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Francesca Lia Block - Dangerous Angels

 
 
Cat Chant
17:23 / 08.02.05
What do you think of Francesca Lia Block's Dangerous Angels series? I don't know what I think, so I'm asking my favourite people.

She's a Young Adult writer who writes modern-day fairy tales about this big, queer, semi-related, semi-adoptive, sort-of-family of kids who fall in love with each other and start bands and take drugs and eat food and, when really in trouble, do rituals helpfully provided for them by the Wise Native American who lives next-door. Lots of detailed descriptions, metaphors, poetry, magical realism and actual magic.

The things I like about her and the things I'm cautious about tend to be the flip side of each other. For instance: I think she actually is one of the most successful writers of modern-day fairy tales, managing to blend romanticized urban settings with 'archetypal' references and contemporary moral cautions/prescriptions; but then on the other hand, the way she blends reality and fantasy together tends to erase things like, well, the economic (the family's income source is making movies about their lives). But then on the one hand, it's nice to have a fantasy about a world where everyone can live well through their creativity...

For another example, I like how her books have a lot of non-white characters, and in particular mixed-race kids (not enough mixed-race people in fiction), but I don't like how the main characters are all white, with the mixed-race, Hispanic and/or black kids being described mainly in terms of their physical beauty, and the Native American characters being called upon for magical help (so that they only end up being in the story to benefit the white characters, who aren't really ethnicized).

So... I don't know. Tangent isn't much help to me, as she profoundly hates them and starts spitting with rage and going "Whimsical!!" every time I read bits to her. (She does this about Bjork, as well, though actually Tori Amos is probably the closest match to FLB on the musical level.)

Here's a link to the FLB community on Livejournal, which might give you some idea of the kind of thing that goes on: FLB community.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:53 / 11.02.05
I hadn't heard of her, but will try and find one of these - are they published over here, or is my best bet Forbidden Planet?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:21 / 21.02.05
OK, I have now acquired and read Weetzie Bat. My first reaction to it was 'oh God, how twee'. But I did appreciate the matter-of-fact portrayal of the queer family (and the fact that it was indicated in places that everything was not quite so hunky-dory outside the family house when it came to acceptance of such things), and I can certainly see why youngsters would love them to pieces... the characters seem to be described by the way they appear rather than by behaviour as such, and I think it would be easy to imagine oneself as the heroine or hero of such a fairytale. And the books don't shy away from dealing with big issues, such as queerness (duh), polyamory, birth outside the traditional family unity, sex, death. But - I think it may be an aesthetic objection on my part - I found the references to strawberry sundaes, glitter, feathers pretty unbearable. I was also a little disconcerted by the apparently carefree manner in which Weetzie et al decide to have a child... and found the style in places a little too simple to be satisfactory (to me, that is - it is obviously satisfactory to tons of readers, so...)

Maybe I would appreciate them more if I read further in the series, but I don't feel compelled to do that. Yet.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:09 / 22.02.05
I sort of do feel compelled to read further in the series, but that's not necessarily a recommendation - I'm a compulsive. I have to read to the end of almost everything. Even the da Vinci FUUuuuuuuuuuuck.

I'm in two minds on "Weetzie Bat". It was certainly very *readable* - I tore through it in about 45 minutes. Possibly that's a factor in my ambivalence - there's not an awful lot of text there, and it seems odd to release this in such small and expensive chunks, especially since the subect matter suggests a teen audience.

Pro: The normality of the poly family group - or at least, that it is not represented as wrong or weird that the family group exists as it does. The readiness to deal with drug addiction, homosexuality, AIDS et al, which are often ignored in YA fiction, and also to deal with them in a consistently magic-realist way. The bit where Bam-Bam seroconverts in particular made me feel a bit teary, although that could have been general mood. If I was a child of a non-traditional unit dealing with issues of social acceptance and family bereavement, I'm sure I'd be very glad of this book.

Con: Hang on, I *am* and I'm not. The characters are not only irritatingly hip, but also have no real emotional weight - as Kit-Cat more positively says, they don't really exist. They float about without interiority, so it's hard to care when good things or bad things happen, because it doesn't seem like they do, really. Weetzie gets quasi-raped in the second chapter or so, and it just sort of wanders past.

Case in point - the decision to have a child. Weetzie and co. behave abominably - she decides forcibly and without consent to enrol Secret Agent etc. into the niche they have created for him, sleeps with her friends behind his back without even telling him, and then gets him back anyway, not because of anything she does, but just because she and her unit are so great. I sort of hope that Witch Baby turns out to be an agent of bloody Nemesis, but I imagine she's just going to be a goth, and cheer up a lot at the end of book two anyway. It's almost a textbook on how and why to behave unethically in a relationship, and my warm fuzzies about how nice it is to see the heterosexual binary disrupted do nothing to change that.

As Deva has observed, the non-white characters are sidelined - Jah Love and his wife feel like, if you'll excuse the phrasing, colour. SAetc's friend Coyote doesn't get a line, much less a plotline. They call their child Cherokee despite the Jeep Cherokee playing about as important a part in their lives as the Cherokee nation (she wears feathers. He had a mohawk. They fight tokenism). The gay characters are also sidelined, in a way - this is probably a symptom of the narrative focus being on Weetzie, and thus on her relationship with SAetc, and may not be universal, and it's still ahead on points for having gay characters who have sex (and possibly trick), so grumble grumble. My copy of Weetzie Bat had the opening chapter of Witch Baby, and the description of the Native Americans there - beautiful and picturesque and trusting and dying - gave me presentiments of Deva's comment.

I think the movies about their lives sum up in some ways my ambivalence - FLB is mythologising them mythologising themselves...

Hmmm. So, very mixed feelings. On the one, I'm glad that there are books out there presenting YAs with the idea that there is something other than the mechanisms of the romance novel or the adventure story. I certainly see what Deva means about the modern fairy story, and it is unfair in some ways to accuse it of being unrealistic when that is clearly not its intention. On the other, there's something very self-satisfied about the writing depicting them, and about the depictions - their sadnesses are temporally and physically brief, and I find their delight in being them a bit wearing. I'm hoping that Witch Baby will leaven that a bit, or pondering whether it may be the characters and that I should try a book of hers outside this series... or reread this one. Yes.
 
 
Ex
10:17 / 24.02.05
I've also read the first one. I tried to see the flatness and lack of interiority of the characters as a useful reflection of the way people are their roles in fairy tales, and a tribute to the articificiality of LA which is so celebrated. Also, you don't have to dig into someone's brain to sketch out a sense of depth and soul; you can do it quite lightly, and the description of the group mourning Weetzie's father's death worked well for me.

On the other hand, I (like the KCC) have little sympathy with feathers, frosted lipstick and fringed jeans, so I suspect it was creating a glittering world for me that was just too bloody glittery for me. I've seen things equally badly outlined that resonated for me better - I find Ted Naifeh's 'How Loathsome' at least partially touching, when I imagine many people would find it punchable. It's similarly constructing a hipster underworld at least as implausible and shallow and given to melodramatic overstatement as Weetzie Bat but it just hit more areas of interest for me (those being, to my shame, Goths, fake hair, moody monochrome line drawings and genderfuck). They both they chuck an array of gorgeous items at you, and if you feel engaged by them, it works.

Possibly the babies fucked it for me. I know that part of the function of the fairy tale is for the Prince and the Princess to have Two Beautiful Children, and I like the fact that you can have a big nonnormative group family doing that. But stuff me. "Let's adopt this child out of our overwhelming love, and make a halfhearted attempt to call it 'Lily', but end up plumping for 'Witch Child' instead!" I'm used to meeting that kind of kid at the age of about 12 in YA novels, when after a childhood of misery, they strike out for the City, or to track down their mother's lost magical inheritance. But I'm not used to the heroes and heroines being the ones who express reluctance to raise them in case they're adepts at voodoo. Yes, there's a sort of ritual conversation where Weetzie ressures the others that WITCH CHILD won't be any trouble at all, but for some reason it poked my buttons.

Possibly it's hard to do intergenerational stories in YA fantasy fiction, because of a standard pattern: the older generation are harsh, absent or neglectful, and give a derogatory role/name to the young hero or heroine who then reclaims it, rejects it, or just buggers off and enjoys hirself. Although the Sabriel/Lirael/Abhorsen books managed to incorporate two generations, the starring youngster from the second generation is not the offspring of the first hero and heroine (and can thus be orphaned, neglected, seeking her fortune etc).

Would be interested to read the others (get smiting, Witch Child).
 
 
illmatic
10:01 / 25.02.05
Oh Barbelith, will no one stand up in defence of strawberry sundae sunglasses and frosted eyeshadow? I’ve now read “Weetzie Bat” and thought that one of the things that was great about it was this sense of aesthetics throughout, in the detailing of Weetzie & Co.’s objects of desire/fascination, as well as the prose – this particularly came out at the end for me with the mention of the Shangri LA film. The whole effect reminded me of the photographs of David LaChappelle, and I’ve always wanted to live in the world depicted in his photos (even if I’m not the most “stylistically inclined” myself). Possibly this relates to the depictions of race, as I’ve certain seen LaChapelle use different ethnicities as “glamour” – just seems more jarring in a novel.

Was a bit too brief though, I’d like to read some of the others, but a fiver seems a lot to pay for 45minutes reading – I’d imagine though that for the target audience the books are read again and again, until the pages fall out. I'd also think that the "irritating hipness" is a compelling factor in reading for the target audience.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:03 / 25.02.05
Yeah - whereas my favourite children's books tend to have main characters who are more serious and more miserable than the world around them, which may well be a factor...
 
 
Ex
20:42 / 26.02.05
I'll stand up for the detail and profusion of the images - they're really impressively layered and do capture a visual world nicely. It just doesn't inspire me or make me aspire to it. I don't get grabbed by Lachapelle either; it's that technicolour hyper-detailed surface gloss, again. They are rather similar.
I will have another go at bits of the novel trying to remember that I don't actually have to hang out with any of the characters (I still require companions from young adult fiction in a way that I don't from adult fiction) and that I don't have to start wearing frosted lipstick myself (similarly, with the style tips).
 
 
Cat Chant
15:25 / 09.03.05
I tried to see the flatness and lack of interiority of the characters as a useful reflection of the way people are their roles in fairy tales, and a tribute to the artificiality of LA which is so celebrated

Sigh. Thanks for this in particular, Ex, which helps me put my finger on why I think these books are (some of) the most successful modern fairy tales I've ever read - but all these posts have been really helpful to me. Once again, Barbelith gives form and precise expression to the inchoate sensations in my mind. So I don't really have anything else to add just now.
 
 
Cat Chant
15:33 / 09.03.05
Oh no, I do. On the aesthetics and the glittery objects: one of the things that was great about it was this sense of aesthetics throughout, in the detailing of Weetzie & Co.’s objects of desire/fascination, as well as the prose

I think is really key - the relationship between the lists/descriptions of glittery objects of desire and the prose in which they're described. One of the things that strikes me about the books - and this is maybe what other people are getting at when they talk about the ease/speed of reading them - is the way they're written like picture-books, or like books to be read aloud to very young children: lots of repetition and lists of names (think of Chicken Licken) or something. A nursery-rhyme feel even more than a fairy-tale one. And I do find that really appealing, myself: it makes me want to curl up on my Auntie Francesca's lap and be told a story. I think there's something nice about having that 'childish' pleasure in storytelling in a Young Adult novel - that you don't have to get 'better' or more 'literary' to be able to deal with, you know, issues.
 
 
gridley
21:01 / 17.03.05
I've been a fan of Francesca's books for years now. I love the candy-coated way she writes and the slippy, trippy lives of her characters.

If you keep reading, you will see more depth in the characters, more invasaion from gritty realism, much in the same way that One Hundred Years of Solitude starts with out and out magical realism, then slow lets the realism expand until the magic is all but gone. The story really get going when Witch Baby and Cherokee Bat grow up and take the starring roles.

As a sort of side note, these books were not originally intended to be YA. She wrote the first four books (the four now collected into Dangerous Angels) as a single adult novel, but her publisher choose to break it up and market it for a YA audience (which probably worked out for the best).
 
  
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