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Understanding Black Metal

 
  

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Cop Killer
16:11 / 03.01.05
Rizla, two words: drum machine. If Agoraphobic Nosebleed can use drum machines so can you.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
18:23 / 03.01.05
maybe some nice fellow would like to start up a sort of general "ranting about metal" thread where you can discuss Battleaxe and Powermad and Joe Satriani and whether or not Vh-1s 100 MOST METAL MOMENTS was or was not garbage... and leave this thread for the occasional tinkle of conversation that might have to do with, as stated in the thread title, understanding Black Metal.
 
 
Fugazi
23:15 / 03.01.05
Sorry mate... you're completely right :/


I'll be quiet as a mouse now.
A quiet kind of mouse.
 
 
rizla mission
15:39 / 04.01.05
the answer is obvious. take a trip out to the middle of the woods one day and lay down your drum track in a clearing in the middle of the night

Best not get too carried away with that stuff though...

Reasons to love Black Metal no.467:

Apparently the main guy from Norwegian band Windir recently died of hyperthermia when a nocturnal outing to the forest went a bit wrong..

You couldn't make it up.

I can't read page two of this thread btw, so if there's shocking and awe-inspiring content therein, I'm unable to respond to it.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
16:56 / 04.01.05
fitting, as its almost as if you yourself are lost in the dark woods of norway, shouting into the infinitely all alone.
 
 
Cop Killer
18:06 / 04.01.05
I like some black metal, Emperor, Mayhem, stuff like that, but even more I dig the pre-black metal stuff that gets called black metal, like Venom and Merciful Fate and I dig that stuff more because it's actually kind of fun, still has a spirit of r'n'r going through it a little bit, whereas black metal, generally, has kind of a "death of fun" feel to it, not unlike stereotypical goth kids, and is arguably the most pretentious music ever (which makes sense why pretentious arty NY types are really into it, as opposed to death metal, which is made by dudes in sweat pants and fucking rules).
Anyway, if you want heavy metal, then doom metal is the genre for you, fucking bonecrushing at times, slow slow stuff, for the most part, because heavy things move fucking slow (I stole that from someone on this board, it was said, like, two years ago or something. Candlemass rules!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:16 / 10.01.05
any beginner in this genre should pick up the book LORDS OF CHAOS which gives you the whole (amazingly interesting) history and points you to a ton of albums

Partially inspired by this thread, I picked up the new edition of this yesterday. Bear in mind it was about four years ago I read the old one, so it's hard to tell what's different so far, but it's still a fascinating book and probably the most informative thing you'll find on the subject.
 
 
HCE
20:13 / 18.01.05
An update:

I think I understand it a little better now (the resources mentioned have been very helpful) but don't like it yet. Getting there. It sounds like music, now.

To repeat for those who didn't read the earlier posts: I didn't know what the difference was between black and other kinds of metal when I made this thread, and used the phrase because that's what the section I was shopping in at the record store was labelled. It was Black Metal as opposed to Jazz or Movie Soundtracks, not Black Metal as opposed to Death Metal.
 
 
yichihyon
01:45 / 19.01.05
I don't know if the music is black metalish because they have catchy choruses but a band of intest is Seikima II, that roughly translates to Anti Christ. their album From Hell with love is pretty good japanese 80's metal. One song Adam's apple declares that god wants us to be stupid and without pleasure because he did not want to eat the forbidden fruit. The fruit of the devil Adam's Apple. Listen to the voice of the snakes How about some sweet and sour apples?
 
 
rakehell
23:08 / 24.01.05
I haven't read or posted to the Barb for, like, ever, and I'm so glad it hasn't changed one bit.

I, and I think everyone else gets it, black metal is pretentious - and in a bad way. But - ooh ah! - can anyone who said that it was, tell me something that's not pretentious? Aphex Twin? Flaming Lips? Madvillain? Radiohead? Anything at all?

Who gives a shit if it's pretentious if it is also glorious? Are we going to start talking about "keeping it real" next?

With all that. Black Metal, yes. Listen to ULVER. From their early black metal stuff, to ther current glitchy output, their 'journey' is facinatng and just rad. And in the middle of their albums you get a rocking double CD adaptation of William Blake's "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" which is just, well, rocking.

Pertentious? Fucking hell yes. Awesome? You better believe it.

\m/-_-\m/
 
 
Mystery Gypt
15:09 / 25.01.05
yeah, good point... for a message board initially obsessed with the hi-falutin' discussion of funny books, pretention should be the last thing on the radar to worry about.

that said, there is an interesting distinction to be made, as per cop killer above, between white-sneaker foot stomping, thrash-rocking tampa death metal and the chilly angsty wind of black metal. just as there's a key difference of approach between the blunt-smoking space beats of deltron 3030 and the dirty crack smoke pump of Brooklyn Zoo. the different between blues rock and techno is obvious and tells you nothing about culture. the difference between these small areas of a massive but specific genre is fascinating IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE MUSIC. that's the point of *subgenre.*

all hail fucking satan and what.
 
 
yichihyon
16:19 / 25.01.05
Another Japanese band is early Loudness with their Devil Soldier and Law of the Devil's Land being semi black metal releases. Not to mention that Akira Takasaki is one of my favorite metal guitarists of all time. He sounds like a mixure of Randy Rhoads and Eddie van Halen. Check out Exploder his answer to Eddie's Eruption! Devil Soldier is a heavy progressive speed metal song before Metallica ever came out with their album.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
13:30 / 26.01.05
n c. dwight -- so, what bands have you checked into, and have you had better or worse epxeriences with different sounds?
 
 
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03:54 / 31.01.05
this is something i just learned so i'd though i'd share. the term black metal was started by musicians who wanted to distance themselves from the death metal genre, which was putting out a bunch of stuff that sounded the same. the idea, from Varg Vikernes account, was to have each band have its own subgenre, so "black" metal was one of the terms used (possibly adopted from venom's album under the same name). the idea, though ridiculous, was that by adopting a different subgenre "whatever" metal, would be unique, or at least not copying the "other" metals. anyhow, i forget exactly who adopted which term, but black metal was the one that the media picked up on, for the sake of labeling a bands with this semi-new sound. basically some people are really picky about labels and some aren't.

the thing that attracts me to "black" metal is the, i guess, more experimental use of instruments within metal music. some stick to just blastbeats and/or keyboards or vocal style and that's enough to be "black". but i think stuff with electronica, violins, saxophones, choirs, or even full orchestras is really intersting and it gives a band an identity. and i love the mix of clean and harsh vocals, which you don't really count on in death metal. so then you start drawing the line of prog metal, or progressive black metal, or whatever.

the philosophy of black metal widely varies. you have your strict satanists or evil people, then the people who use the evil/satanist ideas as metaphor to challenge tradition, and then the ones that are labeled evil simply b/c of their music, irregardless of lyrics or image. for me, metal as a whole is a way of thinking. i got into it for the pure energy, it became an outlet for aggression and rebellion, and it evolved into more or less a lifestyle (in the sense of confidence of identifying with something that didn't care if i was an outsider, that accepted me and others as is). i have always been a very reserved person, but i have met lots of friends at shows. i feel like the kind of people you meet at shows generally go through the same shit you do and are attracted to the music for the same reasons, it's an automatic common bond. "brothers in metal" or something from one of those dumb songs. unfortunately the bad thing is that you are stereotyped for your looks, haircut, shirt, whatever. you're evil or you're an addict or a child molester or a poser or something. but at the same time it maybe keeps away the judgemental people.

anyway to reccommend a few interesting bands; Borknagar, Vintersorg, Arcturus (prog/blackish); Samael, The Kovenant, Pain (um, electronic influenced maybe?), Opeth, Amorphis, Agalloch (prog/death) Neurosis, Isis (slow hardcorish); Cynic, Meshuggah (weird time signatures); Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, Within Temptation (female vocals).
 
 
Multiple Man
06:49 / 31.01.05
On the little female vocals bit that - just posted I would like to say: Nightwish & Lacuna Coil - YES. Within Temptation - NO NO NO DEAR GOD NO
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:08 / 04.02.05
Just got Burzum's "Aske" from Amazon this morning- of course, I can only hear it through one ear, but it's pretty much what the witchdoctor ordered. Very lo-fi, and very silly indeed, but with THAT energy and feel to it. (Yes, I bought it second-hand- that Nazi fuck Vikernes isn't getting any of my money). I particularly like parts of "War" where it sounds like he hasn't quite been able to resist the lure of good old-fashioned hair metal, and the Satanic mist lifts a little to show you the guy behind the curtain...

Overall, though, it's a bloody good CD. I like it.
 
 
rizla mission
11:55 / 05.02.05
Hey kids, just popping in to say the new issue of The wire has a jolly nice guide to Subterranian Metal', and the new Terrorizer has a sort of beginners guide to Black Metal, both of which are good reading for anybody interested in investigating these particular dark avenues.

Also, I'd like to register my agreement with Copkillers post a littleway upthread - Doom is my new god. I'd advise everybody to check out Electric Wizard's "Dopethrone"... it's absolutely incredible.. it fucking rules so completely I can't even describe it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:04 / 05.02.05
I bought Terrorizer purely for that... and ended up being more interested in checking out Mastodon's "Leviathan" (Terrorizer's album of 2004). It rules, though is largely off-topic.
 
 
hashmal
05:42 / 06.02.05
wire has some mp3's available from bands mentioned in the subterranean metal article.
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
18:21 / 06.02.05
'Leviathan' is not a patch on 'Remission'
 
 
rizla mission
16:21 / 10.02.05
I beg to differ.

From my POV, 'Leviathan' is absolutely SENSATIONAL. It's like.. the best fucking metal album since 'Reign in Blood' or something.

'Remission' is great too though obviously. What a group.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:56 / 10.02.05
So their other stuff's worth checking out, then? Cos Leviathan... it's just ACE.
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
15:26 / 11.02.05
Steady on Rizla! Comparing it to Reign in Blood is W-HEY over the top. Don't get me wrong, Leviathan is decent enough, but it doesn't make me pull ridiculous faces in the way Remission does. Y'know, when you hear the most blindingly heavy or fast metal song ever, and the uncontrollable gurning begins!

*please god, let me not be the only gurner!
 
 
rizla mission
11:36 / 13.02.05
OK, yeah, Reign in Blood comparison is uncalled for. Nothing will be that good until Satan himself finally gets a band together.

But as far as my definition of everything that's great about metal goes, 'Leviathan' is definitely top of the contemporary heap.

Stoatie - Mastodon's 'Remission' is generally more sort of technical hardcore orientated, as opposed to 'Leviathan's more classic metal styled riff-fest, but it's still great.... it has a song called "Where Strides the Behemoth?" - need I say more?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:31 / 03.03.05
Much as I hate to advertise these fucks, HMV have a metal sale on at the moment... and there's some good shit in there. (And yes, Rizla, one of the CDs I bought cheap was Mastodon's "Remission"... and you're right. As Wesley Willis would have said, it rocks a snow leopard's ass).
They've got four or five Darkthrone albums for six quid a shot... (I'm listening to "Under A Funeral Moon" as I type this)... all the Mastodon albums for 8.99... Emperor... whole tons of stuff. (Replaced my stolen copy of Tool's "Undertow" as well while I was at it... and I'm... ahem.. tempted to go and complete my Nightwish collection... please don't hate me...)
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
05:54 / 04.03.05
Nightwish!?! I think you should purchase the new Cephalic Carnage CD to make up for it. Tut tut.
 
 
Multiple Man
12:50 / 05.03.05
The HMV metal sale is very very good. (although I didnt need to finish my Nightwish collection..got them all already, sorry?). Managed to get Hatebreeder and Hate Crew Deathroll by Children of Bodom for 8.99 each which is fantastic.
 
 
grant
14:46 / 06.06.05
The Black Metal dialogues

Excerpt:

...i was wondering if there were two bands called mysticum or something. the reason i ask is because my friend todd told me about a band called mysticum that were really heavy and extreme and that i should totally check them out. so i went out and bought your record and all i got was this total pussy metal instead. is there another band called mysticum that i should know about? i'm really into super heavy and extreme black metal, so if there is another mysticum that plays this kind of music i would really like to know. don't get me wrong, i'm sure tons of chicks dig what you guys are doing, but i'm into some serious shit, not this strummy bullshit you guys seem to be into.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:26 / 06.06.05
moreso. have you ever tried such a thing? you will never use track lighting again. also, we have had a recent lineup change in the band. our bass player, known to me as cuntlord, was spotted at a christmas party this weekend introducing himself to people as terry. what kind of bullshit is this? i shall not take over the world with my blackest of black metal with a guy who calls himself terry outside of band practice.

This truly is the Brass Eye of black metal. Where'd you find this, grant? Are there more?


On a similar comedy note (and self-pimping ahoy!) here's my own cautionary black metal tale. (May 25th, in case anyone IN THE FUTURE feels like checking it out).
 
 
rizla mission
09:29 / 08.06.05
Oh god, I'm sorry Stoatie!

For the record, I don't recommend listening to proper black metal under the influence of anything really, it being so inherently fucked to start with... although I guess that Mayhem album is one of the few that's actually good enough to not disintegrate into a big, hilarious "uurgh, turn it off!" kind of mess within the first 30 seconds of intoxicated exposure.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:13 / 08.06.05
That was certainly my reasoning. However...
 
  

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