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Alex's Grandma
21:14 / 15.02.06
Whoever it is, it seems as if they could have real problems enforcing the ban in working men's clubs, which as I understand it anyway, are owned by the membership collectively - who do you throw the book at in a situation like that, the bar manager being, in effect, an employee? A fine of a few thousand quid isn't going to make much difference to organisations that often have a few thousand subscribers (all jointly legally liable,) if they're intent on ignoring the legislation.

Also, if we're talking about 'estate' pubs, isn't this bill going to worsen police/community relations that are often already, to say the least, a bit shaky? An inquiry into a serious crime isn't going to get too far if the investigating officers have to start fining people for smoking the minute they walk into the nearest local.

It seems like a very poorly thought-out piece of legislation again, this, in the traditional Nu Labour style - What would have been wrong with giving local authorities the option of allowing smoking in, say, ten or twenty per cent (for the sake of ASH, the fractions I suppose could be rounded down,) of the pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants within their remit, subject to an approved application for a license? This is already the way that it works with booze - would the creation of a kind of aggravated cig license really have been all that much trouble? Wouldn't that have been an acceptable compromise?

As with getting a late drink in a bar that wasn't a strip joint or a night club before the changes in the alcohol laws though, there will be pubs where the management, and the police, just turn a blind eye, and they will be very popular, and things will continue much as they were if you happen to know where they are, these places, and it seems a bit silly to pretend otherwise.

There was a way of protecting the public at large, both customers and employees, from the bad effects of teh fags, while not infringing civil liberties, or, perhaps more importantly, simply wasting police time, but this wasn't it.

Chuck in the ID cards and the 'glorification' of terr'ism business, and this has been a terrible week for Britain.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:36 / 15.02.06
I can't see the local bobby popping into the Dog and Duck to check if anybody's smoking. I don't think they'll be aiming to prosecute individual smokers (although they may go for some examples to get headlines and publicity in the initial phase) but will delegate this to the publican / bar manager.

Then the police can pop in once a night for a few minutes, couple of times a week, and there's evidence of smoking going on, they'll prosecute and fine the landlord or threaten hir with loss of the license.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:03 / 15.02.06
Does anyone remember those adverts, possibly for apples, mimicking Bugsy Malone, with speakeasies transforming at the push of a button into tea rooms?

That's the future.
 
 
haus of fraser
22:14 / 15.02.06
I don't think even bugsy malone style, apple eating speakeasy's will help ease nicotine addiction haus- no matter how much fun they look.

Nice thought though.
 
 
Loomis
09:21 / 16.02.06
Fags for the memory says a punster in the Guardian.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:56 / 16.02.06
I expect most coppers will think they have better things to do.

You mean like when they have better things to do than move homeless people out of tube station subways? Or buskers out of stations? Or sit in a car on a motorway and wait for someone to speed?

You're having a bad day, you don't want to deal with real criminals, you just want to slap a fine on someone. The easy way to do that is walk around some pubs.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:59 / 16.02.06
Well I guess the obvious question to ask is how do they go about enforcing it in other countries?
 
 
Spaniel
10:05 / 16.02.06
I'd imagine, quite a few pubs will have to do a lot of self regulating. I mean, pubs that allow smoking are bound to suffer quite a few complaints from non-smoking punters, complaints that could prompt the police to act.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:49 / 16.02.06
Does anyone remember those adverts, possibly for apples, mimicking Bugsy Malone, with speakeasies transforming at the push of a button into tea rooms?

"The cops were puttin' the heat on the filtered smokes racket. But when the Black Lung Gang got word they were payin' them a visit, Fags Mullaney decided to turn over a new leaf..."
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:37 / 16.02.06
Yes! Love you. Were they for appples? Did we really still think getting kids to eat battles was a winnable battle back then? Ah, the innocence. I remember there was a multiple-choice book handed out by ROSPA featuring the same characters..
 
  

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