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Hyatt's Reichian exercises - Secrets of Western Tantra

 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
09:45 / 21.02.05
Anyone have experiences of working with these types of exercises? Specifically I am working from Hyatt's Secrets of Western Tantra book, but I think the exercices are adapted from Reich's work on breathing and the 'orgasm reflex'. ie lying on the floor with knees bent, breathing deeply from bottom of stomach.

I have tried them on and off for some time now, during the exercise I feel very relaxed and like lots of energy is moving round my body - spasms, tingling, that sort of thing. All well and good. But for the following few days I feel shattered, extremely tired and generally a bit 'down in the dumps'.

Whats going on? Anyone experienced similar?

Thanks for reading.

MZ.
 
 
illmatic
10:52 / 21.02.05
I’ve been doing those exercises on and off for a couple of years, and they would be pretty much number one of my “would do loads more of, if time was suddenly not an object” list. They are indeed adapted from Reich’s work, via Israel Regardie, and you might find it useful to have a look at Reich’s works and case studies to get a sense of how he approached therapy, plus other techniques to try. Character Analysis by Reich is a bit stuffed full of psycho-analytical jargon, but it does contain an important section on “plasmatic arrangement of the armour segments”. Function of the Orgasm, Alexander Lowen’s works and Elsworth Baker’s Man in the Trap also contain extensive case studies. I think it’s important to read something like this to get an idea of the direction you’re going in – Hyatt isn’t that clear, whereas with Reich there’s no doubt – there’s a very clear model of health there (even if it is a bit of an ideal one might not reach)

I’ve not experienced what you have but I’ve read mentions of similar things. I can understand why you would feel like this though – I’ve felt intensely exhilarated while doing those exercises, and can see how one might “crash” afterward. Loosening up your character armour is going to bring up all kinds of emotions and sensations though – possibly it’s letting loose depressed or sad feelings that have been bound for a long time - or it’s taking your bodies energy economy higher and farther than you’re used to, and there’s a “crash” as I said – with time this might stabilise. However, it really is impossible to say over the internet. I’d just say read up, and keep doing then – if these feelings persist, you could always switch back to just doing the “warm-ups” for a while.

Could send you some stuff if you PM me. Be very interested to hear from any others who’ve tried this stuff.
 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
12:26 / 21.02.05
thanks for the reply....... Im pretty interested in this whole
area, the exercises seem pretty powerful indeed, like you say, could be loosening some deep feelings and emotions.

I will PM you...

Anyone else?
cheers
MZ.
 
 
Lord Switch
14:06 / 21.02.05
I haven´t read the exercise you are talking about, but seeing as it has something to do wit tantra and breathing and that is what is makin you feel bad it might be that you have a blockage somewhere in your system, either the subtle one or the physical one that the breathing exercise comes across.

Try basic pranayama with the alternating nostril inhaling/exhaling for a while and listen to your body. silly things like bad heartrhytm or unnoticed hyperventillation or air getting caught in the space between your eardrums and the rest of your respiratory organs can also have starnge effects. Which might be whats happening

And, most importantly and obviously, do not eat anything for two hours before doing things like that. Your bowels will NOT like it

Hope this helps.
 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
11:38 / 22.02.05
:-)

hehe.... cheers for the advice Lord Switch..
 
 
Salamander
14:21 / 22.02.05
I havn't read this book of Hyatts but I have read some of his others, and I agree with Lucky Liquid, Hyatt isn't all that clear, just read up and keep it up.
 
 
EvskiG
18:00 / 22.02.05
I've used the Regardie/Reich exercises in Hyatt's books every once in a while for almost two decades.

As Illmatic noted, they're great for addressing "character armor" -- the habitual tensing of muscles we do on a daily basis to deal with unresolved stress. I find them at least as helpful as traditional banishing rituals like the LBRP.

Never had any "down in the dumps" feeling afterwards. Reich points out, though, that when patients release their habitual tensions the sudden somatic freedom can have a variety of psychological, emotional, and physical effects.

Just "make haste slowly." I'd recommend practicing no more than one warm-up exercise a day and no more than one main exercise per week until any ill effects have subsided.

Odd fact -- whenever I got very serious about doing the exercises on a daily basis something invariably would happen within a few days that would distract me from the practice. At least twice it was a new relationship.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
05:27 / 23.02.05
most importantly and obviously, do not eat anything for two hours before doing things like that.

He speaks the truth. *wince*
 
 
Eudaimonic.lvx
11:24 / 24.02.05
Im noticing now, after a week of not exactly doing the exercises, but just a daily session of deep breathing, that the negative effects are not really too much of a problem any more, rather I feel calmer and with more energy.

So yeh, maybe a case of the initial practice bringing up some memories, repressions and wierd energy disturbances.

(but I did the other night make the mistake of doing it shortly after eating :-/ )
 
 
illmatic
10:40 / 03.03.05
People interested in this area may find the following useful – this is a link to page of case historieson the site of the American College of Orgonomy. Page down for full histories of orgomomic (the proper name for “Reichian”) therapy. I find them interesting reading. This is the fully comprehensive version of what Hyatt is promoting in his book on a solo/self-help baiss.

The ACO are the body officially appointed by Reich to carry out his work, his “successor” being Elsworth Baker, author of the excellent “Man in the Trap” - they veer towards the more conservative end of the Reichian spectrum – I believe they will only train people with medical qualifications, for instance. Also, in case studies like this, there’s frequently a tendency to pathologise any “deviant” sexualities – SM, homosexuality etc. – but still, I find them a fascinating read, and I’d love to hear anyone’s comments and thoughts.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:02 / 03.03.05
masterzen when i tried them i got this, then i realised something, that eventually that shattered feeling, down in the dumps, wasnt actually depressing, it was that i wasnt used to feeling empty, that i equated emptiness as negative and bad, yet eventually that emptiness becomes a kind of clarity, and exercise should leave you knackered or it aint exercise.
 
  
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