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January debate at Treadwell's London - Cultural Appropriation

 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:56 / 09.01.05
THE GREAT TREADWELL'S DEBATE:
IS 'CULTURAL APPROPRIATION' BAD OR GOOD, or INEVITABLE?

Tuesday, 18 January -- London.
7.30 pm - 9.30 pm, followed by reception

Don't miss this debate on whether pagans and magicians ought to appropriate other culture's traditions. Ought they avoid doing so? Can they avoid doing so? Do we rob people's cultures for magical and spiritual symbols we don't really understand. Pagans like to think they do better than new-agers, but do we really? And, can people ever really adopt a foreign system's magic, if they are not a part of its culture?

The debate is headed off by four practitioners who also have interests in anthropology, philosophy, and history. Phil Hine, Steve Grasso, Christina Oakley, and Garry Finch. They'll start off by launching points for and against, then open up for contributions from the floor.

Cost £3.00 at Treadwells. Wine and refreshments afterward, at a soiree/party on the shop floor.

The event will start at 730pm. Its usually a good idea to ring ahead and reserve a ticket, as seating space is often limited. For further details please visit the Treadwells website or call them on 0207 240 8906.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:36 / 09.01.05
sakti suffering and power.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:34 / 11.01.05
Wagh! If I can make this, I will - sounds fascinating. Haven't seen you for ages, either - sorry not to last until you got to the boozer on Friday but had to run for a train.
 
 
ghadis
23:08 / 13.01.05
Sounds good..I'll be there
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:50 / 18.01.05
Giving this a bump as it's tonight...
 
 
ghadis
08:23 / 18.01.05
Does anyone fancy a couple of pints beforehand (Lager for debating is best i've heard) I'm not working today so i'll be in the usual post Treadwells pub from 6ish. Just a couple mind, don't want to get too shouty.
 
 
Seth
16:36 / 18.01.05
Christ. Phil Hine and Steve Grasso on the same bill?

If I had the money I'd go and be starstruck.
 
 
Bear
07:09 / 19.01.05
Doomsday Device from the top rope right enough...

I'm guessing this will appear online at some point, how did it go?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:08 / 19.01.05
Doomsday Device from the top rope right enough...I'm guessing this will appear online at some point, how did it go?

It was a bit like the magical equivalent of tag team wrestling. Phil had a heel turn and started using his finishing move on all the other speakers, until the crowd started chanting for Christina and she jumped up and got him in a chokehold. Phil was looking like he was about to tap out for amount, then reversed the grapple and put her into a boston crab. Gary ran in and started kicking Phil in the ribs with his viscious left boot so he had to break the hold, but while all of this was going on, nobody saw me climb up to the top rope so I had the chance to level them all with a devastating five star frog splash.

This took a lot out of me though, and Christina, who was only winged by the move, slid out of the ring and came back in with a steel chair. She split Phil's head open and he started bleeding, then set him up so Gary could hit him with his finisher 'the wiccan's elbow', but I ran in quickly and got him with my hurricarana before he had a chance to lay the smackdown.

This was all Phil needed to take down Christina with the most brutal tombstone piledriver I've ever seen in my entire career. People in the audience were shouting for the referees to do something but for a moment nobody seemed to be there. Phil was out for blood though. I don't think anybody's ever seen him like that before. Raw animal aggression. He started stomping on Christina's skull and laughing like a mad man, until six refs came in and dragged him off her.

Meanwhile Gary was coming to his senses and rushed at me with a closeline, but I ducked and sent him flying with 'The Gypsy Switch', which nobody ever expects. I followed this up with a low blow, then got him trapped in the 'Jack o Lantern'. He tried to tap out, but the ref didnt see it, so I spun him round into the illegal choke hold that I call the 'Filthy, No-Good, Theiving Gypsy' and his eyes started to glaze over before he finally lost consciousness. By the time the refs finished dragging Phil off Christina's battered carcas, they found Gary lying in the middle of the ring like a flattened peice of meat. The bell rang, my entrance music came on, they passed me the belt and it was all over.

In the ad break, a recovering bloody Christina swore to get revenge on Phil, who was last seen overpowering the three policemen who had tried to arrest him and speeding off into the distance in Gary's stolen car.
 
 
Bear
10:15 / 19.01.05
I figured something like that would go down, I guess I'll have to wait for the DVD.

Actually maybe someone should record these, I'm sure people would want to download them (buy them?)
 
  
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