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The Church of Chris Martin

 
 
Colonel Kadmon
00:10 / 09.02.05
The Church of Chris Martin

Take a look at this site I made. It's devoted to Singer, Songwriter, Philosopher, and "greatest poet who ever lived", Coldplay's Chris Martin. While there are many sites covering his musical career, this is the only one which concerns his PHILOSOPHICAL and SPIRITUAL ideas.

The modern world faces spiritual crisis. Church attendance is at an all time low, yet Coldplay's popularity continues to climb. NEED I SAY MORE?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:44 / 12.02.05
Well, apart from the 'what else is Yellow? Chinese people!' 'gag', very amusing.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
19:15 / 16.03.05
What's wrong with that? Chinese people are yellow, aren't they?
 
 
Liger Null
20:11 / 16.03.05
No, they're actually more of a pale honey beige, just like "white" people.
 
 
Olulabelle
13:21 / 17.03.05
Is there a point to this?
 
 
TeN
14:01 / 17.03.05
It's funny.
and as for the "chinese people" comment - you guys need to get a sense of humor and stop being so pc. this is satire. things like that aren't meant to be taken seriously.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:46 / 17.03.05
Ah, humour. Famed thoughout the world for it's lack of subjectivity. It's not like binary, TeN. It's not 'is' or 'is not'.

Now, what I was actually asking was why is this thread in Creation? Other than Odd Vibrant Eros appears to have made the site. Would it not be better placed in Conversation?
 
 
Brigade du jour
12:10 / 18.03.05
'Crossed lines - The Cross, need I say more (also reminiscent of Ghostbusters)'

BWAH HA HA!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:09 / 18.03.05
you guys need to get a sense of humor and stop being so pc.

And you and OVE need to fuck off and find another board. This one would appear to be a good fit.
 
 
TeN
17:59 / 18.03.05
"And you need to fuck off and find another board."
um? unprovoked hostility?
All I was saying was that the "what else is yellow?" joke shouldn't be taken as an insult to asians. The website is satirical, and the "voice" it is written in isn't Odd Vibrant Eros's, but rather an ignorant and confused person which provides us with much humor. The crux of the joke is that this imaginary author is so foolish that nothing he says should be taken seriously. To acuse Odd Vibrant of being racially insensitive is (in my opinion at least) ridiculous. If you're opinion differs from that, so be it. But there's no reason to be up in arms over something so trite.
And if you think that telling another member on the board to lighten up is worthy of such a harsh response, then I would direct the same response to you as I did to Our Lady...
Lighten up, Spatula Clarke.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:17 / 18.03.05
Ever so sorry. Please, do continue to attempt to justify casual racism with the "just a joke" excuse. We don't hear it enough round here.
 
 
lekvar
21:44 / 18.03.05
Just so you're aware, TeN, the phrase "stop being so pc" is generally considered provocation hereabouts.

No judgement implied here, just sayin'.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
10:48 / 24.03.05
If I said "Scottish people are white", would that be casual racism?

And it's in Creation because it's a creative project by me. Also, your all invited to contribute to the forum on the site.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:52 / 24.03.05
Yeah? Well you're ("you are", contracted) still invited to fuck off.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
14:12 / 24.03.05
Well, apart from winning cheap points on accidental grammer mistakes, I don't really understand Shaftoes point. If he has one.

Racism is discrimination, not description. The vast majority of Chinese people are a colour which is usually described as yellow, just as most (but not all) Africans are black, and most Europeans white. Where's the insult?

However, the point I made above is wrong, admittedly. There are many asian and black Scots. Change it to "If I say caucasians are white, is that casual racism?"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:31 / 25.03.05
So, just to be clear, TeN is wrong when he describes your description of Chinese people as "yellow" as a humorous representation of an ignorant and confused young man? You do in fact believe that there is nothing complex about describing Chinese people as "yellow", but it is simply a descriptive fact that the term that best describes Chinese people is "yellow".

Well, that clears that up. TeN, how are you doing on that? PC still going mad in your corner of the world?
 
 
iamus
15:03 / 25.03.05
I can't speak for him, but all the Policemen 'round these parts have been foaming at the mouth in the most unnerving way recently.
 
 
iamus
15:04 / 25.03.05
Shit.


Policepersons.
 
 
+#'s, - names
16:47 / 25.03.05
Is the free webhosting worth the pop up ads?

and why does every hyperlink opens up a new window? the browsers usually contain back buttons.
 
 
TeN
18:17 / 25.03.05
Haus, the claim that calling an asian person "yellow" is not deragatory is not one that I made, and not one that I agree with, so I don't see why you would attribute it to me. Obviously, I think it would be offensive to call an asian or a Chinese person "yellow," and if Odd Vibrant Eros were sincere in this comment, I would find it to be in poor taste, just as many of you have deemed it to be. But he is not being sincere, he is being satirical, sarcastic, parodical. Your reaction amounts to outrage over the proposition of eating Irish babies.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:01 / 26.03.05
TeN: I suggest you work a little harder on your English comp. You said:

The website is satirical, and the "voice" it is written in isn't Odd Vibrant Eros's, but rather an ignorant and confused person which provides us with much humor. The crux of the joke is that this imaginary author is so foolish that nothing he says should be taken seriously. To acuse Odd Vibrant of being racially insensitive is (in my opinion at least) ridiculous.

Eros then said:

Racism is discrimination, not description. The vast majority of Chinese people are a colour which is usually described as yellow, just as most (but not all) Africans are black, and most Europeans white. Where's the insult?

That is, he disagreed with your analysis of his work. He was not intending to use the term "yellow" of Chinese people as a satire on the stupidity of his fictional narrator - he (Eros) simply believes that calling Chinese people "yellow" is a simple and uncomplicated descriptive act. You don't seem to have noticed this post, which is presumably why you then said:

Haus, the claim that calling an asian person "yellow" is not deragatory is not one that I made, and not one that I agree with, so I don't see why you would attribute it to me.

I made no such attribution. I wrote in response to Eros:

So, just to be clear, TeN is wrong when he describes your (Eros') description of Chinese people as "yellow" as a humorous representation of an ignorant and confused young man? You (Eros) do in fact believe that there is nothing complex about describing Chinese people as "yellow", but it is simply a descriptive fact that the term that best describes Chinese people is "yellow".

You seem to have misunderstood that. However, you believe that:

Obviously, I think it would be offensive to call an asian or a Chinese person "yellow," and if Odd Vibrant Eros were sincere in this comment, I would find it to be in poor taste, just as many of you have deemed it to be.

Eros believes that:

Racism is discrimination, not description. The vast majority of Chinese people are a colour which is usually described as yellow, just as most (but not all) Africans are black, and most Europeans white. Where's the insult?

Have a read back.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:53 / 26.03.05
TeN, you might want to read this. Also this, there have also been direct discussions on the use of the 'N' and 'P' words before, but I've just had a quick look and can't find them, possibly in an older iteration of the board.

However, this is all in danger of blowing way out of proportion. It was, in my opinion, a misjudged but small comment on one page. I couldn't have predicted this riot starting over it...
 
 
TeN
16:50 / 26.03.05
"So, just to be clear, TeN is wrong when he describes your (Eros') description of Chinese people as "yellow" as a humorous representation of an ignorant and confused young man?"
notice the question mark, Haus.

I cannot speak on Eros' behalf, but I think by interpreting his statements as literal and entirely serious you are missing the point. it seems to me that he is just having a bit of fun arguing for arguments sake. and obviously, he must be doing something right, as plenty of you seem to have your panties in a bundle over this.

I'm not so much defending Eros (as I don't know his intentions for sure) as I am criticising the likes of you for your overblown response on this matter. Even if Eros is serious (and given the context, I'd wager his tongue is at least somewhat planted in his cheek) I don't think the comment is any grave offense.

The United Nations defines "racist discrimination" as "...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life." (source) Because the thing in question is merely a written statement, and not an action, we can rule out the "exclusion" and "restriction" parts, and focus on whether or not Eros' comment shows any racial "distinction" or "preference." As Eros stated himself, "The vast majority of Chinese people are a colour which is usually described as yellow." Now, while that is true, I realize that many of you will point to the history of the term "yellow" when applied to people of asian origin, which is needless to say, generally a discriminatory one. This argument cannot be ignored, and it is for this reason that we may not be able to truly settle this debate. However, looking at the second part of the definition, we see that it does not necesarilly apply. In what way does saying Chinese people are yellow "[nullify] or [impair] the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life[?]" I see no racism in Eros' statement. In fact, I don't see how what OVE has written would do any harm besides offending some over-sensitive message board members.

Also, in response to Spatula Clarke's edit: regardless of what you may think, I am in no way a "conservative." Not even close. If having a single differing opinion from a fellow leftist classifies me as right-wing, I fear greatly for the future of free-thinking.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:01 / 26.03.05
"So, just to be clear, TeN is wrong when he describes your (Eros') description of Chinese people as "yellow" as a humorous representation of an ignorant and confused young man?"
notice the question mark, Haus.


I notice it. I was asking Eros to clarify. You appear not to have understood this exchange. I did not attribute at that point the claim that calling an asian person "yellow" is not derogatory to you, nor at any point. As I said, you might want to work on your reading comp.

as plenty of you seem to have your panties in a bundle over this.

Interestingly, the unimaginative often seem to reach for much the same underwear metaphors when accusing others of oversensitivity. If you had read the threads linked to above, which it seems you have not, you might notice that this is observed therein. Given your record on losing your shit like a furious pre-teen, it might be best if you managed a more successful critique than "you are all upset, therefore I am best and win". I don't think anyone is terribly upset, merely rather bored at a repetitive idiocy that we don't particularly need to indulge. If Eros sincerely believes that there is no possible offense to be taken in the simply factual description of Asian people as "yellow", as you now seem to state also, despite having previously claimed that the claim that calling an asian person "yellow" is not derogatory is not one you ever made, and indeed that it is not one you would agree with - Obviously, I think it would be offensive to call an asian or a Chinese person "yellow - although it seems now that you do agree with it - he is ignorant. If he is pretending to be an idiot to get attention, that attention will be given in good faith on the assumption that he wishes to be treated as an idiot. It's his choice, inasmuch as he is competent to make it, as it is yours or any of ours.

Meanwhile, tell you what. Why don't you go down to your nearest Chinatown, or Koreatown or similar area with a significant Asian population, and start calling people "yellow". See how it goes. Have fun!
 
 
TeN
23:37 / 26.03.05
I really see no reason for this "discussion," if it's fit to be called that, to continue any further - none of us have budged an inch, we've reached no answers, nor asked any new questions, and have, sadly, resorted to mudslinging. As for my rash and immature posting in the photography thread, I've already apologized for it here and here (in my response to Tannhauser).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:31 / 27.03.05
Indeed. Perhaps you should now apologise for the rude and unmerited:

you guys need to get a sense of humor and stop being so pc

rather than attempting to rules-lawyer what is and is not offensive.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:35 / 27.03.05
On the plus side, I don't think it's fair to say none of us have budged an inch - your position on whether or not it is offensive to call Chinese people yellow has undergone a 180 degree turn, apparently without you noticing. That's a silent revolution.
 
  
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