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Peter Carroll teaches at Maybe Logic

04:21 / 05.01.05

Maybe Logic Academy (ala RAW) has an upcoming online course by Peter Carroll on Chaos Magick. 8 week course beginning April 11th (my b-day!). Liber Null and Liber Kaos are course reading.

From the site:
Peter Carroll, the foremost modern pioneer of Chaos Magick, is taking a sabbatical from a self-imposed exile in the ivory tower of esoteric research to engage once again with those who would practise the strange art and science of magic.

The course is an experimental approach to the basic techniques and philosophical underpinings of modern magick. Expect the unexpected. The adventure begins in known territory, but with the hope of reaching the unknown.

Course will include instructor-led forum discussions, additional readings, practical and magical exercises, weekly study questions and instructor-led group online-chat sessions.

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04:36 / 05.01.05

Sounds pretty cool, even though I won't be involved with it. I recently re-read both of his books and they're quite good... A lot of stuff that flew right over my head the first time I read his books during the start of my initiation years ago, flew right over my head at the time.

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04:38 / 05.01.05

You know, now that I think of it, of all the magicians whose books I've ever read I've never even seen a picture of the guy (and I've looked). For some reason I imagine him to look like William Gibson or something...

08:01 / 05.01.05

hmmm. has anyone seen the maybe logic journal that was weblished the other week? should be easy to find, but if you're going to look for it bear in mind there's a HUGE chance that by the third or fourth page you will have reached for a fork and stabbed your own eyes out. it's much, much worse than you could have imagined, a huge disappointment that made me very glad i didn't burn any cash on one of these courses, which just seem to have RAW's books and surface ideas as the set texts. there's an interview with him in there which is quite nice, and if you're constipated and need to shit yourself laughing then you can try to read some of the 'poetry' that has been submitted by the maybe students.

perhaps it's the bad poetry which has drawn carroll out, him being such a keen exponent of his own. i often imagine that carroll is the man responsible for the company that supplies the t-shirt adverts in foortean times, but i'm maybe sure that's just a fancy. however, sarks aside, if you were going to work your way through MMM or KKK anyway, then why not do it thru the college, with the man himself available for advice?

trouser the trouserian

10:28 / 05.01.05

Mabye Logic Journal

First issues of 'zines (particularly occult-oriented zines) do tend to be a bit dodgy - hopefully it'll improve.

I'm quite tempted to fork out for this course, if only to find out how Pete's ideas have developed in the last few years.

11:12 / 05.01.05

maybe this isn't the right place but it hardly seems worth a new thread, apologies if you feel i'm being a rotter -

there's an interview in this month's fortean times (available somewhere near the comics, sfx or new scientist in yr local whsmiths) with this bloke pete mastin, who's apparently the head of the IOT in the UK. he looks like a bit of a cyber goth, king mob plus some mileage, but his answers to the questions he receives are rather excellent, and he presents yr chao mages as thoroughly pleasant and reasonable folk.

however, he doesn't do much for the 'too many baldy mages' problem currently afflicting the occult scene. i've personally never met anyone who called themselves a chaos magician who wasn't doing the crowley crop, or the 'i'm balding but pretending that i've CHOSEN to be bald rather than have it forced on me 'do.' as far as magic tricks go, it's not one that fools many is it? why one of these fearless iconoclasts can't just face the fact that they've a spot at the back and a retreating crown at the front, and show them to the world, is a true mystery to me.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

06:26 / 06.01.05

this bloke pete mastin

He used to go out with one of my best mates a few years back, and he is indeed a throughly pleasant chap. I was quite gobsmacked when I saw him in FT, truth be told...

06:37 / 06.01.05

On the subject of KKK: I'd never read anything that had such a mediocre Kerrang review.

XXII:X:II = XXX

07:11 / 06.01.05

As I'm presently reading Liber Null & Psychonaut I'm mildly curious about this, but to be honest I find Carroll, well, a bit full of himself. Maybe it's just that this book is intended for those a bit further along in their studies than I am, but he's also utterly oblique on exactly HOW one is meant to achieve these miraculous types of workings and on what the ramifications and meanings of these rituals and whatnot are. I feel that's somewhat irresponsible, both as a teacher and as a practitioner; it's sort of like giving out blueprints to a nuclear weapon: most people probably won't be able to understand it, and most people who would understand it probably have enough sense to not build a nuke, but you just know there's going to be one smart yet crazy fucker out there who'll figure out just enough to be really dangerous.

I think if I was going to pony up for any of the Maybe Logic courses it'd have to be with R.A.W. Drink from that font of wisdom while it still is available to us.

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19:48 / 06.01.05

I'm enrolled in RAW's Crowley 101 course. Should be v. interesting... Depending on how that goes I may enroll for Carroll's. I agree he's a bit cryptic and deliberately melodramatic but he's one of the pioneers and you have to respect that. I'd like to interact with him and see what's moving through his head these days.

08:41 / 19.04.05

I dunno, I'm too iconoclastic these days for that. Why should I be lured in by all that 'font of wisdom' shit, and allow myself to buff up an old man's perverse need for disciples? Pffffffrrrrrt, nah.

If you're having problems with Null and Psychonaut, read Liber Kaos. It's a lot more lucid (except for the bits where Carroll decides to start prattin' about with heavy maths) and much more of a how-to manual. Has a good basic training course in the Kaos Keraunos Kybernetos section, too. LK was actually the first book of magic proper that I actually bought, and I read it years before I read the others. It was very helpful to my development as a magician at the time.

And yet I still come on and mock the poor bastard, just to try and come off as vaguely punky. Christ, I'm such a cunt.

01:22 / 06.04.06

Ive just enrolled on this course and would be interested to hear back from you peeps that took the first course Carroll offered.

The most interesting bit from the prospectus from his new course (at least from this bibliophiles pov) is:

I will put my cards on the table. I want the fun and the exchange of ideas.

Running the Maybelogic Eight Weeks of Chaos Magic courses gave me a big blast of both, and it has inspired me to write a further book on pure magic.

Rock on!

13:32 / 06.04.06

"The contemporary magician may nowadays often need to work at something for a living, that something may as well provide a challenge and a stimulus to magic itself."

So true. Do let us know how it goes, that looks like a fun course- and like Trouser I'm interested to see how his ideas have evolved.

Daemon est Deus Inversus

16:06 / 06.04.06

And this isn't pimping? All I did was post a link to a lot of free stuff to the Order I'm praemonstrator of; and Captain Carnival Kangaroo, or whatever his name is, shut down a thread. Says a lot about personal integrity. (Excuse me, I should have said "Mr." Carnival Kangaroo. He seems, I dare say with some reason, wish to remind us that he is entitled to the bare rudiments of civility).

Less searchable M0rd4nt

16:38 / 06.04.06

DEDI: For a start, LVX23 is not Peter Carroll (to the best of my knowledge). Ze isn't pimping a group, course or product in which ze is involved, rather making other board members aware of something that might interest them. You will note that a reasonable number of people have been interested enough to comment.

I would also point out that LVX23 has been a member in good standing of this community for about 3 1/2 years. Over that time ze has contributed a great deal to the Temple. You, frankly, haven't. Plugging goods and/or services on the board is always a bit of a grey area, and it helps if we've got to know you a bit before you set up your stall.

I would also remind you that the thread in which you chose to plug your group was not immediately locked and your post was not deleted or altered in any way--I just pointed you towards the wiki. The thread was only locked after your chum Pyewacket turned up and the rot set in. People posted to it asking that it be locked, so I put in a lock request which was then okayed by two other mods.

Please take any further criticisms of this moderation action, my moderating style and any related issues to the Policy forum and stop clogging up the Temple.

16:45 / 06.04.06

Shut up with your moaning. How on Earth is it pimping? Glandmaster wants to discuss with fellow students, and as far as I'm aware he isn't a represntative of Maybe Logic ergo not pimping. If someone from Maybe Logic showed up, and with minimal input to the board, began to advertise the courses, they'd get the same treatment as you. And it might not have crossed your mind, but there is a reason for it - ie an attempt to keep contributions high quality, relevant, interesting to read and avoiding the forum turning into a spamfest.

Glandmaster - I believe some of Pete Carroll's students were so enthused with the course that they've set up a forum somewhere, I can't remember what it's called though. That'd be a good place to put forward your questions.

trouser the trouserian

18:15 / 06.04.06

It's The Ideosphere and Pete occasionally posts there.

18:52 / 06.04.06

By chance (haha) I met a friend for lunch today and he told me he'd done RAW's NLP course from maybelogic. He rated it and said it was really good, the best thing being that Wilson was often on the forums so you could chat to him. Sounds like Carroll does the same there, cool!

18:54 / 06.04.06

I enjoyed the first Maybe Logic course by Carroll and plan on taking the "business" one as well that's coming up. The Ideosphere is pretty slow traffic but I enjoy interacting with several of the posters and many of the ideas from the course continued over to the forums. Worth checking out.

19:00 / 06.04.06

The Ideosphere looks like an interesting site... thanks trouserian.

Daemon est Deus Inversus

19:04 / 06.04.06

I will tell you that I don't know Pyewacket. Should I? He doesn't seem to require that we- perhaps unwillingly- accord him the rudiments of civility, "Mr." Carnival. Pyewacket, I command you to change your suit (or handle or whatever) to "Primer Piloto Avilitado de Oficial Pyewacket." That translates as "Warrant Officer Pyewacket," so that "Mr." Pyewacket will do nicely.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:21 / 06.04.06

Please take any further criticisms of this moderation action, my moderating style and any related issues to the Policy forum and stop clogging up the Temple.

02:04 / 07.04.06

A good friend of mine took this course last year.
I followed along with the reading and gleened ideas. Can't deny Peter Carroll and his books.

The forum seemed to start off with a fury then devolved into some petty and insane rants by a few posters/students who thought they had more to teach than learn; from what I gathered.

My friend does maintain contact with some of the students. and it was my introduction to 'applied' magic sigils et al.
On the pale it was a great intro and you will do actual workings.

I am interested in the NLP class.

01:37 / 08.04.06

For what its worth:
In talking to my friend Blindelf, he says few of the active posters from last years course are currently posting at the ideosphere.com