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CBS, NBC, UPN ban gay-tolerant church ad.

 
 
grant
19:38 / 02.12.04
I first read about the United Church of Christ ad over here, at Talking Points Memo.

The gist of it: the UCC wanted to air an ad for the denomination that highlighted its tolerance. They believe that Jesus welcomed everybody. The ad shows bouncers outside a church turning various people away. Among the people turned away are two men holding hands, and among the crowd "welcomed" into what one presumes is a UCC congregation are two women, arm in arm. That's it.

The ad is viewable over here.

Obviously, this broaches a touchy subject, but it's really pretty mild. I mean, compared to Will & Grace or Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, this might as well be 30 seconds of Laverne & Shirley. But the three networks(two of which are owned by Viacom) deemed it "too controversial."

You can read the church's reaction to the banning over here, on their website.

The story has since been picked up by The Boston Globe and The Chicago Tribune. But the ads aren't running yet.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:15 / 02.12.04
It's pathetic that the networks won't run this intelligent and kind-spirited ad. Presenting Jesus as a figure of love, acceptance and tolerance? God forbid!! Just so emblematic of the screwed up religious views of most of the US...
 
 
FinderWolf
20:18 / 02.12.04
In other depressing anti-gay news... a minister gets in trouble with her ministry for simply being gay and being in a gay relationship. Yuck.

from Yahoo News

PUGHTOWN, Pa. - A jury made up of United Methodist Church clergy convicted a lesbian minister Thursday of violating church law by openly living with her partner in a committed relationship.

The Rev. Irene Elizabeth Stroud could be defrocked as a result of the ruling, which came on the second day of her church trial. The same 13-member jury was set to meet Thursday afternoon to decide her penalty.

Methodist law bars "self-avowed, practicing homosexuals" from ministry. Nine votes were necessary for a conviction and the jury voted 12-1 to find Stroud guilty.

The last time the 8.3 million-member denomination convicted an openly gay cleric was in 1987, when a New Hampshire church court defrocked the Rev. Rose Mary Denman.

Last March, a Methodist court in Washington state acquitted the Rev. Karen Dammann, who lives with a same-sex partner, citing an ambiguity in church law that the Methodist supreme court has since eliminated.

Before the jury returned, Stroud, 34, told reporters that whatever the verdict, "this case has shown how divided we are" over the role of gays in the church. She had expected to be convicted.
 
 
Aertho
23:23 / 02.12.04
It's absolutely imperative to the neocon "rulers" that the values of the American populace is kept at a violent absolutism. If we don't have "enemies" —if we keep accepting people through dialogue, empathy, and understanding, we will become "soft". The United States of America is an enormous market for the people who benefit economically from aggression. Hence gun control, creationism education, and the lack of the metric system.

That's funny. Metric system. heh

Honestly though, think about it. Anna de Logardiere mentioned that the government does little to nothing to protect its citizens. It doesn't, because too many people benefit from a fight. What would happen if we stopped fighting? And I mean the real fighting they have in literature. Man versus Man, Man versus State, Man versus World, Man versus God. If those vanish, people go broke. And America doesn't know who it is when it doesn't know its "enemy".

No hugs for the gays anytime soon. Also: Has Phelps picketed the offices of Bravo yet?

I think I'm ranting. Forgive me Barbie.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:56 / 03.12.04
Totally unrelated, did you just call Barbelith "Barbie"?

That's awesome.
 
 
Cherielabombe
08:41 / 04.12.04
Wow. Does this mean NBC is gonna ban "Will and Grace" too? Somehow I think not.

The other night I had the chance to go see my girl Margaret Cho here in London and one running theme throughout her show was the increasing tide of homophobia in the U.S. at the moment. As an American (from an urban area in a "blue state") who's lived in the UK for 2 and a half years I was particularly struck by how much it seemed (from her show) that homophobia has markedly increased under Bush. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but a little research makes it seem that that certainly is the case.

I have to say that I am so fucking pissed off at these so-called " loving Christians" and their hatred and intolerance... are gay people not allowed to go to church? Whatever happened to "hate this sin" (if your religion considers homosexuality a sin) and "love the sinner"? And the pick and choose thing REAAAAAALLLY irritates me. Why is this commercial banned but there's no problem with "Will and Grace"?
 
 
Ganesh
11:28 / 05.12.04
Among the people turned away are two men holding hands, and among the crowd "welcomed" into what one presumes is a UCC congregation are two women, arm in arm.

I'm unable, on my crappy, corrupted laptop, to view the ad itself, Grant; could you explain this bit to me? Is the UCC saying they welcome female same-sex couples only, or what?
 
 
FinderWolf
17:57 / 05.12.04
It means they welcome anyone (i.e. they're not prejudiced against homosexuals like most religious groups).

I thought the same thing about "Will & Grace," given that it's one of NBC's top shows...I guess it's ok to have gays as fun entertainment but not ok to say it's not cool to deny them entry into religious groups. Fucking corporate idiots.
 
 
Ganesh
18:23 / 05.12.04
It means they welcome anyone (i.e. they're not prejudiced against homosexuals like most religious groups).

Forgive my evident slowness here (still can't access the ad itself, and I'm sure I wouldn't be asking this if I could) but, in that case, why are two men being "turned away"?
 
 
Wanderer
18:33 / 05.12.04
the two men are being turned away from a non-UCC church. The ad is contrasting other churches (turning people away) with the UCC (welcoming everyone).
 
 
w1rebaby
18:33 / 05.12.04
The first half is all about what traditional churches are like, turning people away. This is then contrasted with what the UCC claims to be like, all accepting and letting anyone in.
 
 
Ganesh
18:44 / 05.12.04
Ahhh, suddenly it all makes sense...
 
 
Jack Fear
12:07 / 06.12.04
I saw the ad last night (big ups to ABC and its cable affiliate, the Family Channel--yes, Family--and their corporate parent, Disney, for showing it during a prime-time broadcast of a popular Christmas movie). Visually, it was pretty witty--the bouncers are two burly shaveheads in black T-shirts, shades and earpieces, manning a velvet rope--and also pretty pointed: after the two men holding hands are turned away, a hetero couple is waved to the front of the line and admitted. As they enter the church, the man looks back over his shoulder at the gay couple with an expression of (presumably) disgust and fear.

Then a Hispanic fellow and a black girl are barred, while white folks are let in. Then there's a title card that says, "Jesus didn't turn anyone away. And neither do we."

Not a great ad--it was a bit cluttered, trying to do too much, and it moved very fast, with constant patter from the bouncers--the beats were too close together, so there wasn't enough time for them to resonate properly--not enough lingering on the tragic faces of the refusees--but it did lead my eight-year old to ask me, "What just happened there?"

So: opening dialogue, which I guess is the whole point.

And yeah, on the Family Channel. Which, given (a) that Channel's usual audience and (b) the narrow definition of "family" that the Religious Right is trying to jam down America's throats, I found encouraging and amusing. God knows the Mouse isn't an ideal corporate citizen, but every now and then they surprise me by at least trying to do the right thing.
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
12:56 / 06.12.04
I saw this ad three times last weekend. I believe that once was on Comedy Central, and the other two times were on one of the Discovery plex channels or another. The commercial is pretty well done and a very encouraging message in the face of rising intolerance from the religious right. Hell, it almost convinced me to go and see what the church was like. Almost.
 
 
ibis the being
15:24 / 06.12.04
Well, while I certainly don't agree with censoring the ad, I think everyone's perhaps deliberately being a little thick in wondering why the networks wouldn't air it. It's not just an ad with gay couples in it, or an ad about tolerating homosexuality. It's an ad that criticizes (the majority of) churches for being homophobic and racist, whilst suggesting that Jesus loves gay people. It's a big double-whammy of controversy. It's basically a guarantee to offend 51% of the American population - either they'll cry "We do so love gay people (just won't let them marry)!" or "Jesus did not love gay people!"

Especially in these hostile times, but at most other points in recent American history as well, the networks "can't" (from their POV) run such an ad. It's basically a foregone conclusion that they'd be deluged with livid Christian complaints, have to yank the ads, and have to apologize. They'd lose their precious advertisers, lose viewers, really, why would network execs put themselves through it?

Again, I'm not saying it's right, but it's about the least surprising news I've heard all year. The bright side is that the story has gotten so much publicity you still usually can't even view the ad at the UCC site.
 
 
w1rebaby
16:40 / 06.12.04
I don't really see that - it doesn't actually accuse any specific church of behaving like that. It's clearly a dig at socially-exclusive churches but who is going to admit that their church actually acts like that? Even the worst is likely to say "I don't hate homosexuals, I just hate homosexuality", love the sinner hate the sin etc (even when that's clearly nonsense).
 
 
Perfect Tommy
00:31 / 11.12.04
I agree with ibis in that it's not so much the content, as the link. For example, the reason I wouldn't think Will & Grace is in danger because it features New Yorkers (gay and straight) being snarky and shallow; queer allies can read this as amusing, and the rest can read is as confirming their suspicions about what 'those people' are like. But to point out that exclusivity isn't inherent to churchgoing is downright dangerous. (When do I get my tinfoil hat in the mail?)
 
 
w1rebaby
09:16 / 11.12.04
Oh, it's dangerous, certainly, people won't like it, the networks know that and that's why they don't want to run it, but what I'm saying is, I would find it hard to formulate a complaint that could be upheld and that made any sense. I suppose one could say that it alleged that all churches other than the UCC were discriminatory. But networks can't pull an ad because some people say "this is disgraceful, it says fags should be let into churches". They can't be seen to act on overt homophobia.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:13 / 07.07.05
An update:

The other shoe has dropped, and the UCC has come out in favor of gay marriage. Attendance at local UCC parishes is up across the country, in large part because of the positive publicity engendered by the anti-discrimination "God Is Still Speaking" ad campaign.

(Celebrity church spokesman Spongebob Squarepants had no comment.)

Good on 'em. A major case of doing well by doing good.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:01 / 16.10.05
Developing story: UCC attendance overall may be up, but revenues are down—by almost half-a-million dollars—and 20 or so UCC churches have voted to sever ties with the congregation over its stance on homsexuality and gay marriage.

Also, rather ominously, the UCC has been targeted by well-funded right-wing groups bent on extinguishing all sparks of liberalism in mainstream Christianity:

“Groups like the Evangelical Association of Reformed, Christian and Congregational Churches and the Biblical Witness Fellowship are increasingly being exposed even as they are increasingly aggressive,” Thomas said. “Their relationship to the right-wing Institute for Religion and Democracy and its long-term agenda of silencing a progressive religious voice while enlisting the church in an unholy alliance with right-wing politics is now longer deniable. … United Church of Christ folk like to be ‘nice,’ to be hospitable. But, to play with a verse of scripture just a bit, we doves innocently entertain these serpents in our midst at our own peril.”

Bishop Thomas also brilliantly invokes the image of "the Good Son" in characterizing the response of disgruntled congregants:

We know there are those in our church who struggle out of their own sense of biblical integrity over the church’s welcome and affirmation of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons. But when I receive emails and letters from UCC members railing against such a welcome, angry that God’s gracious love is lavished on the unworthy, bitter that the church’s attention is being directed to the lost rather than to those who have faithfully tended the farm, then I sense the voice of the older brother in our midst. When I hear from UCC members and congregations who have assumed the role of arbiter over who has earned the embrace of the waiting parent, divine or otherwise, then I sense the voice of the older brother in our midst. When I receive emails and letters from UCC members and pastors furious because we have dared to speak on the way our political and economic institutions affect the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable among us, who demand to know why we mingle our faith with politics or economics, who wonder why we should sully ourselves in the pig styes of the far country, who admonish me and us to return to our proper work of managing the family farm, then I sense the voice of the older brother.

Press release and a link to the full text of Thomas's speech hither. This guy knows how to pick his fights, I'll tell you; If you can judge a man's worth by the quality of his enemies, then he's top of the pops.
 
 
Supersister
17:30 / 18.10.05
They advertise churches on TV? Now that's contraversial.
 
 
*
19:24 / 19.10.05
Technically the ads are meant to be public service announcements sponsored by the churches in an effort to spread whatever message they feel is vital to get out to the world at large, but I think advertising a church is really not much different from advertising a political party.
 
  
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