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Call for help - transferring tape collection to MP3

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:01 / 30.12.04
I'm sure this thread has already existed once or more, but I wouldn't weven know where to search.

I've realised recently just how much space I could save by digitising my ludicrously large tape collection and burning i to CD-ROM, along with all the other advantages. Regrettably, I have no idea how to go about doing it. So, could one of you brave young things talk me through it? Presumably I need a cable to connect a tape recorder to my computer, and software to convert it, but what else? And how do I go about it?

Thanks, all.
 
 
Seth
11:39 / 30.12.04
My methods are really clunky for doing this. Essentially I take the tape recorder outputs into my little Mackie mixing desk, then the Mackie output goes into one of my many mini-disc players. Now my mate Martin takes over, he plays the mini-disc into his PC as a WAV file and then converts it into an MP3. I think (I might be wrong). There's probably much simpler ways of doing it, though.
 
 
Axolotl
12:00 / 30.12.04
Well I don't know how much help this is going to be, but I'll tell you how I'd do it. First connect your line-out of your recording source to the line-in on your PC, probably using a normal phono lead. Then I'd use the Creative MediaSource program which has a function to convert such input to MP3, though I'm sure one of the uber-techno-wizards can recommend a freeware program. That's basically it.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:52 / 30.12.04
I'm told Audacity has functions for this purpose though I've not used it, since I have no tapes whatsoever, nor in fact anything to play them with. But yeah, it's basically a matter of connecting a tape player to your phono in socket.
 
 
grant
23:48 / 30.12.04
Technically, what you need is an RCA to mini-phono stereo cable, in all likelihood.

Most tape decks (like most stereo components) have RCA jacks -- they're the ones that look like nipples. Most soundcards have a "line-in" jack that's a mini-phono. In the U.S., they're also called 1/8-inch jacks. The same size as a walkman headphone jack.

So, what you're doing is replacing your stereo tuner with the computer, as far as the hookup goes. the cable that goes out to your stereo, you replace with one that goes out to your computer. (You can also do the same thing by getting a cable to hook the headphone out to the computer in, if you need to, but that probably won't be necessary.)

That's the easy part. The tricky part is what happens to the sound signal once it's coming out from your tape deck into the computer. Every computer nowadays has some kind of native audio recorder, pretty much. On the mac I'm writing this on, there are several -- it came with GarageBand, which I'd probably use just out of familiarity's sake if I didn't have better audio software specifically designed for recording (and editing) audio files.

I think you're on Windows, so the audio recorder on your machine will depend on what version you're using and what soundcard you've got installed (SoundBlasters come with some pretty cool software, if memory serves). If you go to Help and look up ".wav files" or "audio recording" or something like that, you'll find the software.

Generally, the interface will look something like a tape recorder -- all you have to do is hit "record" and the program will record what comes through the soundcard. Hopefully, your software will also include some kind of level monitor so you know what volume that signal is coming in at -- if it's too high, it'll be all distorted and nasty. Usually monitors are color-coded bars, with green being "low", yellow being in the middle, fading up to red for "too hot." Just like on a tape deck, you want the level to be riding somewhere in the low-yellow area most of the time, with occasional bumps into the red for, like, the very loudest fraction-of-second hits during any given song.

Some software allows you to adjust levels right there, but even if yours doesn't, you can simply double-click on the little speaker icon that controls volume, which should display the "advanced options" screen. Somewhere in there, you'll see a "line in" volume slider that'll adjust the volume to the right level.

OK, so once you've done that, you've got an audio file that'll in all likelihood be a .wav file (on a mac, it'd be an .aiff unless you're being fancy). An average size for a 3-minute pop song is around 30 megs. This is why mp3s were such a big deal -- convert the .wav to an mp3 and it'll be around 3 megs. So, unless you're like made of hard drive space, you'll need to get some kind of "ripper."

The latest version of WinAmp, the popular, free mp3 player, will convert wavs to mp3s I think (although I'm really not sure) -- you just have to navigate to Options/Preferences/I-O, and change the output from "WavPlayer" or whatever it is to "DiskWrite" or similar. iTunes I know will do this automatically, practically -- just add the wav to your Library, go to Advanced, then Convert to mp3 (you may have to change the settings on the "convert to-" option, since it'll also convert to other formats). Or, you might just have to get another ripper. I like AudioCatalyst, since that's what I'm used to, but there are plenty of others out there -- probably some that are freeware or demoware.

So that's about it. Make sense?
 
 
HCE
23:53 / 30.12.04
I have been trying to archive my LPs for some time, without, as yet, any reasonable results.

I've taken a cable which looks like a regular stero cable on one end and like an RCA jack on the other end, and used it to connect everything. I then used the software that came with my computer, which, conveniently, had a button labeled RECORD LP TO WAV. My meter was solidly in the red and nothing I did brought it down into the yellow or green zones, where I'd like it to be, and the file sounded like crap. Then my roommate tried to 'help' and I have not made another attempt since I got my amplifier back from the repair shop.

Here's a link that seems useful:

http://www.delback.co.uk/lp-cdr.htm
 
 
grant
01:01 / 31.12.04
If adjusting the input volume doesn't bring the level down, look and see if there are two inputs on the soundcard. Don't use the one labeled "mic in" -- that one's expecting a much lower input level from the source. If you only have a "mic in" (or "microphone-level input"), then you're going to have to crank the volume as far down as possible as early in the chain as possible.

My suggestion: leave the tape deck hooked up to the stereo, get a phono-to-mini cable (or adapter), and use the stereo's headphone out as your source -- that way, you can put the stereo volume pretty far down before it ever enters the computer.

This is not the way to get high fidelity audio, but it's easy and it should work.
 
 
King of Town
05:25 / 05.01.05
MusicMatch Jukebox can be used to record directly from analogue to mp3. I do much prefer the software that came with SoundBlaster, but both are fairly easy to use and I've converted several tapes into mp3s successfully. Mp3s can then be burned onto cd easily enough. If you have more specific questions that haven't already been covered by grant's thoroughness, I'd be happy to walk you through whatever part you need.
 
 
Seth
07:00 / 05.01.05
Most tape decks (like most stereo components) have RCA jacks -- they're the ones that look like nipples.

I thought they were nipples. Otherwise Rumble, Ratbat and Ravage would be rather undernourished.

Come to think of it, I’ve spent hours trying to fit cassettes in there to no avail. Are there any other transforming tape decks that will actually play my A-ha albums? I’m thinking it might be time to upgrade to something a little more practical.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:27 / 05.01.05
OK - I am trying this now, using the "record from analogue" option in CDex, with a mini-phono (3.5mm in the UK, 1/8 inch in the US - I like that) jack running from tape player headphone socket to laptop's microphone socket. Let's see how that goes...
 
 
No star here laces
07:31 / 05.01.05
I regularly rip LPs to mp3. It's a fucking pain in the arse, no two ways about it.

Best software I've found is a thing called Audiograbber, which is freeware. Type "audiograbber" into google and you'll get it. You also need to download a LAME encoder and drop it into the Audiograbber folder. (you don't need to know what it is, just google it and download it)

Then, using either a phono-to-jack cable or a jack-to-jack cable, connect your tape machine to one of the audio inputs on your computer.

In Audiograbber, select "Line-in sampling". Then hit play on the tape. There is a level meter which you can adjust either by fiddling with the volume on the tape player, the mic level in the PC control panel, or in audiograbber itself. Do this until the volume level keeps going into about the 90% zone but no higher.

Then rewind to the start, press play on the tape, and record on audiograbber. Audiograbber will conveniently split the tracks whenever there is a gap, so if you're playing in an LP there is no need to watch it the whole time.

It will let you record either to WAV (high quality, huge files) or directly to mp3 (or both simultaneously).

It's dead fucking easy. It took me 3 weeks to figure out how to install my network card, but this i could do within half an hour. So I reckon it should be within your capabilities old son.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:38 / 05.01.05
Oddly enough, I do know what a LAME encoder is, because it's a question of IP rather than technology. Thanks- audiograbber was one I had heard of but couldn't remember...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:40 / 05.01.05
Ok - don't mock, but where does Audiograbber save the tracks to? And how do you switch it to MP3 recording?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:44 / 05.01.05
Oh, and can you split tracks once you've done them? I just got all of "90" by 808 state as a single file...
 
 
nedrichards is confused
09:58 / 05.01.05
Seconding the audacity rec earlier.
 
  
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