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Who Wants To Be A Superhero?

 
  

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Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
19:47 / 06.12.04
MTV is starting up a reality show where people design their own characters and then act as those characters on tv for the full series.

The contestants battle against celebrity guest villians.

The winner will have a comic of his character done by a "legendary comic creator" and published...somehow. The creator is rumored to be Stan Lee.

Oh, god, I can't go on.

Any barbelith people in the LA area, the application is here. This mightbe a good venue to spread your propaganda.

All the rest of you, I'm sorry.
 
 
sleazenation
19:51 / 06.12.04
They screened a show with the same format earlier this year in the UK. Staz Johnson helped the contestants design their own costumes. It was pretty crap.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:01 / 06.12.04
No, really?
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
06:39 / 09.12.04
I thought this was Stan Lee's aborted baby. You mean to say someone scooped this from off the floor of the labs and said, yes, this blue one here, let's see what sort of monstrosity it will blossom into if brought to term?

Hold up, I just detected the logical error in doing this as a "reality" show (beyond the obvious, of course): Most superheros have secret identities. If you show off what a jackass you are to the world, it's not exactly secret anymore, is it?

Of course, I'm just jealous. I had the costume all ready and everything. Pity I'll never score some of that sweet sidekick action.

/+,
 
 
sleazenation
07:03 / 09.12.04
It ended up like being a cross between scrapheap challenge and gladiators. Dull, sunday afternoon TV fodder.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:51 / 09.12.04
did you actually see this air? on mtv?
 
 
Warewullf
11:35 / 10.12.04
I saw one these. BBC2 wasn't it? Was "Zero to Hero" or something? Fuck me, it was awful. Truly shit. One guy's "powers" were stretching so they made this big extending arm thing he wore on this back which would be fine in itself in, as Sleaze said, a "Scrapheap Challenge" kinda way but the costumes.

Oh, sweet baby Jesus in the manger, the costumes.

Spening more than two minutes talking about the costumes was always going to be a big mistake but going into details about why a particular costume was chosen, the fabrics used and showing the making of the costume was never going to work.

Abysmal. Sleaze's description is dead-on, though.
 
 
electric monk
14:53 / 28.07.06
IT LIVES AGAIN!

"Who Wants to be a Superhero?" premiered last night on the Sci Fi channel here in the states. And yes, it was shit. But it was FUNNY shit. A few of the player and ol' Stan himself seemed to take it very seriously, which just boosted my enjoyment tenfold. The absolute highlight had to be Major Victory during the Costume Change Race. The instructions for the task were simple: Find an out-of-the-way place to secretly change into costume and then run across a park to the finish line. But oh those clever writers! They planted a crying little girl who'd lost her mother right near the finish line. What would our heroes do? Sadly, most ran right past the crying waif and pumped their arms in victory on finishing the race. Some stopped to help the girl (thus passing the test). A few seemed not to realize that this was a set-up and just did the right thing. Not Major Victory tho. He stayed in superhero character, champ that he is. "I'LL SAVE YOU!" Carried the kid to the park's Security Office like he was rescuing her from a burning building. He deserves the comic book. Hell, he IS a comic book.

Definitely making a point to catch the next episode.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:40 / 28.07.06
Stan was great. The camera loves him, and he's able to play to his own image to the extent that the contestants are shaking in their shoes at the very sight of him, while we at home see the wink and the nod.

The twist in the challenge was perfect, I thought—very true to the way that comics work. There's always that moment when the hero has two objectives, and s/he can't do both: there's that moment in the first Spder-Man movie where he's got to choose btween saving Mary jane and saving the tram-car full of passengers—what are you gonna do?

What they've done, in sense, is give these people what every superhero needs—a backstory. An origin. A past haunted by wrong choices and missed opportunities.

Major Victory was FUCKING HYSTERICAL. Every step was a pose: head snaps, jazz hands, the whole bit. I loved that he spotted the security office, and was escorting the girl there—she's walking beside him—and suddenly it occurs to him: "Get up here in my arms, jump on up."

Poor Monkey Woman. You could tell she was just tearing herself up for failing the test. I thought Stan was gonna make her cry.

And the Iron Fucking Enforcer... grrr. I despise that guy already. Design-wise and attitude-wise, he just represents everything bad about the last twenty years of superhero comics.

I've just found my Thursday appointment viewing.
 
 
electric monk
16:10 / 28.07.06
Two predicitions for this show.

#1 is that Major Victory wins the whole damn thing. He's got an iron grip on the standard tropes of the superhero medium and has zero shame about playing it all to the hilt.

#2 is that Iron Enforcer will get the boot late in the series and vow ON THE SPOT to destroy the eventual winner (and possibly all the other would-be heroes), thus becoming a super-villain. That's even money, right there.
 
 
Billuccho!
16:31 / 28.07.06
I get a pain in the pit of my stomach watching this, but I couldn't turn away.

I'm rooting for Fat Momma.
 
 
buttergun
17:26 / 28.07.06
I'm with all of you. Painfully absorbing viewing. Sometimes it had its tongue in cheek, which worked perfect, other times it tried to be too serious -- ie Stan chastizing the "heroes" for throwing a party...a party which obviously they were pushed into having by the producers. Plus Stan just can't act. He's very unbelieveable as a stern, Donald Trump "You're Fired!" type.

I agree on the Victory bet. That's also a great idea about Iron Enforcer going bad...I'm sure the show's at least 80% fake, so the writers/producers likely have something like this in mind.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:06 / 04.08.06
SPOILERS!

















Well, duh. Did anyone not see that heel turn coming from ten minutes into the episode?

After this ep, I am more convinced than ever that Monkey Woman is taking the big prize. Not giving up while being being mauled by dogs for ten full minutes? That's genuinely heroic. And if you can get through that, how can you fail to handle any of the other bullshit tasks of a reality show? Major Victory's got style, but Monkey Woman's got grit.
 
 
buttergun
15:46 / 04.08.06
Too lazy to look upthread, but whoever predicted that Iron Enforcer would go supervillain deserves a cookie. Yes, that "twist" could be seen from the start of the ep, but I thought it was great.

Despite the many problems, the show is still better than any of those '70s superhero TV shows (ie Spiderman, The Hulk, Wonder Woman,...and Captain America).

Now I wonder if Enforcer was marked for this from the beginning. Stan's offer, the impromptu villain makeover, etc, seemed even more "written" than anything else in the episode. So I wonder if Enforcer was never really part of the competition to begin with?

And I also wonder if this explains his last-second surrender during the backyard mission...only a few inches from the door, and he cried "uncle." He never really explained WHY he gave up. I wonder if this was laying the groundwork for Enforcer's achilles heel, which the heroes will be able to capitalize on in future episodes?

Lemuria's new costume is good (I'd say Feedback got the best new costume), but I preferred her old one. It was just pure seventies Marvel gold. She WAS a seventies Marvel character; I could see her showing up to battle Spider-Woman or something. Plus she always looked as if she was about to pop out of that old costume at any given moment. BTW, did anyone catch her falling off that trash can in the first episode? During the costume-changing challenge, she attempted to jump up on a trash can, "super hero style," but ended up falling on her face. I'm surprised the producers relegated this to a small box on the screen; you'd think they would've shown it constantly in promos for the show -- part of the marketing gimmick of reality TV is ridiculing the people in it.

Tyveculus (or whatever his name is) has obviously read his Silver Age Marvel. His (false) praise of his new costume could have been penned by Stan Lee himself. (And who knows, maybe it was.) Plus, in the promo for next week, when the now-Dark Enforcer shows up to threaten them, did anyone catch Tyveculus' line "What treachery is this?" The Silver Age Thor couldn't have said it better.

Final thing -- I take it when the failed heroes stand on the red boxes, they can't argue back with Stan (probably because it's not a live two-way?). When Stan told Feedback that heroes don't make fun of each other, I wanted Feedback to scream: "The Human Torch and the Thing made fun of each other ALL THE TIME! In issues YOU wrote!!"
 
 
Jack Fear
17:32 / 04.08.06
I wonder if Enforcer was marked for this from the beginning. Stan's offer, the impromptu villain makeover, etc, seemed even more "written" than anything else in the episode. So I wonder if Enforcer was never really part of the competition to begin with?

Oh, he was always a ringer. In the first ep, I had my doubts, but last night pretty much dispensed with any pretense—they ramped up his awfulness to an absurd degree (admitting steroid use? Come the fuck on), and he obviously threw the competition.

I only wish they'd had the stones to go all out comic-booky with him, instead of playing at being naturalistic, you know? When IE accepted Stan's offer to become a supervillain, I didn't want a shrug and a nonchalant "Sure"—I wanted mad cackling and "Yes! YES!! YESSSSS!!!"
 
 
Jack Fear
17:43 / 04.08.06
Also: Feedback's charge was obviously trumped-up, just to make three for possible elimination. (Tyveculus was obviously never in any real danger of being booted, either, although he fucked up big time in the makeover.)

On the other hand, it appeared that he did actually hurt Tyveculus's feelings, so there's that. Good-natured ribbing is only good-natured if both parties agree it is so; Johnny and Ben both knew that each would lay his life down for the other, while Tyveculus and Feedback don't have that level of trust, and never will, because they're actually in competition, after all.

But yeah, the drama was entirely artificial. I think the incredibly transparent fakery of the show is part of the charm.

I'm unsure, though, of the extent to which the contestants are in on the joke. I mean, if Tyveculus has his tongue in his cheek, then his shouting "What villainy is this?" is a hoot; but if he's really as earnest and as eager to please Stan as he seemed last night, it's just kind of pathetic.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:13 / 04.08.06
I HAVE to see this.
 
 
buttergun
19:39 / 04.08.06
>> I think the incredibly transparent fakery of the show is part of the charm.<<

You're 100% correct. I've gone from "This is kinda dumb" in the premiere to nigh-on loving the show. Without a doubt my favorite reality series ever. It's just so...bizarre. You can't help but like it.

Enforcer could've responded to Stan's proposition a bit more evilly, true, but the way he jumped out of the van in his new costume was pretty darn cool, and one of the most "comic-booky" moments in the show yet. His pose was just perfect. All it needed was a graphic to appear beneath him, announcing in pure Stan Lee hyperbolic style: "Next Episode -- Enter the Dark Enforcer!!"

As for the winner, my money's still on Major Victory. Even his outlook is in-keeping with the current, Grant Morrison-esque style of super-heroic positivism. Was it just me, or was he saying "I love you, dogs," as he ran along with the dogs dangling from his arms?

Monkey Girl really pissed me off by not stopping for that little girl in the first episode...her running by the kid seemed more blatant than the others who failed to. I know future competitions will determine who wins and who loses, but that challenge I think was key...the true heroes were the ones who stopped to help the kid, period.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:00 / 04.08.06
Ah, but Monkey Woman's reaction was most interesting. As Stan noted at the time, she glanced over, hesitated for an instant...and then made the wrong decision. And during the elimination afterwards, her remorse was heartrending. I thought she was gonna cry. Hell, I though *I* was gonna cry.

The true lesson here is in how you bounce back from that. If you handle it right—in life as in fiction—it's not a failure, it's character development. And I'll wager that initial setback had something to do with her refusal to cry uncle while being MAULED BY DOGS FOR TEN FULL MINUTES. There's your redemption arc right there.

That said: I think it'll come down to her and the Major—his PoMo vs. her Silver Age goodness.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:05 / 04.08.06
UK viewers, rejoice! First two episodes are available in their entirety here. It's a streaming Flash thing and the quality's pretty craptacular, but it's better than nothing...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
00:09 / 05.08.06
Oh my life! I couldn't find a whole episode to stream, but the promo was like The Apprentice meets Seven Soldiers... absolutely glorious to see the investment, the commitment... the BELIEF those people had. It was actually like watching a world where superheroes exist. What a wonderful show.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:02 / 07.08.06
DUDE!

SPOILERS:
















DARK AVENGER!
Iron Avenger's transformation after elimination into the villian of the series kicks ass. I would like to thank whoever it was on Barbelith who suggested earlier that this would happen for making my friends think I am psychic.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:05 / 07.08.06
Oh dang, I skipped to the bottom of the thread not realizing the transformation had been covered and have now filled the thread with extra spoiler space for no reason.

My bad.
 
 
electric monk
18:05 / 07.08.06
whoever predicted that Iron Enforcer would go supervillain deserves a cookie.

I would like to thank whoever it was on Barbelith who suggested earlier that this would happen for making my friends think I am psychic.

Not "whoever". MONK. MONK said it. Say my name. SAY IT!



Sorry. I'm just pissed that I missed this damn episode. Stupid family wedding and partying til 4am. Is SciFi rerunning these?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:21 / 07.08.06
Yup. They're doing a marathon this coming Thursday, with the first three episodes back-to-back-to-back.

In fact, it looks like that's how they'll be doing the rest of the run; next week they're showing eps 2, 3 and 4, the week after that it's 3, 4, and 5, and so on.

Devoting three hours of prime time to this for four weeks. Not much going on this month at the Sci-Fi Channel, I'm guessing.

Works for me. Load up on snacks, strip down to your underwear, and park yourself in front of the tube.
 
 
electric monk
18:27 / 07.08.06
That gives me such a happy.


The marathon, I mean. Not you in your skivvies, Jack.
 
 
buttergun
20:13 / 07.08.06
So I was thinking about the hostile sentiments I directed at Monkey Woman in my post the other day, and realized maybe I am being too harsh on her for not stopping to help that kid. Specifically I was thinking of Spider-Man's origin -- you know, his failing to stop a criminal resulted in his uncle's death, which prompted Spidey into his lifelong fight against crime, etc, etc. So in summary it was a screw-up which made Peter Parker a better person. In short, a hero. So why not Monkey Woman?

(Of course...Spidey failed to stop a criminal who'd just ripped off a promoter who himself was ripping off Spidey, so it wasn't the exact same situation, but whatever.)

I'm thinking it's going to come down to Major Victory against Feedback, who will use his Stan Lee/father complex to his utmost advantage (cue the many-times-repeated scene of a crying Feedback telling Stan the Man he reminds him of his dad).

BTW, I've read that the show is in fact "heavily scripted." Still entertaining, though. And surprise, surprise; most of the heroes are actors in real life.

As an example, here's LEMURIA.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
18:39 / 08.08.06
I can't find it on this thread but this was the funniest thing I heard about this show:

"It's exactly like watching Stan Lee's writing come to life.

That's not a compliment."
 
 
grant
21:17 / 09.08.06
Jack, why did you post that link to internet video where I could get to it at work?

Why did you do that? WHY, GOD, WHYYYY????

The first episode seems to be gone, but the auditions are still up.

What's the deal with Lumueria/Lemuria? And is there some nutshell of all their supposed powers for those of us who aren't cable endowed and not able to catch back-episodes on the net? (Back-episodes? What did I just do?)
 
 
Jack Fear
21:58 / 09.08.06
...And Lo, There Shall Come A Website!
 
 
grant
19:57 / 10.08.06
By the verdant fields of Zenn-La, this is a glorious site indeed!
 
 
Jack Fear
01:06 / 11.08.06
SPOILERS!














Monkey Woman, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Gutted.
 
 
electric monk
11:47 / 11.08.06
Gotta respect a hero who cartwheels offscreen and into the sunset. That was hilarious. She wasn't much of much anyway. Nice to look at, sure, but there was really nothing outstanding about her persona.

Is Feedback losing it a little more with each episode? Seems to me that every time they cut to him, the scary-eye expression's ticked up another notch. My personal kudos to Fat Momma for saying what she said. The man needs help. Or at least some time out of costume.

I'm losing faith in my "Major Victory takes it all" predicition. Fat Momma looks more and more like a contender. And Feedback, worried as we all are about him, could still pull off a win.

A little something I noticed during last night's back-episode* of the premiere. When Major Victory tells the lost little girl to jump in his arms, the little girl gets this look of "You've got to be fucking kidding me." Hadn't caught that the first time around. Laughing? I nearly died.
 
 
electric monk
11:52 / 11.08.06
*I happen to dig the terminology, and hope it sticks.
 
 
buttergun
12:30 / 11.08.06
I actually did catch that little girl's "WTF?" look before she jumped into Victory's arms. But like a true young actress she not only did it, but milked the scene for all it was worth: "Do you think I'll see my mom again?"

Last night's episode didn't do much for me. It seemed even more contrived than normal. The unveiling of Dark Enforcer was underwhelming, and they even cut the "treachery" off of Tyveculus' line, so all he said was "What is this?" instead of "What is this treachery?" as shown so many times in the promos.

Then there was the argument after Enforcer's unveiling. Could someone please tell me what the fuck that argument was about? I felt like I was watching a Turkish movie without subtitles. Nothing made sense. It seemed like a pointless argument that just kept going in circles and had no relation to anything. Something about Fat Mama saying she'd invite fellow contestants over for burgers and Lemuria promising she was going to win?

Anyway, the MOST contrived moment last night was Monkey Woman's termination. Though it was pretty hardcore of Stan: "Fat Mama, move the garbage can beside Monkey Woman." Anyway, she was fired for being an actress...but they are ALL actors!!! Seriously, go to imdb.com, type in "Who Wants to be a Superhero," and you will be able to click on the names of each of the people in the show...and you'll see that all of them have been in some minor TV/movie role or other.

So Monkey Woman's firing was fake as hell. And stupid to boot.

Best line of the night, after Major Victory escorted the woman between buildings and then took off his blindfold: "You really ARE hot!"

Second best line, when Fat Mama got across the planks to the woman: "Take this donut. It'll give us the energy to get back to the other side."
 
  

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