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Reality Torturevision

 
 
iamus
19:45 / 12.02.05
Here.

So what's your view on this? The next logical step in our increasingly voyeuristic culture? Or a valid confrontation of things we should be paying more attention to?

It sounds like a bit of both to me. There's a distinct "bread and circuses" tang to it, and it's debatable how much it will actually change, if anything. But it's sure to revive public attention and recieve a Daily Mail response more vitriolic than the actual events it's inspired by.
 
 
Ganesh
22:24 / 12.02.05
Surely the fact that a self-selecting subgroup is volunteering to undergo the likes of "religious humiliation" negates even the faintest pretence that this show is making any sort of serious, generalisable point about the effects of such practices? I'm assuming it's for entertainment value alone, in which case it seems like crap entertainment.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:38 / 12.02.05
That was my initial reaction, but apparently it's being broadcast as part of a "season" of stuff on C4 about torture- this context would suggest that at least the AIM is something more than pure voyeurism. However, as we all know, the most well-meaning of programmers can fuck up horrendously at times (see- Joey Deacon, Minipops...)
 
 
Ganesh
23:08 / 12.02.05
Sure. My point is, if one actively volunteers to undergo "religious humiliation" on Channel 4, then it is, IMHO, unlikely that one is of sufficiently strong religious faith for this to be meaningful - or, at least, as meaningful as it would be for those incarcerated in Guantanamo. Also, the individuals concerned know their ordeal will be over in 48 hours; they don't have years of (ultimately maddening/deadening) uncertainty to contend with.
 
 
iamus
23:34 / 12.02.05
Well it's pretty much a given that it's not going to have anywhere near the impact on those involved that actual imprisonment and torture has. From the off, it would have to be a concensual thing, so it's going to be a bit diluted. It reminds me a little of the stanford prison experiment.

Might not be a bad thing though. Like the recent autopsies on TV. Just because people might be watching it for the wrong reasons, doesn't mean they're not learning something along the way.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:33 / 13.02.05
Ganesh- oh yeah, totally. I'm not saying it's good, or will even be particularly informative, and obviously the experience will be nowhere near the same.

BUT... (and it's a big but, considering that this will probably be Actually Shit, like much current TV output) is there some argument for doing this on the grounds that viewers actually SEEING (at least a simulation of) what goes on may actually be affected more than by merely reading vague newspaper reports? In that way, I guess it's not that much different from a Crimewatch reconstruction.
 
 
Ganesh
06:25 / 13.02.05
Maybe - and I suppose the premise is that all those viewers will think "hey, if they're going through all that agony in one consenting 48-hour period, then just imagine what the people in Guantanamo are going through". That may or may not happen. Either way, I guess I'm sceptical about the likelihood of anything particularly beneficial coming from this programme, in terms of sufficient quantifiable outrage for viewers to do anything productive about it (such as not voting for our current Prime Minister on the grounds that he's indirectly helped legitimise such practices).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:25 / 28.02.05
The Guardian has this to say about it...

The most startling aspect cf the programme was how convincing the distress of the participants became, even though they kruew that they would suffer no real harm.

Monitoring by a doctor showed that their resting heartbeats had risen by 40%, indicating stress and fear. The Bush administration might object that taking part in any television gameshow would have the same effect but, when one contestant develops hypothermia and another starts to vomit, it’s clear that this has ceased to be pretence.

Dramatising the actions of the interrogators, the show was also very sharp on language. Because “sleep deprivation” is forbidden by the Geneva Convention, the Guantanamo captives are subject to “sleep adjustment”, although the linguistic subtlety of this adjustment maybe lost on the captives. Later at Guantanamo, “suicide” was reclassified as “manipulative self-injurious behaviour”, thereby achieving a steep drop in the suicide rate.

When the show was first announced, it sounded like a nightmare of bad-taste television. In fact, The Guantanamo Guidebook turns out to be an impeccable exercise in liberal journalism: its revelatory intentions are more serious than many TV news bulletins.


Still not sure... I think it's on tonight, isn't it?
 
  
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