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Recommend some Dub!

 
 
lekvar
18:27 / 18.02.05
Sometimes I turn on the radio, and get hit by the funky tape-loop echo. It makes me happy.
I like dub, but I largely ignorant of producers, groups, sub-genres, etc. beyond what Lucky Liquid #1 was kind enough to recommend to me a while ago. Does anybody else have suggestions?
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:58 / 23.02.05
The Dynamite series are particularly good (100%, 200% etc - 300% Dynamite is a particular favourite) and offer up various artist so may help if you aren't looking for anything specific. Also the Studio One series are great - Studio One Soul is fantastic, dub versions of old soul records.
 
 
Shrug
11:04 / 23.02.05
The only dub I've ever listened to thus the only dub I could comment on is Roots Manuva Dub come Save Me ,which I liked and am recommending.
 
 
rakehell
03:03 / 24.02.05
"The Technician" from Australia makes some deep, echoey pretty old school sounding stuff.

Technician mp3 site here.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:16 / 24.02.05
The Dynamite series are particularly good (100%, 200% etc - 300% Dynamite is a particular favourite) and offer up various artist so may help if you aren't looking for anything specific. Also the Studio One series are great - Studio One Soul is fantastic, dub versions of old soul records.

100% Dynamite series isn't just dub though is it. You get a good mix of all the subgenres of Jamaican music, from ska to dancehall. The Studio One Soul record isnt dub either, being a compilation of soulful rocksteady tracks and reggae versioning of soul standards.

For dub, you want to be looking for anything by King Tubby or Augusto Pablo. Can't really go wrong with that. Lee Scratch Perry deserves your attention as well, although I prefer him as a producer than an artist in his own right. I'd recommend the "Arkology" boxset, although you can get plenty of cheap Lee Perry comps if you just want an introduction. I'd also reccomend the record "Heart of the Congos" by the Congos, which exists somewhere in the territory between dub and roots, and with its vocal harmonising is essentially the dub "Pet Sounds". Beautiful record.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:48 / 24.02.05
In general agreement with GL re: Perry. Well, in general agreement with GL re: everything, but as far as Perry goes, Kung Fu meets the Dragon (released as The Mighty Upsetter) is essential. Really fun record - does what it says on the box, sticking the whole dub thing into an oriental soundscape. Great production, wonderfully bouncy tracks, ace melodies. Weirdness abounds, but is never allowed to overtake or ruin things. Couple of throaty burps in Flames of the Dragon, but only a couple. That sort of thing. And 23rd Dub is the best Perry track I've heard. Like I say, just ridiculously good fun. A big smile of a record.

As ever, Prince Far-I and the Arabs' Cry Tuff Dub Encouter Chapter Three remains one of my favourite albums. If you only buy one record, etc. The level of imagination on display is honestly frightening. Heaviest bass around, sounds twisted and warped like nowhere else - dub to the power of dub squared, times dub. Genius, quite frankly. And also still very easy to get hold of - I've just seen it on Amazon for thirteen quid. Necessary purchase.

Easier listening - those cheapo Trojan collections are fantastic value and a nice intro if you're not after the wonkier side of things.
 
 
Chiropteran
18:08 / 24.02.05
And if you are after the wonkier side of things??

~L
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:15 / 25.02.05
Well, I still don't know anything like as much about this stuff as I'd like to (a situation I'm fully intending to change once my bank balance gets a regular input of disposable cash), but I've not heard anything that pushes the envelope quite as much - while still remaining entertaining and listenable - as that Far-I album. There seems to be a tendency amongst a lot of dub producers to think that all they need to do is turn up the bass, stick mental amounts of echo on all the vocals and whack some space beeps in here and there, which is enjoyable initially, but makes for very dull listening after the first couple of tracks. See: Scientist, whose habit of giving the same treatment to every track gets yawnsome quickly.

Dub Encounter 3's like the polar opposite of that, with every track taking you by surprise and offering up something new.

The Trojan comps are a sort of starting point. Go from them to Prince Jammy (Kamikaze Dub's great), King Tubby (the Foundation of Dub comp, if it's still available) and Perry's production work on other people's tracks, through Perry's own compositions and Pablo's work, then through Mad Professor (Who Knows the Secret of Master Tape) and end up at Far-I. That said, the other tracks of his that I've heard are all relatively straight-edge compared to those on that album.

Somebody (Locust?) pointed me towards Linton Kwesi Johnson in an old, long-lost thread on this subject, and I'll be eternally grateful. Heavily political lyrics about life in race riot Britain, which are often set to a ska background, but have instrumental dub versions which are excellent in their own right. The Island collection, Independant Intavenshan, follows a similar sort of layout to a lot of the Perry comps - original, version, original, version, and so on.
 
 
at the scarwash
19:39 / 27.02.05
Two more for the Scratch Perry heap:

Revolution Dub is one of the earliest Black Ark productions, and I think, one of the earliest dub albums as such. Minimal, smoky-sounding, and just plain weird. On the track "Doctor on the Go," a television in the studio provides the bulk of the vocals. Great stuff

War Inna Babylon by Max Romeo and the Upsetters, which is probably not really a dub record in the strict sense, is still one of the finest realizations of the studio-as-an-instrument ethic that is central to the genre. All of the sounds on this record are perfect. And the songs are really fantastic.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:25 / 28.02.05
for me best dub sets are harry mudie meets king tubby in dub conference volumes 1-3, totally awesome deep dubs of some of the best rhythms to come out of jamaica in the 70s and periodically reissued so not hard to find

there are loads of king tubby dubs but they do vary in quality and i'd avoid indiscrimate buying as it can cost a lot for poor rewards, agree with previous posts about perry being not so great for the dubs, although blackboard jungle dub is a stone classic

a good start is to buy the rough guide to reggae which has a great dub chapter and lots of recommendations, also avoid any of the 90s abi-i-shanti digital dub stuff as it tends to be bland and samey.

heard an interesting modern take on dub from rhythm and sound last year, german techno producers with rots reggae artists, released an lp of dub versions which was worth a listen.

hope that helps

ps think 'rub a dub style' refers to the MC-ing over reggea dubs from the70s and early 80s. illmatic would know better than me if he is around.
 
 
coweatman
17:39 / 02.03.05
unless you really know what you're buying, i'd stick to 70s records and not stuff from the 80s or later. the cheese factor tends to be a lot higher after jamaica discovered really shitty sounding keyboards and tacky production values.
 
 
at the scarwash
19:43 / 02.03.05
oh, and venturing outside of dub purist land, Stefan Betke's first 3 records as Pole (innovatively titled CDs or LPs 1, 2, and 3) are fine fine fine. Warm, mysterious clicks and thrums. Digital, but ethereal. The essence of dub with reggae vaccuumed out of the cracks.
 
  
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