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META TRUTH

 
 
Darkmatter
15:54 / 24.01.05
ok this is the truth, no bullshit i swear. A while ago i said half joking to one of friends that the books i had been reading lately seemed to link together in some was, nothing to strange there. Then read all the invisibles one after another for the first time and thought they were amazing, after that needed somthing to read and a friend recomended umberto ecos book foucaults pendulum the person who recomended was not into the occult or anything unusual. i read ecos book and felt sure that morrison must have read it there were to many links between the two. The next book i read was a collection of storys based around lovecrafts work. After reading the introduction i was shaking, it talked about how all texts are related by a meta text. This was all before i had read any robert anton wilson, the first time a read cosmic trigger was like a body blow that knocked the air out of me. Now every book i read seems to have the word meta in it. Anyone got any ideas about whats going on?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:02 / 24.01.05
Anyone got any ideas about whats going on?

Your grossly delayed puberty?
 
 
Darkmatter
16:08 / 24.01.05
What the fucks your problem. I thought this was supposed to be the subculture, trying to cut down on free speak sounds more like regular culture to me. I bet your a fuckin america maybe you should imprison me with out trial if you dont like my views.
 
 
Darkmatter
16:11 / 24.01.05
I AM A FUCKIN MIND TERRORIST QUICK LOCK ME UP BEFORE I HURT SOMEONE
 
 
EvskiG
17:17 / 24.01.05
I'll be a bit more diplomatic.

I think Mordant is saying that you're going through a phase that's common to occultists early in their careers. Yes, when you start exploring certain subjects you're likely to encounter what seem to be weird synchonicities.

Are you having a deep and meaningful experience? Maybe. Just go with the flow and don't let yourself get paranoid.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:49 / 24.01.05
More to the point...

Grant Morrison has read and been very impressed by Robert Anton Wilson and H.P. Lovecraft. It is unlikely that he has not also read Foucault's Pendulum. If you read basically identical books, you will continue to find insane synchronicities. I recommend Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code", followed by "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", and then a quick watch of "The Matrix".

Alternatively, give your mind a challenge. Read E.F. Benson's "Mapp and Lucia".
 
 
Chiropteran
17:54 / 24.01.05
*locks you up before you hurt someone*

Now, what's going on? I don't pretend to know, if you mean "WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON?????"

If you mean, "why do I keep running into the same ideas everywhere I turn, almost like these ideas are chasing me, or someone is trying to make sure that I don't miss the message this time...???," there are plenty of reasons for that. One of the most important (in terms of maintaining some kind of equilibrium and perspective) is also the simplest: many many people have read many of the same books, and go on to write books of their own based on that same set of influences. Especially in the case of the Invisibles and/or Illuminatus!, et al: Morrison and Wilson have made a point of - quite deliberately - wearing their influences (and assorted diverse interests/obsessions) on their sleeves. Both of these writers' bodies of work, in addition to any merit of their own, act as signposts to their source material.

Therefore, it should come as no surprise when you find the same or similar ideas outlined elsewhere. The commonalities you will find between writers are just a sign that the ideas themselves have enough appeal to keep people reading about them. And, it just so happens, the ideas explored in the Invisibles, etc. went through a terrific upsurge in popularity in recent years, so that you couldn't spit a shoggoth without sliming another book/website detailing the meta-psycho-magickal barbe-realitoid shamanic tunnel-matrix, and how to get the Merovingian machine elves to show it to you.

The initial brain-bust when you first start to immerse yourself in this genre (he said, carefully avoiding danger words like 'current') can really be a kind of initiatory experience (speaking loosely), in that it can help one begin to question the world around one in ways one never has before.

The trick to it, though, is that there is a lot of shit out there for every pearl of "wisdom," and even that "wisdom" is likely to be thoroughly marbled with even more shit, because the authors that are setting off fireworks in our brains are as human as we are, and thus intrinsically fallible. The most valuable thing to do at this point (read: indefinitely) is not to make up your mind.

I'll repeat that:

Do not make up your mind.

For the time being, we'll say. Some of the stuff you were typing in the other thread sounded like you were trying really hard to make it all fit. It doesn't. At least not in any way that spewing it all out on an internet message board is going to make any clearer.

I would just suggest (and this isn't just for you) that you try to relax a bit - and look to your bullshit-o-meter. If you're feeling overloaded (and it certainly looks that way, forgive the presumption), it's probably time to start filtering some things out. Not as a way of getting closer to the "TRUTH," but just to give yourself a little thinking space.

As far as this board is concerned, it isn't really a place to soapbox about your revelations - there are other spots on the web for that. The Temple is specifically set up for discussion, which cryptic pronouncements of the type you've been making do not lend themselves to. And, believe me, there have been plenty of cryptic pronouncements made in the Temple, which should explain the reception you've gotten. On the one hand, it is a little reactionary, and can easily be mistaken for personal hostility (which, generally speaking, it isn't) - but on the other hand it should make you pause to think: the regulars on Barbelith, which is "supposed" to be the counterculture, as you put it - people who cut their first teeth on R.A.W., McKenna, Leary, Lily, PKD, and, uh, Morrison, and who are fairly familiar with the type of headspace you're exploring - are telling you to chill the fuck out. Seriously. That bears thinking about.

It's not about "suppressing thoughtcrime." It's not about the 'lith "not being able to face the TRUTH." It's about, like I said above, equilibrium and perspective. Organize your thoughts. Use the bullshit-o-meter liberally. Work on expressing yourself in a way that is open to discussion - knowing that others will be bringing some different ideas and perspectives to the table. Don't just bomb the board with everything you're thinking all at once, in a declarative mode. And, while I'm sure that you were upset and frustrated by some of the responses you've gotten, posting the same SHOUTING post four times in four minutes isn't necessary to make your point.

Anyway, what was I talking about? Has this been coherant at all?

Eh, I've got to get back to work.

Good luck.

~Lepidopteran
 
 
Chiropteran
17:57 / 24.01.05
[well, two people replied while I was typing, so much of what I said is redundant. just call it a 'me too,' then. :S]
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:59 / 24.01.05
A quick shufti at the Barbelith FAQ, with particular reference to A Guide to Barbelith Posting Etiquette, might not go amiss either. Not that I'm holding my breath, mind.
 
 
EvskiG
18:14 / 24.01.05
Haus and Lepidopteran added a point so painfully obvious I should have mentioned it: OF COURSE Wilson read and was influenced by Lovecraft, Morrison read and was influenced by Wilson, everyone else now reads Morrison, etc.
 
 
ilredicoppe
18:31 / 24.01.05
I think the main point like you all basicaly pointed out before me is that this forum is open to even the wildest theories, provided that they are ideas and not dogmas. Dogmas suck. Also, etiquette and netiquette are key words here, and your equivalent of shouting out on soapbox isn't gonna bring anything more productive than witty remarks (I held my breath and counted to 10 too). Be considerate, treat people in the forum like you'd want to be treated.
 
 
Darkmatter
18:59 / 24.01.05
I think a QUOTE for the book of the SubGenius is called for at this moment in time.
"Fuck Em if they can't take a joke"
"Too Much is always better than not enough"
"Pull the wool over your own eyes"
"Youll pay to konw what you realy think"
"Give me Slack, or give me food (or kill me)"
"If i cant whup it, i'll go DOWN"
"Bleeding Head Good, Healed Head Bad"
"IF YOU ACT LIKE A DUMDSHIT, THEYLL TREAT YOU AS AN EQUAL"
 
 
odd jest on horn
21:07 / 24.01.05
I believe quimper666 is putting his own, RAW-clanish, slant on the words: "I am a Troll. I can't believe you're still feeding me".

I just read through three of his threads (this one and these two), and his input in all three seems to be a general mish-mash made with the cut up technique. The rest of his threads are respectively utterly inane and a fairly obvious troll (given his past trolls).

Isn't it high time to ban such an obvious troll? What is the non-racist troll policy of barbelith? I can't see anything on the wiki 'cept porn spam, unfortunately, so any mod input appreciated.
 
 
Bed Head
21:15 / 24.01.05
otm. Hopefully he’ll be running out of posts any minute. Isn’t he only allowed 25 a day, or something?

Then maybe he can get on with his homework, and Barbelith can start with the ignoring. Which is, I believe, the policy.
 
 
slinkyvagabond
21:36 / 24.01.05
Whoo-hoo, things in Temple started getting heated. Shit, it's been a while. Anyway, what Lepidopteran said there made excellent sense. In the realm of estoeric, 'counter-culture' and good ol' fashioned magick with a 'k' writings there's a wealth of bullshit to be had as well as a wealth of interesting, helpful, possibly mind-expanding and doubtlessly existentially comforting things. But one can only learn for oneself I suspect. Oh yeah, there's also a wealth of chancers having a laugh at your credulous expense. I believe 'Foucault's Pendulum' is Mr Eco's way of poking fun at the overly gullible whilst also having a sideswipe at conspiracy theories and generally showing off his vast knowledge. I wouldn't take it to heart.
 
 
Darkmatter
21:46 / 24.01.05
At last someone who has said somthing intresting, i completely agree, I think he was saying that i a society without god people will believe anything
 
 
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02:04 / 25.01.05
Well, I'm not surprised that the trolls at Barbelith are a little more sophisticated. Many of the ones I've encountered on other forums are usually all like "U GUYZ SUCK LOL" while posting links to goatsex.se or whatever it was...
 
  
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