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Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:57 / 13.01.05
If Ganesh ain't watching this, then I give up. It's on terrestrial dude! Come and join the party...

So what's the secret of the dead narratoress? Floaty box thingy...

This show is strangely compelling, I find; after just two episodes I'm hooked...Particularly the scary Stepford Mum with the obsessive compulsive cleanliness issues and her fed up hubby...It's sort of Sex in the Suburbs with a light sprinkle of David Lynch (maybe, time will tell).
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:44 / 13.01.05
I've got to confess that I find it distinctly annoying. The pacing of the voiceover, the fact that the omniscient presence tells you nothing that isn't obvious (and are they all blind that they think they're all happy or even, y'know, okay!?), the general inability of these people to address what's actually making them unhappy. I can take that kind of thing in real life but I like my TV to be a bit more fantastical... you know, like Big Brother. Plus their hair is so irritating. I suspect that I might like it more when I find out if that guy's a cop or robber.

My favourite characters: Teri Hatcher's daughter, the alsation.
 
 
Smoothly
11:19 / 13.01.05
I quite like this so far, although it's early days. I'm not yet convinced that it's going to be as dark as I hope, and I still worry that it's going to turn into Sex And The Shitty for the over-45s. More Tim Burton than David Lynch so far I think, but who knows.
At the moment much of my optimism is going to turn on the identity of the 'plumber' (Mike?). But I'm going to be pretty disappointed if he turns out to be anything so prosaic as cop or robber. Inter-dimensional spy-catcher or Lizard Terminator is more along the lines I'm hoping for. And if it's a body in that toy chest, I'm going to stop watching I think.

I find the voice over pretty annoying too - although I dislike narration generally in things like this. It totally ruins what could have been nice touches in certain scenes (eg. Bree, the Stepford wife, composing herself in the bathroom in ep 1).
Enough intrigue and laugh-out-loud moment so far to keep me interested though. And I think I'm going to enjoy Bree Van De Kamp.

Rex (choking): Did you put onions in my salad?!
Bree: No, of course not!
Rex (collapsing): *cough, splutter*!!
Bree (thinking back): Oh, wait...
All in the timing.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:38 / 13.01.05
Hot women, fun sense of trashy soap opera style to it, not too much more than that. A Melrose Place for our times.
 
 
ibis the being
14:36 / 13.01.05
Teri Hatcher's daughter is an Alsatian? I guess it's more David Lynch than I thought.

I watched a couple of episodes of this, to my own surprise - I've never gotten into "nighttime soaps" of any kind. I do get the appeal of the show... I think the production values (everything's so bright and shiny!) and a fair bit of good acting gloss over everything else that's lacking in the show. Like how the plotlines aren't really all that compelling, and how you suspect the secrets aren't going to be all that juicy, and how the Mary Alice voiceover is so mind-numbingly redundant and irritating you wish she would just BE DEAD already. But like I said, I really don't notice that while I'm watching the show. Only afterward, upon reflection.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:51 / 13.01.05
The Terri Hatcher character seems almost too normal to be involved in it - I like the put upon mum leaving her kids and then having to get them from the fat lady, but I was only half watching, and wasn't too sure about it. The smaller characters seem the best (OCD wife is great) but the others seem like they are playing it at a different tone (except sluttish woman who burnt her house down).
 
 
Triplets
18:41 / 13.01.05

I managed to catch the last 40 minutes on E4 last night. Guys, can you help me with the names of the characters?

Lois/Teri Hatcher
The blonde housewifey type one
The redhead with the disturbingly perfect face (unlike, say, Gingerbop, who just has a normal perfect face)/Bree?
The brunette married with nice legs who's married to the Spanish [probably going to turn out to be a] wife beater.
 
 
ibis the being
19:48 / 13.01.05
Teri Hatcher = Susan
blond housewife = Lynette
Latina = Gabrielle
perfect wife = Bree
blond villianess = Edie
dead narrator = Mary Alice

And if you're wondering why I know so much about a show I barely watch, it's because I read the recaps at one of my favorite websites, Television Without Pity.
 
 
Billuccho!
20:25 / 13.01.05
This show was quite clearly not meant to last more than 13 episodes, but it's gotten so popular they have to come up with new plots, which seems to be a bit difficult for them as the show goes on. We're, what? Halfway through the season in the States, and it's a bit dismal, but I can't stop watching. Curse them.
 
 
Triplets
22:03 / 13.01.05
TWP! I had that become my prime-time Bible when Keither Sutherland sexily swaggered [swexy!] onto 24. I shall booke-marke. I can easily see this becoming one a favourite shows though. Half my workteam is gabbing about this already.

How far are we into DH in the UK?
 
 
Benny the Ball
23:57 / 13.01.05
2nd or 3rd episode.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
08:52 / 15.01.05
2nd on Terrestrial and 3rd on E4.

I'm liking it... it's not ground breaking or wildly inventive but it is good enough to watch for an hour.

Bree and the mother with the horrible children are definitely my favourites so far. Teri Hatcher's character is a bit too... everyman for me and the beautiful rich bitch is really only there so we can see some hot naked male flesh (aka her gardener/lover).

I'm hoping that the box doesn't hold the remains of an aborted child (which seems far too obvious) and that Mike is a detective investigating said box (and not a robber).
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:15 / 15.01.05
With any luck it will be Marcellus Wallace's soul.
 
 
Aertho
20:29 / 15.01.05
Hey kids. I'm watching DH religiously. And I figured out the suicide motive LONG AGO. See, the thing is, we're getting Mary Alice's story in bits and pieces of her surviving friends' stories.

Here's my theory. Spoilers prolly.

Mary Alice was raising little Zach and had just given birth to Dana when doctors diagnosed Zach with a schizoid problem, similar to somethign his mother had. Zach's needs become a bit much to handle. Mary Alice begins to unravel as her life becomes frayed, trying to handle her own problem, balance and educate her son about his, and take care of a newborn baby. Paul Young tries to escape the situation by staying at work too much. The Youngs decide to hire a nanny to help with Dana. In order to pay for treatments and the nany costs, Paul embezzles a great deal from his job.

Eventually, Paul and the nanny begin a flirtation that evolves into an affair. Mary Alice breaks down and the marriage hits the curb. Zach has a final outburst, and Mary Alice accidentally kills Dana. Faced with losing everything, Paul covers up the death of Dana and enforces strict medication on both Mary Alice and Paul. The nanny, now fired, threatens to tell the authorities about the child's death, and the embezzlement. Paul kills her to shut her up, and puts her bits in Dana's toybox, which he buries under the new pool. Dana's things are burned or thrown away, and everyone is instructed to never mention the baby again.

Everyone on Wisteria Lane sees that the Youngs are down one child, but like "good" neighbors... they say nothing. In this way, no one is innocent of the crimes of the past. Martha Huber knows, and when faced with bankruptcy, she blackmails Mary Alice Young.
 
 
Aertho
02:14 / 17.01.05
Okay, strike all that... I think i'm a bit right, but I've been majorly wrong before.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:26 / 17.01.05
Yeeeees, but since us UK types are only on the 2nd episode, maybe a separate thread?
 
 
Cherielabombe
22:46 / 22.01.05
I've really been looking forward to this show, and now that we're a few episodes in, like Ibis, I can see the appeal but it definitely isn't as good as the hype. I get the feeling that for whatever reason everyone in the States thought this show was so "wild" and even though ABC knows it isn't they're just hoping the audience doesn't notice.

It WANTS to be subversive.. it WANTS to be sexy. And I guess it is (sexy), a bit. But it's no "Twin Peaks."

Now, don't get me wrong, I love a bit of trashy TV, and I loved "Knots Landing" back in the day, so I'm enjoying this. But that's what it is - trashy TV. All the characters, at the moment at least, seem pretty one-dimensional. Though I'm definitely liking Nicolette Sheridan's bad girl character. Much more interesting than Teri Hatcher.

And yes that voice over is SO annoying!
 
 
Aertho
00:36 / 23.01.05
"Wild" is being uttered by a VERY conservative and insular media machine. It's not "Wild" in the least. It's just good soapy TV, featuring wild BREE VAN DE KAMP.
 
 
ibis the being
03:27 / 23.01.05
I don't know if this past week was an anomaly, but if not I'm annoyed by the overly thematic nature of the episodes... this last one focused on Lying. I'm afraid the show is just starting to hammer us on the head with its themes - insulting the audience intelligence. Let us connect at least a few of the dots, PLEASE.
 
 
Cherielabombe
10:33 / 23.01.05
Yes, one thing that strikes me about DH is that it's quite an example of how much more conservative mainstream American TV is becoming. It's as wild as conservative, born-again Christians can handle. And to temper the "bad behavior" they have Mary Alice and her stupid moralizing voice-over.

But, all this said I'll be watching the next episode this week!
 
 
modern maenad
10:38 / 23.01.05
so - last night watched first 3 episodes back to back to see what all the fuss is about, and, well, hmmm. Definitely agree that's its essentially shiny, seductive trash, which can be just the ticket at the end of the day. I suppose my main gripe is the gender politics of this show, which I'm assuming is targetting a mainly female audience. I found the central characters incredibly Ally McBeal-drippy/ditzy. I realise this is not meant to be 'reality' but all the same, the first episode especially raised my hackles - Susan behaving like a giggling schoolgirl at the sight/mention of the new plumber on the block; Lynette in the 'useless mother' role, unable to control her kids, humiliates herself in public etc.; Gabrielle's less drippy, and at least seems to have some gumption when it comes to pursuing her desires, but there's no mistaking who's the boss in their relationship (e.g. acceding to her husbands insistence that if his business associate wants to grope her ass she's to let him). Have to admit that at least Brie was shown as strong and satisfied with her role and Edie definitely seems to know what she wants and how to get it (possibly relevent that the most self-assured woman is the bad women/threat??). And its pretty hard to judge Mary Alice as we know so little about her. What does everyone else think? I realise 'its only tv', but I get really fed up with the relentless assault of useless women being served up to us in the name of entertainment. Not that that's gonna stop me watching of course.....
 
 
sleazenation
10:56 / 23.01.05
As with Modern Maenad I found this incredibly written poorly with unreal, card board cut-out characters. This is even more exasperating because its central premise of the disatisfied lives of housewives is emensely rich and intriguing one. Unlike Modern Maenad I do not think I'll be watching it again.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:38 / 24.01.05
I don't think you could start a series off with four prefect developed and happy women, especially since the program is called Desperate Housewives.
I mean, there has to be a reason they're so desperate right?

The useless mother has to overcome her uselessness,
The lonely divorcee has to overcome her past and find love,
The "perfect" housewife has to open herself up to failure,
The bored rich wife has to discover she really does love her husband etc etc.

And of course they all have to find out their dead friend's deep dark sercret.

I'm really warming to Teri Hatcher's character (I still can't remember any of their names which I'm sure is a bad sign). I love her totally useless flirting/dating skills. I expect to be annoyed by them within another episode or two but so far I'm enjoying the unthinking way she shoots herself in the foot then has to get her beau's attention back again from ms tits-on-legs.

My major gripe is that it's too Sex and the City and not enough Twin Peaks. The four central characters are almost direct analogues (minus the Sex).
Where's the Log Lady analogue godammit!
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:15 / 24.01.05
I liked it -it is fundamentally a lower rent nip/tuck (which I also enjoyed a lot more than it probably deserved) but I was won over when Susan set fire to Edie's curtains. I'm not such a fan of Susan's teenage daughter, though (you see! she is fourteen years old! and yet she has more 'street smarts' than her mother!)

The best thing about it, though (and this is going to sound like such a backhanded compliment...) is the opening credits. Just brillant, I love the the way the images change, and it actually uses American Gothic -one of my favourite paintings -as well as making all scenes around a dinner table resemble it in tone.

Finally, my fear of becoming Carolyn Burnham has been quietly replaced by my fear of becoming Bree Van De Kamp.
 
 
The Strobe
11:04 / 24.01.05
nip/tuck definitely deserves all your adulation. Come on, it has Doctor Doom as a scumbag Florida plastic surgeon.
 
 
dancing with red shoes
11:05 / 24.01.05
I love it. I think it's the perfect followup to Sex and the City's copout ending- so the 4 "girls" get partnered up and live happily ever after huh? Not so fast... here's what happens when you buy that myth and go become an affluent housewife in the suburbs. You take a gun to your head... if you're lucky. Like Sex and the City I think it is using the gloss of TV glamour to pleasure us into watching truths about women's lives (albeit rich heterosexual (so far) women- but that's part of the pleasure of watching, seeing the rich get their comeuppance, but also seeing issues that we can relate to)... what happens when you give up a fulfilling career to raise children? when you get seduced into loving a guy who sees you as another commodity he has purchased? when you are woman no. 3,562,456 to be left by your husband for his secretary when in your late thirties? I agree that the potential character development is the promise of the show. The Bree character is the most desperately sad of all, and yet there is compassion in the writing for her AND her husband and children. I think the show is a sneaky antidote to the increasing amount of "family values" bullshit taking over both the US and the UK (and it has apparently received quite a bit of protest from the religious right as anti-family and immoral). I'm keen to see how it unfolds. I have high hopes. I'm sure I will be let down at various points as I was by Sex and the City, that's to be expected, but ranting about it will be half the fun.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:33 / 24.01.05
I basically think this show is rubbish because, well, I don't understand why these stupid women are still married to these men/listening to them. One of them has been forced in to the role of a housewife and can't control her children- so get a job and hire a nanny. One of them is married to a very rich man who she loves but doesn't like, she's having an affair to stop her from killing herself. What she's too stupid to realise she might be happier if she was a bit poorer and not married to a twat? Teri Hatcher hasn't got the guts to come on to a plumber- well, big fucking deal. And Mary Alice is dead- aren't dead people meant to shut up? I only like Bree, if she was the main and only character in this show I'd be a viewer- get those onions out! Yeah!

It's just that the characters are all locked in to false problems. The real problem is that they don't have the chutzpah to take responsibility for themselves. This gives me no sympathy for them, actually it makes me want to hit them with the gardener's spade.
 
 
Ganesh
20:35 / 24.01.05
If Ganesh ain't watching this, then I give up.

Give up. I caught most of one episode (either the first or the second) and could barely even be stirred to dislike it. Not impressed.

Why? Well, partly for the same reason I found Sex and the City frustrating: the gulf between the It's WACKY! It's WIIILD! hype and the ho-hum reality. Sex and the City, however, was a confection spun around a kernel of at least semi-originality (albeit denatured-to-fuck for a mainstream that wanted just the merest soupcon of point-and-titter sexual kerrrayyyziness. Desperate Housewives, however, cobbles together a host of second-rate memes diluted from elsewhere: imagery of toned, toothy femininity from Stepford Wives; dead character from Six Feet Under; dark, twisted underbelly from, ooh, everywhere. American Beauty, Virgin Suicides, Twin Peaks... the white picket fence has become a cliche, not of emerald suburban perfection, but emerald suburban perfection with a *yawn* dark, twisted underbelly.

And the characters themselves... well, I just can't be bothered with them. They're stupid, insightless, pointless... what are they doing there? Why should I care about them?

So, erm, no. Not watching.
 
 
ibis the being
21:40 / 24.01.05
I totally agree with Vaguely Margery's assessment of the female characters. I too think Bree is the most sympathetic character, unnecessarily vilified for being "too perfect" while I assume "we" are supposed to sympathize more with harried Lynette, who really just needs to quit feeling so sorry for herself.

However, as lame as the female characters are I think the men are done a disservice as well. It seems we're meant to blame Lynette's husband for making her stay home with the kids, when it's unclear he's really done such a thing, and when she resentfully refuffs his attempts to be intimate. We're supposed to think Gabrielle's husband is a materialistic ass who's just buying her love, when in fact she's the one obsessed with being pampered. The only man we're allowed to pity is poor Rex, who's actually a complete jackass, because he has the misfortune of being married to the supposedly insufferable Bree. Oh, and there's the plumber - ostensibly the good guy, but so brainless and beholden to his libido that he's tossed hither and thither by the scheming of Susan v. Edie. And of course, Paul is homicidal maniac.

I suppose it might be a interesting if the basic unlikeability of EVERY character were deliberate and served some higher conceptual purpose, but instead I feel we're supposed to be deriving some pithy moral lessons from these ladies... and fuck if I can figure out what they are.
 
 
Aertho
02:50 / 25.01.05
Perhaps it IS terrible television.

But I prefer to look at it this way: We're supposed to hate EVERY major character they throw up on us. And feel a teensy bit sorry for them, and then hate them some more. But that's just the tint of my glasses.

I won't spoil anymore, but the character I thought might be the only source of tolerable sanity is now suddenly lecherous. Nothing's "good" except the kids, and they're either violently insane, self-absorbed, or hot fo teacher.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:41 / 25.01.05
Give up.

Bah. You're no fun anymore. What happened to the good old days? Pillow fights, luncheon on the lawn and Lambrini? You ARE Bree Van den Kamp and I claim my five pounds.
 
 
Ganesh
09:38 / 26.01.05
*mutters*

Stupid critical faculties...
 
 
chairmanWOW
09:06 / 27.01.05
Ganesh, are you Vincent Gallo?
 
 
Ganesh
09:17 / 27.01.05
No, and I'm not Vincent either.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:40 / 28.02.05
I still hate this show (I watched it for 10 minutes on Wednesday)...

Dear Lynette: GET A NANNY, GET AN AU PAIR, GETANANNYGETANANNY.

Dear Mary Alice: STAY IN YOUR GRAVE, STAYINYOURGRAVE.
 
  

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