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Has anybody met Richard Bandler?

 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:31 / 02.01.05
has anybody on here met NLP co creator Richard Bandler?

I note that he is holding a seminar/tutorial with McKenna teaching Hypnosis/ Esoterica or some such 9I swear on all that is holy this is not an advert, I have no affiliation and could only hope to afford what I consider are exhorbitant prices they charge for these courses)

Didn't read up on it fully as it will be beyond my meagre finances but presumably they will be equating trance and meditation and using hypnosis as the gateway for more spiritual pursuits

If in the interim, I somehow come into a substantial windfall, then I might consider this as I have always wanted to meet Bandler and I would be interested to see if he lives up to the hype/myth

Seth might have met him as I know he is pretty up on all matters NLP but I would be interested in hearing of anybodies experience with this gentleman
 
 
rising and revolving
18:37 / 02.01.05
No, but I dreamed I did last night. He had greying, tufty hair and made me think twice about putting down the keys.

Seriously.
 
 
LVX23
06:17 / 03.01.05
Well, he's a self-deluded coke addict who got away with murder. I've lived in Santa Cruz, Ca for the last 15 years and Bandler has a big name here. In '86 he was brought up on murder charges here and managed to duck a conviction. Even up until a few years ago he was still participating in the yearly NLP conference at UCSC. Check out this Mother Jones story about the man.

I can't say much about his NLP work though. I could never get past his character and the general loathing I had for all of the out-of-town NLPers who would come into the bookstore I used to work at.
 
 
Seth
20:01 / 03.01.05
No, I’ve never met Richard Bandler. And having never met him I’ll refrain from commenting on him as a person. I’ve heard the stories and he doesn’t figure on my list of heroes.

As for what I pick up from his work… I have issues with his sloganeering approach, which I believe lacks wisdom and balance. I believe that there is such a thing as legitimate suffering which should be experienced on its own terms, a belief which seems at odds with his writing. Many practitioners seem to advocate NLP for every difficulty you might encounter, whereas I strongly resist using it anywhere near that much. There are some things that you learn only in times of extraordinary pain. That’s not the extent of the issues I have with some of his published material, but it’s certainly my most important objection.

I really like a lot of the technique he’s helped create, and I find some of his precepts to be compassionate and effective. NLP has moved on from his work, and it doesn’t have the monopoly on interesting developments in communication and psychology. I guess that’s another problem I have with a lot of people’s approach to NLP: once they’ve modelled something, they seek to tag it with the NLP brand, co-opting it into the existing mass of ideas and methods. This strikes me as appropriation and does a disservice to the intricacies of other methods and models.

I’m sure that Bandler is a fascinating speaker, particularly on the subject of hypnosis. He’s clever and skilled, you’ll probably get something out of it even if you don’t take to him as a person. Just be prepared to disagree with him on a few things.

John Grinder’s supposed to be a lovely bloke, and I can personally vouch that Robert Dilts is the shit. He’s kind, wise, a fascinating and engaging speaker, and very approachable. Suzi Smith is fab, she became like everyone’s granny on our Master Practitioner course. Tim Hallbom and Ian McDermott are both extremely precise and elegant in their skills, but I didn’t really get a sense of them as people.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
21:13 / 03.01.05
thanks Seth

I enjoy Dilts' work immenseley. He strikes me as compassionate and not as 'I can fix this even quicker with new improved NLP+' that some others seem to advocate

Never having met any of the BIG names, I cannot offer any opinion at all. Interesting to hear that you have heard good things about Grinder. Funny in all my years of reading NLP literature, nobody has ever really mentioned the man....they have mentioned he is incredibly clever and his history etc but never his personality and certainly never his warmth
Not that I have heard bad things either, it is just it never seems to come up at all, which is rather strange when I have read various accounts of Bandler, some good, some bad.

The few books of Grinders' I have looked at (Turtles' and another whose title eludes me at the moment) were definately more technical and more of a challenge than the Bandler (solo) titles I have and the works of the Andreas' which are often recounts of work they have observed Richard doing (Change Your Mind' coming to mind)

It was a lot more difficult from my scant reading. I know Richard has multiple layers of communication going on in his speeches and transcripts but I found my brief flick through the Grinder material more daunting and made me realise just how technical and perfectionist Mr Grinder seems to be (whcih is no bad thing)

Thanks for the info, very enlightening. You have only further wetted my appetite to meet Mr Dilts, who I would probably rather meet than Richard, if truth be told. I love his Belief Change book and I know you and I have discussed his re-imprinting technique on here before. I love his writing style, it is obvious he has put the hours in and yet I find his work very accessible and at least (if I understand it correctly) pretty easy for the layman to pick up the rudiments

I'd still love to attend some of the Bandler sessions if money would allow as I believe that he is somebody I will kick myself for not making the effort with to see before he retires, or whatever. Sadly finances just will not allow (the courses/seminars are pretty expensive or the ones I'm interested in anyway)

Thanks to you all for the input


Joe
 
  
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