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Our Reaction To Deep Sea Creatures

 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:49 / 28.01.05
Okay, this thread is about our reactions to other organisms that are strange/rare...for example creatures from the deep sea:



What I'm interested in is the fact that most of us, on seeing the above creature for the first time would probably be a bit shocked/disgusted. I know I was.

What causes this? Why do we feel like this, instead of feeling "What an adorable little pet"?

(thanks to the Tsunami thread for the pic)
 
 
Mirror
23:10 / 28.01.05
I think that it must be primarily a conditioned response instilled by parents to keep their kids from picking up unknown and potentially dangerous things.

I don't seem to have a negative response to such things myself, and I suspect that it's because my parents weren't really the protective type and so I was always free to explore whatever sort of weird stuff I would find as a kid.

That being said, it doesn't look exactly "cuddly" - but that's a learned response from finding it unpleasant to have cold, wet and sticky things against my skin (with certain exceptions! )
 
 
sine
01:04 / 29.01.05
It has to do with the genetic "alien-ness" of such things...I mean, look at deep sea squid. They're pretty bright, smarter than many mammals, but we're hard pressed to find something else with a brain that big so distant from us. We let our eyes roam over rubbery skin in vain, desperate for evidence of a face. From there, 's'hard not to think that if you were to cut one of these things open it would be filled with black strings of ick and hatred.

Though, I'll confess, the beasty in your photo is kinda cute...them big plush-doll eyes...
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:12 / 29.01.05
My parents weren't particularly protective, either. Once I picked a dead baby bird off the sidewalk and put it in my mouth, right in front of my mother & stepfather. But those ugly fish make me want to "run barfing." There are several reasons.

1) I'll tell you a little secret about product design. People like things that look like they'd feel nice coming out of their butts. This is why cars, sneakers, toothbrushes, office buildings, phones, electronic equipments, pens, eyewear, hi-performance outdoor grills, tape dispensers and furniture have all become inexorably sleeker and rounder (maybe with an occasional gnurl or tickler, but nothing too daunting) over the last 40 years or so. Some of those fish look quite a bit like they'd feel nice coming out of your butt, until you see the huge jaw full of crazy teeth. Have you ever read Stephen King's Dreamcatcher?

2) I got several throat infections every year when I was a child. This may be linked to eating dead baby birds off the ground, I dunno. On two separate occasions, I obtained an abcessed tonsil, which had to be lanced and drained with a big needle that the ER doctor poked into the back of my throat--repeatedly, to get out all the pus. Now, I never looked directly at one of these abcesses, but in my mind's throat's eye, they looked quite a lot like some of those deep sea fish.

3) Then there are the ones that look like the severed heads of Croats, discovered in a crawl-space beneath a government building.
 
 
sine
03:28 / 29.01.05
1) I'll tell you a little secret about product design. People like things that look like they'd feel nice coming out of their butts. This is why cars, sneakers, toothbrushes, office buildings, phones, electronic equipments, pens, eyewear, hi-performance outdoor grills, tape dispensers and furniture have all become inexorably sleeker and rounder (maybe with an occasional gnurl or tickler, but nothing too daunting) over the last 40 years or so. Some of those fish look quite a bit like they'd feel nice coming out of your butt, until you see the huge jaw full of crazy teeth. Have you ever read Stephen King's Dreamcatcher?

This is the 'No-shitweasels' Theory of industrial design? I always figured the increasingly rounded look was a confluence of aerodynamics borrowed from automobile designs, a greater focus on ergonomics and advances in plastic mould technologies. But I suppose the pleasant bowel movement may be responsible for my universal remote.
 
 
Mazarine
04:42 / 29.01.05
Perhaps it's the instinct that if you saw such a thing in its natural environment, you'd probably be crushed to death by the weight of the water on top of you before you had time to freeze to death/run out of air/die of the bends trying desperately to claw your way back to the surface. Or maybe that's just me.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
09:46 / 29.01.05
Shitweasel:


The clever thing about Dreamcatcher was that there were no shitweasels--those people were hallucinating, and the monsters all combined our grodiest developmental fantasies. The design principle, I think, is more like the "everybody likes a finger up the butt" theory. It's just a theory, though.



Diseased Gland:


This might also be the "severed penis" category, I'm not certain. I'll have my polling firm look into it.




All Too Human:
 
 
astrojax69
05:34 / 30.01.05
sine, why do you think you instinctively add "and hatred" to your description of a dissected squid as 'icky'? curious, that such a strong negative emotive word is attached to your expectations - but i think it is this negative emotive response, surely nonconscious, that may be a point of difference in how different people 'see' their world. These nonconscious processes make us each unique. and good for that!

did anyone else monitor their particular emotional reactions to legba's picture? i thought it an object of interest, probably safe but don't touch yet... (i actually thought it looked cute! but then, i would dearly love a pet tapir...)
 
 
sine
06:08 / 30.01.05
sine, why do you think you instinctively add "and hatred" to your description of a dissected squid as 'icky'?

It wasn't instinctive, it was quite calculated. Or intentional, at any rate. To be honest, the 'substitution-of-negative-emotion-for-anatomy' trope is a common one in the humour of me and my mates. Especially as concerns the dwellers of the deep. Blame it on Lovecraft.

Myself, I rather like squid. In fact, I have no real problem with this beasty, or any other...'cept house centipedes. Those hairy f**kers have got to go.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:02 / 30.01.05
The "all too human" picture (well, specifically that caption) made me think of the Uncanny Valley stuff in this thread. The rest, I think, is an atavistic memory of our fear of the Great Old Ones. (And even I'm not sure if I'm joking when I say that).

We seem to be genetically programmed to respond more positively to mammals; especially the young (puppies, kittens, baby badgers, stuff like that)- presumably this is part of a protection instinct which has somehow transcended the barrier between species we would normally be in competition with.

(For some reason I'm now imagining a big war between mammals and reptiles, with a redneck tapir turning to a hamster and saying "look, I know we've had our differences in the past, but now it's us against them...")
 
 
lekvar
19:56 / 30.01.05
Humans are programmed to find and respond positively to the "happy face." The round-object-with-two-dots seems to be wired into us pretty hard, as Scott McCloud points out in Understanding Comics. We respond positively to baby animals because we're programmed to find big heads and big eyes cute. Things that don't conform to a very specific template are deemed to be "alien."

We as a species are prone to anthropomorphizing things: Cars (see Aardman's Chevron commercials or the upcoming Pixar movie), electrical outlets, animals, furniture, houses... the common theme is the placement of the two eyes and mouth. None of these critters fit the template, so they immediately fall out of the set of things it is easy to empathize with. The harder it is to anthropomorphize an object or critter the less likely we are to be comfortable with it.

Of course this depends on the person- my girlfriend and I, upon seeing the first pic in this thread immediately started making plans for where we were gonna put an aquarium.
 
 
lekvar
20:01 / 30.01.05
Off topic - has anyone here seen pics of Vampire Squids? No lie, they exist! They have pointy claws instead of suckers! So cool!
 
 
Jashugan
20:49 / 30.01.05
I would question whether it was a 'hard wired' negative response that we have to these things. It seems to me that children, if anything, have an inate fascination with weird and horrible things. The Science Museum in London even had an exhibition dedicated to 'disgusting' body features like flatulence and snot (it may have been somewhere else, I forget). They also seem to like insects more than adults.

Let's face it, some of the sea creatures are just hideous - particularly the angler fish, with the giant toothy mouth. If you had to list everything that could make an animal unattractive, it would tick practically all of them.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
22:15 / 30.01.05
Humans are programmed to find and respond positively to the "happy face."

Explain this, then:



I've heard a post-Freudian theory that "cute," is actually a response to a sublimated fear of disfigurement or insanity. Women, who are generally expected to be more worried about their looks (for a variety of reasons, let's not get political here), are more susceptible to "cute." Women's clothing tends to be more "deformed"--"cute" shoes are almost never the straightforward, functional things that "handsome" men's shoes are, for instance. Babies are "cute" in inverse relation to how adult they look. And the Japanese, arguably the most cute-obsessed culture in the world, who were once (recently!) a fiercely martial, un-cute people... well, you can see where that would come from.

Or some shit like that, I dunno.
 
 
lekvar
17:58 / 31.01.05
I would question whether it was a 'hard wired' negative response that we have to these things... Let's face it, some of the sea creatures are just hideous
Yes, but I'm sure their mothers still love them. Your response seems pretty knee-jerk to me.

Qalyn said: Explain this, then:
(pic of droopy-faced dog)
Are you telling me that people don't automatically assign specific emotions to that face? Or that face isn't immediately anthropomorphized? When I brought up the happy-face template I didn't mean it had to be smiling any more than I meant that it had to be yellow. I brought it up to illustrate a ratio of eyes-mouth-head that we recognize on a gut level.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:22 / 31.01.05
Oh, I see. No, I took "respond positively to smiley" to mean that we like things that look happy. Sorry. But why don't I like that "All Too Human" picture, then? My responses are mostly negative.

How about:



It's cute. It already is a person, so we can't be said to be anthropomorphizing it. But it's not a full person. This



on the other hand, is not cute, because it confronts us with what the first figure lets us control.
 
 
Liger Null
23:54 / 01.02.05
I think the shovel-nosed creature in the first picture is adorable, and the only creature on this tread that actually grossed me out was the pink fish in the third picture.

With its pink skin and dour "expression," critter number three fits the phrase "all too human" much moreso than the little shiny fish below it. The black thing with no eyes is creepy in a venus flytrap sort of way.

Does anyone know anything about marine biology? I would like to know what to call these animals.
 
 
Liger Null
12:51 / 02.02.05
In fact, I have no real problem with this beasty, or any other...'cept house centipedes. Those hairy f**kers have got to go.

House centipedes give me the flying heebie-jeebies as well. Though I hear they're rather efficient cockroach-predators...
 
 
sine
02:50 / 03.02.05
Another reason to get rid of 'em. I like roaches.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
14:55 / 03.02.05
I'm with snowtiger- the only one or the faux tsunami pictures that creeped me out was the calf-muscle-with-a-face thing in Qalyn's post. All the rest looked a bit weird, but evoked more scientific curiousity than disgust.

I don't know what I find so creepy about the 3rd fish, though. Perhaps it's that it still looks alive, or perhaps because it looks depressed and helpless (actually, it kind of reminds me of Whimpy from Popeye).

Anyway, my point is that all the rest look like they could be cool spaceships, while fish #3 looks like it wants to die.
 
 
Yagg
07:56 / 13.02.05
This is all just fear by way of genetic memory of the Spawn of Cthulhu who dwell in the deeps. Cthulhu lies dreaming and will arise once again... Get on the right team now, or be devoured! Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin!
 
 
Triplets
20:16 / 14.02.05
Number three looks my great-grand uncle: Obed Marsh. My auntie says I've begun to resemble him the waning days of my adolesence. However, if I've inherited anything from Uncle Marsh it would be this annoying flakish maladay the skin on my neck has begun to shew. Most unsettling.
 
  
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