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Tolerance

 
 
Colonel Kadmon
00:12 / 03.02.05
I have to admit to being a little disturbed by the anger - yes, anger - that has bubbled up in response to Quimper's recent postings. Particularly the King Felix one, which asks a perfectly reasonable question.

I don't understant why it acceptable to be nasty to him/her, whether what they say is aload of pish or not. There was much talk of "But we've all been through this already! lol!!" But whether this is true or not, it doesn't matter - it is still just as relevant to Quimper.

Gypsy, Lepidopteran, et al, I urge you towards compassion and understanding. Because hatred is just not not very Magical, is it? Or is MacGregor Mathors your role-model?

After all, if what a person posts is not relevant to you, JUST DON'T REPLY! If everyone feels the same, it'll disappear soon enough. But some people join Barbelith at the beginning of their Magical Life, and need all the help they can get.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:47 / 03.02.05
I have to admit to being a little disturbed by the anger - yes, anger - that has bubbled up in response to Quimper's recent postings.... Gypsy, Lepidopteran, et al, I urge you towards compassion and understanding. Because hatred is just not not very Magical, is it?

Fuck you. I couldn't give a fuck what you think. If it disturbs you that much wear a fucking helmet when you read the...

Only kidding. It's not hatred, it's not even anger, it's Severity. Which is as important to a healthy and productive magical life, community and, indeed, functioning message board, as Mercy and compassion are.

Quimper 666 spent much of last week engaging in troll-like activity, posting third rate conspiracy rants, then getting upset when they were met with the sort of criticism that, I strongly believe, raises the temple forum above the average inane magic/conspiracy message board. S/he showed no signs of being interested in addressing any of these criticisms or contributing to the wider discussion, and ended up randomly trolling another thread with comments of the "you sad, pathetic wankers" variety.

That, to my mind, would be grounds enough to tell someone to fuck off and go somewhere else. Which I think I did at the time. The onus is now on Quimper 666 to prove that, if s/he is going to stick around, s/he is going to contribute something other than abuse and one-sided rants. If s/he does that, then great, barbelith can never have enough interesting and intelligent posters. But, based on their history of rants about psychic enlightenment via raping babies, I'm not going to hold my breath for that. The third rule of magic: act like a twat, expect to be treat like a twat.

I am fairly tolerant. As soon as Quimper 666 said they were trying to be on their best behaviour, I stopped taking shots and instantly withdrew from the thread. That, to my mind, is tolerance and compassion. Everyone deserves a second chance.

Incidentally, MacGregor Mathers, 21 year old bohemian magical prodigy who was single handedly responsible for composing much of the structure of what we've inherited as "western occultism", ain't so bad a role model to have in my book.
 
 
rising and revolving
10:06 / 03.02.05
I've kept off the Quiper-bashing train, because it just doesn't interest me much. Although PKD is one of my pet topics, even so.

That said, I think if you look back to both James Champagne and X (formerly Vakhu) you get examples of people who copped a load of Gypsys severity stick in their early days. In no way has this stopped them becoming some of key posters in this forum - and in fact, I think if it weren't for a little Boaz-style severity, I doubt they would have have bloomed into such delicate flowers.

That's the good thing about the Temple - no-one tolerates you being a twat - but if you decide to shake off your twattish nature and put on a happy cap, no-one holds your past against you.
 
 
rising and revolving
10:09 / 03.02.05
Oh, fucks sake. You take ten minutes to refer to people in a post and they go changing fic-suits on you. Bastards.
 
 
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12:07 / 03.02.05
Ha, sorry Janus.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:18 / 03.02.05
I, personally, have yet to not be tolerant of quimper. If anything, I've gone out of my way to explain the negative response ze has received and make it clear that ze is still welcome as long as ze behaves like a contributing member of the community and not a pest. I'm wary of hir motives, yes, but ze brough it on hirself.

~L
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:46 / 03.02.05
Dude, the "load of pish" aspect of quimper's posting is annoying, but it isn't what's got everyine all riled up. That would be the confrontational, aggressive, windup-merchant angle.

I'm sorry if you feel that we've been harshing on q666, but frankly if one starts threads entitled "Meta-rape" (with "Babies don't remember rape, ergo it's fine" as the thread summary; charming touch, that) and consisting wholly or entirely of material which one has cut-and-pasted from elsewhere, without giving due credit to the original author or source, people get a tad suspicious of your motives. If one then proceeds to pull the same kind of shit a few times over a period of months, people become exasperated. If one then pulls the same shit a lot of times over a period of a few days, people tend to lose their collective rag and get all harsh. I'm also sorry if there is a limit to the Temple's appetite for regurgitated material, but them's the breaks.

It seems to me that quimper666 brought his anger with him, and has only been paid back in his own coin. If he calms down a bit he might see a different side to the Temple.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:51 / 03.02.05
PS: Lepidopteran has been the soul of gentle patience, offering helpful advice and striving to find positive interpretations of quimper's posts. I'm very impressed. Just thought I'd mention that.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:02 / 03.02.05
Is anyone else reading the topic summary of this thread and thinking "Identity Crisis #1... it's good!"?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:32 / 03.02.05
 
 
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02:35 / 04.02.05
Well, I was never trolling. I just whined a lot.
 
  
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