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Spaniel
12:23 / 15.02.05
Okay, I've asked before and I'll probably ask again, but can anyone point me in the direction of some decent horror fiction, the more obscure the better (no Lovecraft, King or Poe recommendations, please)?

I've just finished The Face by Dean Koontz which was, to my mind, unspeakable shit*, and I'm in desperate need of something good and scary to occupy my time.

Please bear in mind that I'm not interested in books with a horror component - I want to stick strictly to yer actual horror genre.


*If anyone wants to get into this, I'm ready!
 
 
Axolotl
14:24 / 15.02.05
Good Horror, right let's see: William Browning Spencer does some good stuff, don't let the fact that he was published by White Wolf put you off. My favourite is "Resume with Monsters" which combines Lovecraftian horror with the mundane world of temping. "Zod Wallop" is also good, though more whimsical (sometimes reminds me of magic realism).
Joe R. Lansdale can write some good horror, especially his short stories (though his crime stuff is imho better).
Kim Newman does some good fantasy/horror though it tends towards the splatter rather than a creepy atmosphere.
I don't know if he's a bit too obvious but Ramsey Campbell can normally be relied upon to get under your skin with his writing.
I'm not sure if it really counts as horror per se but Jim Thompson's "The Killer Inside Me" really creeped me out.
 
 
Spaniel
14:37 / 15.02.05
Ooh, Mr Spencer sounds inteersting, could you tell me more? And, no, Ramsay Campbell isn't too obvious although I have read a bunch of his stuff.
 
 
Axolotl
16:28 / 15.02.05
Right I'll do my best to describe his work, but I'm working from memory here. The horror is often mixed with very hum-drum realism, there's often question about whether the horrific elements are real or just in the protaganist's mind. There's a interview with him here that almost certainly will give you a better idea about the guy's work than I can.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:27 / 15.02.05
Spencer fucking rules- "Unnatural Fears" is truly wonderful. Alcoholics Anonymous as Lovecraftian cult, dipsomaniac protagonist... I loved it (and Resume With Monsters and Zod Wallop both kick ass too).

Thomas Ligotti- his stuff's a bitch to find (mostly short stories) but well worth the effort- puts me in mind of Lovecraft and Poe, although he's drastically different from either...

On a "lighter" note, I just read Bentley Little's "The Resort"- much more horror in a King/Herbert vein, but quite enjoyable and with some lovely creepy images. Not read any of his other stuff, but I'm tempted.

Simon Clark's pretty good, too, if you want to dispense with suspense and go straight for the jugular in a Richard Laymon stylee (only with better stories and less misogyny...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:33 / 15.02.05
Ooh! Ooh!
I forgot to mention Kathe Koja- there's something very Cronenberg about her, especially in "Skin". Performance art, extreme body modification- and she writes gorgeous prose. "Strange Angels" is a very, very good book too... one scene in particular I can picture perfectly in my head as if it was in a movie, and I known it would freak the piss out of me if it was done well. "Bad Brains" is more "traditional" modern horror, but still has that off-kilter, "somewhere along the way you've lost touch with normal life" feel to it.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:03 / 15.02.05
Ramsay Campbell is a great english horror writer - a much indebted to MR James (the daddy) as he is to Lovecraft, but with his own definite voice. Would recommend 'Demons by Daylight' (short story collection) as a starting point. Generally set in Liverpool and all the better for it - real sense of location always helps. Did some proper hallucinatory stuff in the seventies - hippy dream gone all fucked. Good stuff.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:05 / 15.02.05
Fuck. Just read the post recommending him. Sorry.
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:23 / 15.02.05
It didn't get the best reviews or responses when it came out, and I was fairly young when I read it but - disclaimers aside - I really enjoyed Summer of Night by Dan Simmons. Yeah it follows a tired formula, but has some wonderful moments, and it was a book that I picked up after I had become slightly jaded with reading for a while (long non-story) and it reminded me why I liked reading.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:19 / 16.02.05
Well in the same way that a fairly important component of good cinematic horror is really shitty production values, insofar as in something like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre you don't, ideally, have the impression of a guiding, civilising mind in the director's chair ( and as a film, let's face it, TTCW is much less frightening now it's 'a classic,' as is Day Of The Dead, whereas I'd imagine I Spit On Your Grave or that unspeakable cannibal movie would still be tough viewing, ) I'd tend to go for the kind of bloodcurdling trash that was widely available in the Seventies and Eighties ( The Amityville Horror, James Herbert, or, personal fave, Graham Masterton, ) as horror fiction, purely because the level of emotional investment in something like ( The ? ) Rats isn't at all clear, and could well be total. It's the badness of the writing that gives it it's edge, the feeling that it's genuinely meant, that there isn't necessarily anything that could save the author responsible, not x million quid, not anything, there's the same sense of creeping despair that's implicit in Roger Waters' solo albums. At least I can't picture anyone, having finished say The Devils Of D-Day by Graham Masterton ( or The Manitou, or Revenge Of The Manitou, or any of the others ) particularly wanting to go for a pint with the writer, in the same way that they might want to share a pot of tea and a pipe on the village green with MR James, or a bracing couple of absinthes with Edgar Allen Poe.

Why I like The Devils Of D-Day in particular though ( having not been near the thing in over seventeen years, ) is that even now, I could tell you the whole plot, as well as walk you through certain key scenes. And to be totally honest, I still have the occasional nightmare about The Amityville Horror, from around the same time - That bit when 'Jody,' looks out of the window, his red eyes blazing, trotters folded on the ledge... And they had it on Pebble Mill On One and everything, the devil pig, and the family supposedly involved.

I've yet to make it the end of the cinema adaptation, whereas The Exorcist just seems like a larf these days.

Otherwise,

The Golemn by Gustav Meyrink

The Devil Rides Out by Dennis Wheatley ( It's a bit less camp than the film )

Diary Of A Drug Fiend - Aleister Crowley

Or, in a very different way

The Room - Hubert Selby Jr, which there's nothing darker than, imho.
 
 
Spaniel
06:13 / 16.02.05
Thanks for the recommendations.

The Devil Rides Out is an interesting choice. I've read it, and I enjoyed it (as one enjoys high camp, which, to my mind, it is) but I wouldn't describe it as scary. I mean, seriously.
 
 
Spaniel
06:17 / 16.02.05
And, I'm not sure about the whole low production values thing. Yes, I agree, they can be very effective *in some cases*, but I wouldn't want to argue that quality writing always detracts from horror. My own experience suggests that isn't the case. And, frankly, Dean Koontz is about as good an example of low production values as you're likely to get, and he's fucking shit.
 
 
Sax
06:23 / 16.02.05
On no account be tempted to buy James Herbert's most recent (?) effort, Nobody True. I had a review copy lying around and read it while at low ebb one weekend and can honestly say it's the biggest pile of cack I've ever had the misfortune to run my eyes over.

Gustav Meyrink's The Golem is, however, the wasp's nipples.

Koji Suzuki's original novel The Ring, on which the movie was based, is a good, creepy read as well. How it stacks up to either celluloid version I don't know, 'cos I haven't seen either.

And another vote for Graham Masterton. He's so bad he's bad, daddio. Particularly read his series of books about dream warriors (sorry, can't remember the titles) which are like Nightmare on Elm Street crossed with some shit Marvel comic from the Eighties.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:12 / 16.02.05
Yeah, The Golem rules.

Suzuki's "Ring" is indeed excellent too- as is the sequel, "Spiral" (also recently translated- apparently "Dark Water" is coming out in English this summer- it's short stories, I believe, including the titular one on which the Nakata movie was based).

What else, what else?

Oh, has anyone mentioned Arthur Machen's "The Great God Pan" yet? Cos that's great, too. (And not at all "an incoherent nightmare of SEX!!!" as reviews at the time of publication would have you believe).
 
 
_Boboss
08:57 / 16.02.05
i like arthur machen. scary fairies, the welsh valleys and the depths of london are pretty frightening places, sex nightmares (i don't think the reviewers were that wrong really - there is a real sensualism in machen that james, ashton smith, lovecraft etc just don't have. the characters always welcome, are titillated by, the horror to begin with - the realised fear so much better than just being Victorian!), plus the knowledge that most his characters are just ciphers for the people he knew in the golden dawn and that.

i'm no horror buff though, words-wise: i thought clive barker was da mann when i was wee, mainly thinking of his in-the-closet-books, the hatred-of-the-flesh thing that's so funny in the movies is quite gruesome and stinks of obsession in the raw prose. books of blood and the damnation game are the ones i can think of there.
 
 
Spaniel
09:28 / 16.02.05
Some of these recommendations are producing wonderful amazon trails. An Arthur Machen search was particularly fruitful - I bumped into lots of interesting novels and authors.

Clive Barker's an interesting one. As much as I find all that body horror stuff occasionally disturbing, it just doesn't interest me. Weird and creepy are what do it for me.

Isn't Spiral a comic? And, if so, I already own it, and it is good.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:41 / 16.02.05
Re: Barker. "Sacrament" is, for me, his best book- it was criminally underrated at the time, and you never seem to see it on the shelves even though afaik it's not out of print. I've always wondered if that had anything to do with the fact that it was his most overtly "gay" novel, and this didn't go down well with a teenage Kerrang demographic brought in by Hellraiser.
Actually, it's probably more to do with the fact that the story is kind of hard to sum up in a shopper-friendly blurb.
Either way, it's a shame- as I say, I think it's his best.
 
 
Spaniel
09:53 / 16.02.05
Is it a horror novel? If so, what's so good about it?
 
 
Axolotl
10:01 / 16.02.05
In the "low budget" vein as a kid I remember being engrossed and terrified by Guy N. Smith's "Crab" books though from what I remember they were schlocky as hell and probably completely without literary merit.
Machen is very good, though I sometimes find his work a bit hard going, especially in large doses.
If you see them around it's often worth picking up the Chaosium (they publish the Call of Cthulhu RPG) reprints of old Lovecraftian horror. They normally take a central theme, e.g "Cthulhu's Heirs", "The Dunwich Cycle" and look at Lovecraft's influences and his followers. They also often re-print an author's entire lovecraftian oeuvre: The Bloch one ("Mysteries of the Worm" iirc) and the Robert E. Howard book are both excellent. They've lead me to check out some earlier horror writers and some later ones.
In fact some of the lesser known Lovecraft circle of writers are excellent. Bloch and Howard I've mentioned above but Henry Kuttner and Frank Belknap Long are well worth checking out, if difficult to find.
There's an old thread here with some interesting thoughts on the horror novel.
 
 
Spaniel
10:19 / 16.02.05
Has anyone read The Elementals (referred to by Mordant in the link above)? I can't find anything useful on Amazon or Google.
 
 
Axolotl
11:03 / 16.02.05
Amazon.com has some very postive reviews on it here and you can get it second-hand cheap through Abebooks or Amazon.co.uk.
 
 
Sax
11:07 / 16.02.05
Have you read any Shirley Jackson, Bobo? She did the book that the Haunting of Hill House was filmed from, but the only one I've read is We Have Always Lived In The Castle, which isn't overtly horror-fic but is very creepy and unsettling.
 
 
Spaniel
11:16 / 16.02.05
No I haven't. Sounds like the kind of thing I'm looking for.

I've seen the House on Haunted Hill - both versions - but didn't know it was originally a book.

Phy, thanks for the link. I'll have a read.
 
 
Spaniel
11:22 / 16.02.05
I meant The Haunting of Hill House.

Gotta love The Haunting. I seem to remember Jan de Bont referring to it as a "psychological horror movie". What a guy!
 
 
illmatic
14:25 / 16.02.05
I'll second the Arfur Mackin' recommendation - he really is amazing. But it's not a light read - really rich, disjointed prose that meanders through madness. The Hill of Dreams - does this count as a horror novel? it's part 1920/30s pastoral fantasty, still left me quite disturbed on finishing it.
 
 
Spaniel
14:39 / 16.02.05
Shirley and Arthur are definitely a go.

It's interesting that so many of the recommendations are for relatively old books. It seems to me - someone with a limited knowledge of the genre - that horror isn't exactly going through a renaissance at the mo'. Sure, there's your Koontzes and your Kings and your Herberts but where's the exciting young talent? Where's the Noons, the China Mievilles(sp?) of horror?

Assuming I've actually got a point, what the fuck is going on? Audiences still want to be scared, so where are the scary books?
 
 
A fall of geckos
14:48 / 16.02.05
In terms of classic horror, I would second the recommendations of Machen, MR James and Shirley Jackson (Haunting of Hill House is great and massively influential).

I would also suggest Algernon Blackwood, who (amongst other things) used the empty spaces and natural world of America to overwhelm his protagonists and as such stands as a major contemporary influence on Lovecraft.

At his best William Hope Hodgeson was absolutely brilliant (at his worst he comes across as a forerunner to Scooby-doo). The House on the Borderland is pretty uncomfortable, partially because of the relationships within it. Some of Carnacki the Ghost Finder is pretty good.

The children’s author E Nesbit was a pretty morbid writer of short stories – Man Sized In Marble is her most collected piece of writing.

I found Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu’s Green Tea to be fairly good, as is Oliver Onions's The Beckoning Fair One.

A lot of these should be available on the Gaslights site, or via google as etexts

In terms of contempary horror, I quite like the novels of Jonathan Aycliffe. His novels are fairly classic in form, drawing direct inspiration from stories by authors such as MR James, Ex Private X, Bram Stoker etc...

Probably the best of his books are Whispers In the Dark and Naomi's Room.
Whispers In the Dark is a Victorian set horror novel that mixes MR James style with the kind of occultism that was practiced by figures like John Dee, Mathers etc... Naomi's Room has a similar feel, but is set in modern London.

Overall Aycliffe comes across as a slightly more restrained Ramsay Campbell (though he is capable of truly unpleasant concepts).

I think Caitlin R. Kiernan is the best of the goth type horror writers, though I didn't rate her followup to Grant Morrison's work on Doom Patrol. When she's producing novels, she's got a good writing style and isn't afraid to have bad things happen to good people. I would recommend starting with Threshold, which approaches Lovecraft style horror through paleontology.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:07 / 16.02.05
'Saki' might be worth a shot also, BBB. There should be a Best Of available ( possibly better than the complete works, which as with Edgar Allen Poe might mean there's a bit of filler, depending on taste, ) but at his best, Hector Hugh Monro - Saki being the pseudonym - was something like Oscar Wilde meets MR James. Y'know, 'on acid.'
 
 
Jack Vincennes
20:42 / 16.02.05
Not sure if it's a proper horror book, but I was scared (and it's new) -I've just finished Taichi Yamada's Strangers. Brilliant ghost story, very creepy in terms of both the the setting and the completely zoned-out narrator. I'll say more about it if anyone's interested, but I've been wanting to recommend it here somewhere since I finished as it's been one of my favourite books this year.
 
 
rakehell
00:07 / 17.02.05
I've been thinking about getting back into horror novels myself and two names that I've had recommended to me are Pan Pantziarka and Matthew Stokoe. Both authors - judging from the comments on Amazon - fall into the splatterpunk camp and I don't know if that's your thing.
 
 
rakehell
00:13 / 17.02.05
Oops. Premature post reply disorder.

I don't know if that's your thing, but I'll be checking them out because I quite like gory horror and also because their novels sound like the next wave of splatterpunk. A little bit more considered and trying to be more than just an endless parade of gore - at least that's the feel I get from reading about Stokoe's "Cows".
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:49 / 17.02.05
Yeah, Caitlin Kiernan's great. "Silk"... fucking exellent. I was so into the characters it was almost a disappoitent when the story really kicked in) "Low Red Moon", her latest, as far as I know, continues with the Lovecraft thing... Still think "Silk"'s the best, though.

Bobossboy: Is it a horror novel? If so, what's so good about it?

Yes, it is, and I think what's so great about it is it hangs together in a most unBarkerish way. Although all his novels "work" imho, a lot of the time it seems like he's making stuff up as he goes along (not a bad thing, really- he has an ACE imagination) and then bringing it to a (usually very good) close. "Sacrament" just seems to fit together better, as I recall. (Bear in mind, I read it about six years ago, so I could be remembering it all wrong).

Made me cry, it did. (Not as much as the "dying dog" scene in Coldheart Canyon did, but enough.)
 
 
Spaniel
06:09 / 17.02.05
I don't think Barker's a shit writer, just that he doesn't do it for me. I mean, I don't feel trapped by my flesh - that could be something to do with the fact of my unrepressed heterosexuality.

Vincennes, do tell more. I love ghost stories.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:30 / 17.02.05
Excellent. It centeres around a scriptwriter in his late 40s, who's been divorced about a year and lives in an apartment block so clinical and close to the motorway that it's mostly used as office space -to the extent that his is one of two people there outside of office hours. Needless to say, he has very few friends. It's partly about some people he meets in his home town who may be the ghosts of his parents -all the scenes with them are very sweet, but there's something a bit off-kilter the whole time -and partly about his relationship with the other person who actually lives in his apartment block. I don't want to say too much and give anything away, so if I've made it sound dull that's my inability to describe the book and not the book itself!
 
 
A fall of geckos
13:27 / 17.02.05
Stoatie - Kiernan's released a sequal to Silk, called Murder of Angels. It's set ten years after Silk and uses the effects of the events of the first novel on the lives of two of the characters (Daria Parker and Niki Ky) to create a partially psycological dark horror/fantasy. Kiernan heavily blurrs the boundry between the minds of the the main characters (one of whom appears to be suffering from borderline schizophrenic episodes) and the apparently real/fantastic events that take place. The character's relationships and mental states seem to alway be overshadowed by the events they shared in the previous novel - they are survivors, trying to deal with their lives through denial or Klonopin, Elavil and Xanax.

It's probably more of a dark fantasy then Silk (parts reminded me of a twisted Alice in Wonderland) but If you liked Silk, I'd really advise getting hold of this.
 
  

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