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Burton/Depp's CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY

 
  

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H3ct0r L1m4
15:20 / 10.12.04
teaser trailer.

hmmmm!
now that's a remake suited for the pair. we hope.
 
 
doglikesparky
16:41 / 10.12.04
When I first heard about this I thought - oooh, that sounds promising...

Trailer looks ok, hard to tell much from it really but it's very colourful and that's a superb pair of sunglasses.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Apparently, it's being funded by Brad Pitt/Jennifer Aniston's production company. Not that that's at all relevant.
 
 
■
17:58 / 10.12.04
Very nice, but I don't think we need it. The original was such a big part of my childhood, I can't imagine this being better. Even if it is. If you know what I mean.
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:25 / 10.12.04
Saw many of the sets when working at Pinewood earlier in the year. The town set is amazing. The TV set set looks very similar to the Gene Wilder film. The Umpa Loompa puppets are freaky as hell.
 
 
Bear
18:37 / 10.12.04
Puppets?

I'm looking forward to this, I like Depp and I love Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

This well probably turn into the new Stoner movie.
 
 
gridley
20:13 / 10.12.04
Watching this trailer, I got the feeling Tim Burton was trying to prove he was still relevant by making the film look like Austin Powers. Don't get me wrong, I love how mod it looks, but wouldn't the only point of having Tim Burton direct Willy Wonka in the 21st century be to make it darker and even more cynical than the original?
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:52 / 10.12.04
Yeah, puppets. And Mike Teevee all shrunk down was a puppet as well. Not sure if they were for guidiance or anything, but they were freeky little things with loads of detail.

There was also a room full of pipes and stars that I saw briefly - could be the boat ride section of the story.
 
 
Liger Null
22:00 / 10.12.04
"Let's boogie."

Let's boogie?

Let's boogie?!?!?

Those two words and Johnny's awful dutchboy bob are the two things that ruined what would have been a thoroughly enjoyable trailer.

>threadrot<

I'd rather they try re-making movies that sucked the first time around. I'd love to see an updated Johnny Mnemonic with Molly Millions in it instead of some spastic catolog model.

>/rot<
 
 
lekvar
22:47 / 10.12.04
I agree. The original Willy Wonka scarred me as a child. As much as I've loved some of Burton's projects, I don't think he has the juju to top that. No doubt he'll bring superior special effect to this project, but anybody can do that with today's technology. I think Burton may be trying to fix something that isn't broken.

That being said, if anybody has to do the blaspheming, I'm glad it's Burton/Depp.
 
 
couch
10:41 / 14.12.04
Confused by the references to remaking the Gene Wilder movie. isnt this more a case of making a film of a book (which just happens to have been filmed before)?

Sort of like the new Mary Poppins Musical where they've put back in the things that the Disney took out as too much for the little children.

I think that the older film lacks a lot of the darker feel of the book (as a child I loved the nastyness of Dahl's books). I've got a lot of hope for this new interpretation, if Burton can inject some of the nastyness of Sleepy Hollow.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
10:54 / 14.12.04
I agree... I found the original film a bit... childish.
Gene Wilder was great but the kids weren't really as despicable as the book portrayed them.

Roald Dahl had a way with making very nasty things happen in a way that kids could relate and enjoy without them seeming overly horror-iffic.

Hopefully Burton will do the same.
I'm loving Depp's inappropriate bob, that's the scariest bit so far. I don't really see the Austen Powers reference but I guess he does look a bit beatnik sixties with a dash of technicolor thrown in for good measure.
 
 
Liger Null
14:10 / 14.12.04
isnt this more a case of making a film of a book (which just happens to have been filmed before)?

I'm probably wrong, but I got the impression that it was, in fact, the film that was being remade, not the book. It all really depends on what the oompa loompas look like (I don't recall seeing them in the trailer). It the book, they were these cute, well-read little neanderthals that lived in treehouses. In the movie, they were creepy orange midgets in jumpsuits.

In some ways, the first movie was nastier than the book. In the book the reader is reassured that the "bad" children and their parents are alive and well, if somewhat deformed. You don't get that reassurance in the movie. And the fizzy drink episode was an invention of the film makers.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:59 / 14.12.04
You don't get that reassurance in the movie.

I'm pretty sure that you do, either after whatever's happened to them has happened or at the end of the film.
 
 
Liger Null
03:15 / 15.12.04
But in the movie, the elevator doesn't fly around the building to show the families. There's no visual proof. Wonka says things like, "That chute goes to the incinerator, but I don't think it's on today."
 
 
Sekhmet
16:52 / 16.12.04
I'm fairly certain that this is not a remake of the movie, but a new script based on the book. The first movie actually departed from the book in a lot of ways; I'm really looking forward to seeing a new interpretation. I wonder if they'll have all the songs and poetry from the book?

That song on the trailer is dangerously head-sticky, I've been humming it for a week now...
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
20:01 / 16.12.04
Can this possibly be good? I'd say that you can't have a Chocolate Factory movie without Gene Wilder, but I'm a big Gene Wilder fan...

I honestly just don't see the point. Like Woodtiger, I wish that they'd remake movies that sucked instead.

Maybe I'd be more enthusiastic if this was a sequel instead of a remake. Glass Elevator, anybody?
 
 
ghadis
20:26 / 16.12.04
The original film is one of my favourite films ever. Gene Wilder is just SO great in it. I loved it as a kid and luckily had a son myself so i've been spending the first 13 years of his life playing it to him repeatedly in a kinda creepy brainwashing way. It's the film that i've seen more than any others and i still have loads of time for it.And that pretty much goes for the books as well although it's the film i really fell in love with.

All together now...

'We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of the dreams'

I really should get that tattooed somewhere.

Saying all that, i liked the trailer and think that it could be a pretty good film. If anyone is going to step into Gene Wilders shoes it's Jonny Depp. I liked the chewing gum couplet at the end of the trailer although there does seem to be a slight danger of him just doing a twirly eyed turn which would be a shame. Keeping the dark side of the story in is pretty much essential and hopefully Burton will be right for that.

I did write a long rambling piece about the hidden occult references in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory a while back. Charlie/Horus and Wonka/Osiris, Umpa Lumpa intiatory trials, shooting up the middle pillar in a glass elevator etc.
 
 
Liger Null
22:27 / 16.12.04
Can this possibly be good?

I can almost guarantee that it will kick the shit out of the next Star Wars installment.
 
 
lekvar
03:52 / 17.12.04
While that is most certaily true, it's kind of sad that that has become our measure of quality.

"Hey, did you see Redundant Hollywood Garbage IV?"
"Yeah. It sucked less than the Star Wars Prequels."
 
 
adamswish
11:23 / 17.12.04
The Umpa Loompa puppets

and here was me looking forward to Wee Man from Jackass reprising his role as the skater Umpa Loompa
 
 
Pingle!Pop
11:36 / 17.12.04
... I remember hearing a year or so back that, er, Marilyn Manson was slated for the role of Willy Wonka in the remake, and it seemed oddly perfectly judged. Was this just a complete myth?

But, yes, failing Mr. Manson, Johnny Depp is good.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:57 / 18.12.04
That was utterly fucking terrifying. Depp is the creepiest Wonka I've ever seen, rocking that Fire Walk With Me grin in every shot. And that insane "Willy Wonka" jingle. I'd love to want to see it but, honestly, I'm a little scared.
 
 
Liger Null
02:37 / 19.12.04
I remember hearing a year or so back that, er, Marilyn Manson was slated for the role of Willy Wonka in the remake, and it seemed oddly perfectly judged.

Whoa, that would have been something else entirely. I would have given my left pinkie finger to see that happen. I don't doubt that Manson tried out for the role, his Wonka fetish is well documented.

Manson and Depp, wonking in a river of chocolate. Now my depraved mind has something to fixate on when charging sigils
 
 
I, Libertine
18:22 / 23.12.04
I'm fairly certain that this is not a remake of the movie, but a new script based on the book. The first movie actually departed from the book in a lot of ways

Agreed.

Besides, the old movie was entitled Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory, while the book was called Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. Like the new film, 'natch.

It could be fun. It could be gristle.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:34 / 23.12.04
I think the screenwriter said he had never seen the original movie when he wrote his script, and was shocked to see that the original movie was darker than what he had come up with. So, it's an adaptation of the book, rather than a remake of the movie.
 
 
Brigade du jour
21:57 / 23.12.04
Trailer reminds me of A Clockwork Orange trailer at first. All swift cuts and apparent non sequiturs (okay, that describes most trailers) with a lovely counterpoint of happy joy music and oddly unsettling imagery (which is enhanced tenfold by experience of the darker aspects of the book.

Ah whatever. This is going to be ace.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
11:58 / 03.03.05
*bump*
Official site here; seems indeed to be based solely on the book. Due out in July.
For some reason, I think Depp looks a little tame in the trailer. And also a lot like Freddie Mercury.
 
 
Grey Area
07:07 / 04.03.05
There is indeed something dark about Depp's portrayal...even from the disjointed editing of the trailer I got the feeling that this is a Willy Wonka who's got a blade hidden in his cane...and possibly am ampule of amphetamines.
 
 
PatrickMM
23:29 / 16.07.05
Anyone else seen it? I really liked it, but the lack of narrative substance prevents me from putting it on par with Burton's best work. It's much like candy in that respect, it's shiny and tasty, but not really filling. I'd always defended Burton's stuff against the criticism that it's all style and he can't tell a story, but that's a fairly accurate criticism of this film. The story parts seemed tacked on and irrelevant to what the movie was really about.

That said, the visuals in this movie were fantastic and I was constantly engrossed and frequently amazed by what was going on. Add to this Elfman's best score in ten years and the crazy songs and you've got enough to make a film successful. So, the film is all about the triumph of spectacle over narrative, but sometimes you need just a little bit of narrative to make things worth while.

I can't really remember the original or the book, so I can't compare, but as a standalone entity, it worked pretty well.
 
 
*
04:22 / 17.07.05
Saw it. Here's what I think is up: SPOILERS POSSIBLE (But come on you've read the damned book. Or at least you've seen the Gene Wilder version. Right? If not, out of the thread till you've done your homework!)

The book doesn't actually have any conflict to speak of, as a friend of mine pointed out as we were leaving. The bad kids— all lose, and are predestined to. The good kid— gets everything he could possibly want at the end, and is predestined to. Even the Oompa Loompas presumably dwell happily forever under the benevolent protection of their paternally-loving overlord. The backstory in Burton's movie does hang a conflict in there. But it's an entirely internal conflict, centered in a character who is not the protagonist. This is unusual, especially in a movie which is still, abominable squirrels notwithstanding, a children's movie. So I think the narrative feels disjointed because Burton added something the book was missing, but didn't bother to stir very thoroughly.

I think Depp was modeling some of his portrayal from Jacko, which was creepily appropriate. Depp's Wonka did manage to unnerve me, and I'm not sure if it was the vague (and sometimes not so vague) perviness, or the way he could be childlike one minute and methodically eliminating children the next, or else he was so obviously emotionally crippled that he seemed unpredictable because of it— I think the flashbacks added to this.

Aside from the backstory and its resolution, this was, essentially, the book. It was more faithful to Dahl's storyline, I think, than the Wilder version (although I have yet to go back and rewatch that one).

Elfman's score was still the same one he uses for everything, whetted slightly to develop an edge. Well, as long as he's been rubbing it against Burton's movies, it would have to develop an edge eventually. Anyway, it wasn't distracting.

The bad kids were wonderfully hateful. It was very necessary to make Violet's "sin" something a bit worse than chewing gum, and that was done well. They accomplished passable acting for much of the movie. A nice performance by Christopher Lee as Wonka's dad.

All in all I enjoyed it, laughed all the way through it with the slightly uncomfortable laughter Roald Dahl stories usually inspire in me— only more so because this was blown up really big. I think in the Wilder version it was mostly cheery with creepiness coming in bursts; in this one my discomfort with Wonka was pretty much continuous. I'm not sure what that says about it.

So, question for other people who have seen it. What was that about not wanting to talk about the cotton candy sheep?
 
 
grant
17:55 / 17.07.05
Yeah, that was totally Neverland Ranch (even had the two stars from Finding Neverland, if you want further subtext).

The sheep were one of many signs that Wonka was wrong.

I wish the lyrics to the Oompa Loompa songs were a little clearer -- but the melodies were catchy as hell. And the boat was lovely, if not as head-fucky as the original film. I love the design on those little barbarians.

I'm still not sure what to make of the family/resolution theme. The Christopher Lee subplot. I vaguely remember there's a feeling at the end of the book that Wonka's not sure he'll find an heir, and being immensely relieved that he found Charlie, so maybe that business was meant to underline that.
 
 
gridley
19:41 / 17.07.05
Meh... it was ok.

I'd heard too much hype about how Burton's version was going to so much darker than the original, but that was certainly not the case. Even with constant musical numbers the original version was so much more sinister and cynical.

That said though, the acting was quite nice. Unfortunately though while the kid playing Charlie is an amazing actor, his serious moving portrayal seemed a bit out of place amidst the comic performances of everyone else in the factory. It felt almost he was CGI'd in from a different sort of film.

The Oompa Loompa songs were fun, but like Grant, I strained to make out exactly what they were saying at times.

I was definitely a bit put off by the Wonka backstory. I'm usually a sucker for father-son conflicts, but this one seemed flat and overly prolonged. Futhermore, I don't think a character like Wonka benefits any from being humanized. He's best as as some sort of shadowy, vaguely demonic figure, who's motives can only be guessed at.
 
 
Ganesh
19:50 / 17.07.05
Telly review this evening reckons it's marred by a tacked-on "importance of family" bollocky ending. Is this true?
 
 
PatrickMM
20:34 / 17.07.05
The ending does feel a bit out of place and cheesy, but I don't think it mars what came before. The whole middle of the film is completely based on visual spectacle, so going back to traditional narrative for the finale feels a little odd, and the problems are resolved a bit easily. But, the real appeal of the film is in the visuals and the music, so that the fact that the story is resolved badly doesn't hurt this movie as much as it would some others.
 
 
gridley
21:41 / 17.07.05
I would agree with that, Ganesh.
 
  

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