". Alienation and re-acquisition of contacts whom supported my new paradigm *seems* like an ideal solution, no?

Here is what I interpreted I was being told as to what the problem was. If '*One' is true, then broken/defunct relationships represent diseased parts of *me*. This then affected the quality of energy of all of my future efforts (magical or otherwise). Since these were parts of me that were in the past, I could never get them back! Well, almost...

I could try to fix current relationships and resuscitate broken relationships. Now that time had passed, this provided me with a buffer from the struggle for control of energy that those relationship endings represented. The problem is that fixing those, in many cases, required me to do things that would be extremely painful for me to do. Not physically painful, but painful based upon the "rules" and state-of-mind that those relationships ended on.

A friend of mine always asks (jokingly) "Why is it okay for me to stand 1 inch away from someone on a crowded elevator, but not okay to stand 1 inch away from someone if we are the only ones in the elevator?". I think that this outlines how painful it was/is/will be for me to heal some of my blocks. The rules are telling me that I can't stand 1 inch away, even though I know that standing 1 inch away isn't directly the cause of the discomfort itself... it's my attachment to the rules. Who made those rules up, anyway?

As you mentioned Salamander, I knew what I needed to do (even though part of me wished it didn't), and I just had to find a way to do it.

I don't want you to think that I've done all of these things... I haven't! Holy FUCK - I have a lot of fences to mend... and it's going to take a lot of mental gymnastics for me to be okay with it. I have been and am making active steps in this direction. I feel that it's kind of like unraveling a knitted sweater - you have to pull, but if you pull to hard, the string will knot and break. (The previous sentence is true but also an excuse my personality likes to make to "put off" the harder stuff.)

Anyway, I just felt like relaying a personal experience. But, I'm left thinking: Should I be ashamed? Have I crossed some barrier? Did I stand too close to you in the elevator? Hopefully it's useful to some.

Cheers and Thx, Temple-mates!
 
 
Salamander
15:16 / 26.02.05
No it was helpful for sure. I just didn't want to come off like I was expecting someone to reveal what may have been too personal to recount thats all. your post was alot of help.
 
  
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