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Great article abput Hip Hop on its 30th anniversary

 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:29 / 06.01.05
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Apologies, got to get to work, but back later with some thoughts...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:51 / 06.01.05
Dear Barbelith posters,

Please read all of this thread on acclaimed music forum I Love Music before contributing to this one. Please pay close attention to statements such as: I can't think of any period in hip-hop history when this same argument wasn't being made... hip-hop ISN'T (or isn't ALWAYS or isn't ENOUGH of) a lot of things people seem to want it to be. I think most of us got that point by the end of the first OHMIGOD THIS MUSIC HAS BETRAYED THE VISION THAT PUBLIC ENEMY INSPIRED IN ME article... All songs should be about the minimum wage, because songs about the minimum wage are more important than songs about sex.

Thanks!

Yours,

A former Barbelith poster.

PS: Be careful though, there's a lot of asshattery on there too, like this: actually, hip hop in a way, HAS had it's punk (a reaction to a genre becoming bloated). it was the late 90s indie boom of rawkus, fondle em, hydra, etc etc etc. Ahahahahahahahaha lameor!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:53 / 06.01.05
Actual this is where the whole debate just gets deaded:

This thread fucking sucks.
Seriously how can anyone who regularly reads ILM still think that this is an example of good writing? Oldest fucking argument ever.
Its like the silent majority from the radiohead, er, 90s poll voting just reared its ugly head at the beginning of the thread.
The idea that hip-hop is losing cultural irrelevency is just ridiculous.
Further, the idea that Dizzee rascal is the lone savior of hip-hop ignores all the home-grown dizzee rascals that have been changing american hip-hop while all kids w/ converses (here in the states, that is) were busy talking about grime as the saviour of hip-hop.

I don't know how anyone can argue that crunk is a regressive movement, argue that sonically it's just a repetition of the past bcuz it wears its influences on its sleeve - it's like ppl read threads on crunk and take what information they want from them (it has something to do w/ miami bass!) and then try to force it into their "hip-hop is dead" worldview (it is just repeating miami bass!)

How fucking annoying.
Seriously, you want to see some amazing hip-hop? Check out the fucking ass-shattering production lil jon dropped this year, on the trillville/scrappy record, his own solo record, and various R&B records. Or check out all the shit that's bubbling in houston (swishahouse, slim thug, mike jones, paul wall, chamillionaire, z-ro, etc. etc. etc.), and go over to governmentnames.blogspot.com and check out dlk's list of the THIRTY best Bun-B verses of the year, or check out all the shit coming out of Atlanta, with T.I. being heralded as the new Jay-Z on the cover of vibe and guys like lil weavah about to break through, never mind the fact that new orleans two biggest labels, cash money and no limit are STILL pumping out quality material...and then of course there's rick rock and the bay area's sudden rise with foundation's "hyphy," bay area legend e-40 signing to lil jon's label, memphis still has a gang of artists coming out thru hypnotized minds (lil wyte's album is pretty great) etc. etc. etc. etc. Hip-hop is dead? Fuck you.

-- deej. (sel...), January 5th, 2005.


Game over, face facts fuckers, face facts!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
03:00 / 07.01.05
i just love how this kind of "artistic" debate ignores the whole point of Tate's piece, which mainly deals with the futility of creating an artistic/political revolution in capitalist system. That everybody's getting defensive about the "sonic innovations" of new music, when that's almost immaterial to his point. He's saying that politically rap has done what it can and now it's purely a commercial entertainment form. I think he has a point, and politically, grime seems like a total retread (if full of enjoyable music).

This was the post where I realized what the whole problem was. My experience was seeing the cover on the way to work and giving it a hearty eye roll. When I see a headline "Funeral For A Folk Art" about hip hop, I figured it was another "There's no good hip hop anymore, man" and dismissed it as such. I guess it turns out that it's more socio-political article, but that seems sort of pointless in my estimation.

I mean, it'd be nice if everything was socially relevant (wait, would it?) but if it's not does that mean it's the end of the artform?

Eye. Roll.

I love the intimation that the rap climate today is just guys shoving money up strippers asses. De La's The Grind Date seems to me to be the perfect refuation of that because it's all about hip hop as a commercial enterprise, and yet it is a legitimately kick ass and innovative record.

Maybe I'll send it to him.
 
 
_Boboss
08:07 / 07.01.05
A former Barbelith poster.

promise?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:55 / 07.01.05
look at all my cool interesting friends they are better than yours
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:47 / 07.01.05
A former Barbelith poster.



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