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Omega Vector Results

18:09 / 30.07.01

6 months ago I posted a sigil as part of someone's experiment in Sigil Magick.

The deal was no one was to know what it was other than myself and Patricky. You were supposed to charge it and let go.

Six months later the result is in:

Nothing! The sigil was for a major "legitimate" news service to report that intellegent signals had been recieved from space. Now whether that meant said signals were actually recieved and what they mean, mean nothing-it was for the report only.

I've kept my ears open but have heard nothing, so I declare this a failure.

What does this tell me about chaos magic? I want to believe that it works, but the blind experiment shows nothing. However, just because 1 experiment fails does that mean that every experiment fails?

Discuss.

18:59 / 30.07.01

I wouldn't be so quick to claim this experiment to be a failure...

Check here...]http://www.disclosureproject.org]here...[/URL][/URL]
for starters...

I think a major factor we may not have considered is HOW major media determinesNEWS

[ 30-07-2001: Message edited by: PATricky ]

Mordant Carnival

20:00 / 30.07.01

Think before you sig. You are up against the whole body of causuality here. What if there are no aliens? What if they don't like us? There are so many reality threads that have to be tweaked in your direction. Just because your sigil didn't work doesn't mean spells don't work, full stop.

Full marks tho for having an experiment in mind.

20:13 / 30.07.01

Maybe none of the major news services were 'legitimate'?.Maybe they are all under control by aliens?
Sorry your sigil didn't work,I use Seti@home,why take two bottles into the shower?
Actually,it takes a couple of months for SETI to collate all the data being recieved NOW,so you might find that in 8 weeks you get your wish:a signal is recieved but its backdated to today.So currently in someones home PC the 'packet of data' from Arecibo Radio Observatory contains your signal,and Seti just don't know it yet!
Go CPU!

20:14 / 30.07.01

quote:Originally posted by PATricky:
I wouldn't be so quick to claim this experiment to be a failure...

Check here...]http://www.disclosureproject.org]here...[/URL][/URL]
for starters...

I think a major factor we may not have considered is HOW major media determinesNEWS

[ 30-07-2001: Message edited by: PATricky ]

OK, I do remember hearing about it. And I also remember the snide assides that the "press" gave it. When retired Millitary Officers come forward, then you know you have something big.

I have to remember that magic not only works on the world, but on how one perceives the world too. The trick is in learning to think around corners.

OK, I declare Omega Sigil a success! Yay!

09:04 / 31.07.01

Yay Burning man, what are you going to do next with you're new found magickal powers?

09:26 / 31.07.01

YAY!!!

So um... what ever happend to Alpha & Mu?

And what next???

What with the changes this board has faced how many of us are left that where even involved with this phase of experimentation???

maybe we should start this sort of thing again?

09:54 / 31.07.01

I'd be for that.

09:54 / 31.07.01

Well, it's not exactly intelligent signals from space, but it is something: "tests performed on soil samples reveal a cycle of chemical activity similar to the daily rhythms seen in living organisms on Earth."

09:54 / 31.07.01

An idea for a process for a new experiment.

Perhaps to control sigil perameters you need something akin to the project team described in Planetary #9. The team writes a fictional event, completely. Detailing out as much of the story as is needed to keep the intended new plotline intact, tell the whole story if its needed. Then sigilise.

09:54 / 31.07.01

In addition to what klint brought up, I saw an article in several online news sources the other day about a move to take a new approach with the whole SETI kinda thing. On top of looking for radio signals, there will also be a search for visible light signals and such. Sorry I don't have more details, I'll have to find it and post a link.

Anyway, there you have two "somethings." Two possibilities. Someday, if one or the other leads to something, you could be looking back and saying, "Holy shit, did my sigil do that?"

Magick doesn't usually just charge in through the front door, She lets Herself in while you're gone and waits quietly, then scares the shit out of you when you turn on the light...

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

09:54 / 31.07.01

Which one was for support for the Falun Gong? Sometime in May I saw a poster for a festival with live bands and whatnot with all profits going to support the Falun Gong Defense or something of that sort. The poster was in a Borders up here in Michigan, as was the festival, and I don't know how big it was as it was over when I moved up here.

09:54 / 31.07.01

I agree with mordant that that the sigil was aiming a bit too high, with too many unlikely probabilities to tinker with. . quote:
better the Fool you know An idea for a process for a new experiment. Perhaps to control sigil perameters you need something akin to the project team described in Planetary #9. The team writes a fictional event, completely. Detailing out as much of the story as is needed to keep the intended new plotline intact, tell the whole story if its needed. Then sigilise.

I had also been thinking along those lines in creating a story based around some desired intent, and then waiting to see if it is mirrored in the everyday Cartesian reality. Something like G.M.’s experiences with king mob, but based on an event rather than an alter ego.
We could choose an event with one starting paragraph, and then each person post a continuing part of the story, keeping it based on the central theme, but letting it also run in whatever direction it took, each post building on the other.

Then maybe a sigil at the end. Any ideas?

13:19 / 31.07.01

I too was in on the original three experiments, although that was several identities ago, and in truth, I can't even recall my name then. But I'm with PaTRICKY, it was a success. I saw the video of that Nat'l Press Conference meeting and it is pretty much what we sigilled for. The problem then is that we didn't wire mass acceptance of these facts into the sigil. Oh well.

I have heard nothing about the other two- one was about Falun Gong- what was the other?

Would anyone be interested in other expiraments? If so- suggestions?

13:23 / 31.07.01

Re: the Foolish Suggestion- seconded by Shunyata---

Two things, I) do we want to script a reality so tightly? I mean, if we establish a sequence of events so methodically, where is there room for the cosmos to meet us half way? And II) how do we break a complex structure downn into a concise, receptive-to-the-jack sigil?

18:12 / 31.07.01

Wasn't the other one associatd with Sports?

or was it for Grant Morrison to be offered an Animation deal???

18:33 / 31.07.01

Yeah one of the vectors we discussed was for Grant to be offered an Invisible's Animated deal. In fact I emailed him asking if he minded, but he didn't reply, so we didn't.

I had made 2 vectors, but I cant recall what the other one was for. I suppose that's why we need documentation.

I'd like to suggest that if we write a story, that we write one for another person/people so we step a layer of attachment back, plus we somehow mask the identity of that person as yet another layer.

As for the subject of shooting for too high a probability such as intellegence from space, I would think that the probabilities of success for sigilization would be extremely high for anything we choose to do.

I'll be on vacation for the next 10 days or so. So if I dont respond, you know there's a reason.

Burning Man

00:59 / 01.08.01

quote:Originally posted by Theo Kalypso:

Would anyone be interested in other expiraments? If so- suggestions?

Why not sigilize for peace in the middle east? Get someone pretty experienced to draw it up, so that peace doesn't come by way of nuclear war destroying the universe or something. I mean, this toy magic is all very fun, but I personally don't care much about aliens. I'm much more interested in a successful sigil than little green men.

17:26 / 01.08.01

quote:Originally posted by Johnny O'Clock:
Which one was for support for the Falun Gong? Sometime in May I saw a poster for a festival with live bands and whatnot with all profits going to support the Falun Gong Defense or something of that sort. The poster was in a Borders up here in Michigan, as was the festival, and I don't know how big it was as it was over when I moved up here.

That was Mu.

While Falun Gong has been appearing in the news from time to time, a major celebrity has not joined the ranks or announced support for the movement.

Failure.

So it goes.

17:35 / 01.08.01

The third “expirament,” Omegaa, was a sigil we were all to charge whose intention was unclear to us, if I recall.
Alpha was many private sigils, one public intention and Mu was many sigils publically edited into one public sigil for a public intention. I think.
Records gone in board resets.

Anyway, so it goes.

Privacy works best, it seems.

18:59 / 01.08.01

SMatthewStolte- re: 'peace in the Middle East.'

You inadvertantly put your finger on the problem. Yes, we could, and perhaps should sigil for peace in the Middle East. But it's a very complex topic, one that would have to deal with the US's pandering to Israel set up in the post-WWII 'security triangle.' As the US emerged from the war a superpower, Europe broken and cowed, it depended on fossil-fuel technology for its new supremacy. This meant dealing with the Middle East. But why deal when you can divide and conquer? So, the US engineered a series of treaties and money bribes, probably called 'loans,' to the non-Arabic Middle Eastern powers, Turkey, Israel, and then, Iran. They were to keep the oil supplies not secure, but volatile, and to keep the factionalization of the Arab world at a high level. When Gemal Abdul Nasser of Egypt nationalized various Egyptian commodities (oil, the Suez Canal, cotton...), US interests were jeopardized. Shortly thereafter, the Six-Days war.

The situation is fantastically complex. I can refer further if anyone is interested.