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Seth
05:12 / 01.12.04
Jobhunting is taking ages this time round. I feel as though all my applications are being eaten by the letterbox, I seldom hear anything back from having posted them. I’m currently using a combination of local newspapers, agencies and the net, and I’ve had a few interviews, but it’s all a long slog and quite draining.

So… this is a thread for sharing job-hunting tips, giving shout outs for good jobs, sharing stories of crappy interviews, cowboy companies we’ve applied for before we knew any better, and job hunting blues. My first two questions:

- Has anyone tried the job-hunting strategies from What Colour is Your Parachute? Any success stories?

- Does anyone know of any decent jobs going in London, Southampton, Bristol or Brighton?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:58 / 02.12.04
Oh dear, poor you - jobhunting sucks. Ugh. I sent off application after application, just as you are doing, and never got anywhere when I was applying for jobs I saw in the papers or on the net. Just rejection letters and (once) an interview, which wasn't successful. At least you are getting some interviews - getting none is really depressing. I eventually managed to get temping work, and some people I know have got decent permanent jobs through temping, but it's not a given.

However, things have improved for me lately; I've got one part-time job which is permanent, and though it doesn't pay me enough to keep me, I have been able to pick up stuff to supplement it, and that's happened through my proper job being in a place where people come looking for students, researches etc. to employ on a private or ad-hoc basis. But that wasn't the result of careful planning on my part, just luck.

What kind of thing are you looking for - anything specific?

Least favourite interview question ever: 'What do you consider your greatest fault?'

Most ridiculous: 'What's your favourite colour?'

Most bizarre place interviewed: one of the director's mates' living room, while his wife made dinner in the background.

Good luck!
 
 
William Sack
12:10 / 02.12.04
Can't help you at all Seth, but (remembering some job-related stuff you posted here a while back) make sure you ask any potential employer about what sort of anal boner you might receive. Ridiculous nonsense aside, best of luck.

Kit-Cat, that biggest fault question is ridiculous isn't it? Unless you refer to an addiction or a total lack of work ethic the employer is going to know that you're lying.

I'm actually involved in interviewing people for a job myself at the moment and am finding it every bit as unpleasant as being on the other side.
 
 
Axolotl
12:23 / 02.12.04
I have just handed in my resignation (wahoo!), so I can move to Glasgow (wahoo!) but this means I need to start looking for a new job (chiz chiz).
I'm hoping I won't have to resort to my fall-back position as all round hotel worker, but who knows? To be honest the way I feel at the moment even scrubbing bathrooms all day seems more attractive than my current position.
 
 
Spaniel
13:08 / 02.12.04
Seth, I'd wouldn't suggest looking in Brighton. Employers down this way just love to under pay (luckily we're now the 4th most expensive town in which to buy property!). Also, there's about a thousand applicants for all the good jobs - 'swhat comes of having 2 universities, and an enormous population of graduates.

If you want to work for Amex, however...
 
 
Loomis
13:26 / 02.12.04
The interview for my last job was in two parts. The second part was with the actual employer, but before that I had to suffer through a ridiculous interview with someone from HR who asked me a whole load of stupid questions, inlcuding, "How do you succeed?". Realising that this was one of the few chances I would have to quote Star Wars in a work situation, I replied with Han Solo's immortal, "It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense." Cue blank stare and hasty backpedalling from Loomis. Got the job though ...

Apparently it's a good idea to have an original question to ask when they say, "Do you have any questions for us?" Helps them to remember you. At the interview for this job, when that point arrived I asked them what was the worst part of the job. It put them on the back foot and they were all stumbling for an answer. I found out after getting the job that it had made them remember me and was one reason why I got the job. That and the fact that I was the only one without a criminal record.
 
 
haus of fraser
13:52 / 02.12.04
seth what do you do/ want to do?

I don't want to sound too negative but i know companies where they'll dismiss you from your initial letter if you don't live in London or within commuting distance already. I'm not saying this happens in all companies but definitely does in some (that i have worked for)- it may help if you make a decision on where you want to be, eg London, Brighton etc and look at the employment opportunities in those towns.

Do some research on the company before an interview- it makes you seem keen and up for the work, and you'd be suprised how many people don't do this. It also helps you prep your questions- yes you need to ask the money/ holiday question, but everybody will ask this question- get something that makes them know you are capable of the job and not a damp squib.
"uh what is it you do again?"

If there is a specialist area that may be hard to get into you may want to cold call and do a cv drop- this is long slow and labourious but could help you if you want to work in telly, publishing, radio, film etc- often jobs like this don't need to be advertised as there is always a level of interest in them- you can bet if this is one of your first jobs that anything advertised will be so over subscribed by over qualified people you may not get a look in.

That said The Guardian job pages are always pretty good- saturday as I remember is a compile of almost all jobs on offer.

hope this helps

good luck
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:50 / 08.12.04
Guh. I honestly cannot motivate myself for the job interview I have this afternoon - the previous two have utterly robbed me of life and hope. I'm just not a good enough liar: every time I mention the things that "attract me to the role", the people on the other side of the desk give a tight, forced smile because they KNOW I'M LYING.

Now, the professional jobhunting advisers will tell you: if you can't summon up enthusiasm for the interview, you shouldn't be applying for this job. But a) it's through an agency, and if I cancel at the last minute they may not want to find me any more, and b) fuck you, you smug capitalism-gobbling fuckstick. AARRRGGGHHHHH.
 
 
illmatic
11:10 / 08.12.04
If you can focus on a field you'd like to work in, what about taking up voluntary work in that area? It shows willing, gets you contacts*, teaches new skills and gets you out of the house and feeling sorry for yourself. Of course, it doesn't actually provide you with any money to eat or live, but them's the breaks.

*Vital, I think. All good jobs seem to come through nepotism.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
11:20 / 08.12.04
The answer that question is "because I would be good at it." There is only one right answer and all you need to do is present it with reasoned self-agrandisement. This is with the exception of jobs for which you woul be willing to lick RKS's shitty boots to do.

For those finding work a little hard to come by at the moment then may I suggest the carpet bombing approach to employment. Go round the agencies and then take anything you don't consider demeaning or hideously underpaid. As soon as you get into placement start looking for better jobs and pointedly taking time off for interviews. On one hand the company can never complain that they had no idea that you didn't intend to commit and on the other hand prospective employers like the faint hint of desperation of the candidate currently in employment. It means they don't have to worry about the occasional nuggets of turd that they may have to send you way and you demonstrate the compulsion to properly fund you weekend beer habit.
 
 
sleazenation
11:41 / 08.12.04
Father fowl speaks the truth. After I left university i did some voulentary tech support at a nearby sixthform college - it may not have helped me make any work-related contacts but it was an important boost to my self esteem.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:23 / 08.12.04
Illmatic speaks the truth, definitely on the contacts *and* motivation stuff.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:19 / 08.12.04
Of course, it doesn't actually provide you with any money to eat or live, but them's the breaks.

Ah yes, a minor drawback, in much the same way as the fact that THE SKY IS EMPTY, DESOLATE AND BLEAK AND EMPTY AND NO ONE ANSWERS has proved a hindrance to my relationship with God.

Carry on, carry on.
 
 
Jub
14:24 / 08.12.04
Hiya Seth. I know where you're coming from... I hate it when I'm looking for work and kinda develop the attitude of "well, if they're not going to give me a job then I'm going to stop applying - that'll learn 'em". It's important not to do this! Just remember that it's nothing personal when you don't hear back from someone or you get a rejection letter.

What kind of work are you looking for?

Also, covering letters are key IMO. Make sure the grammar and spelling is perfect too, since my boss regularly bins covering letters which do not meet her high standards of English as a way of thinning down the number of applications.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:19 / 08.12.04
Yeah - spell-checking is very important, and don't rely on the Word spell-checker - I once sent a letter off for an assistant editor's job which ended 'I look forward to heating from you'... needless to say, I didn't hear anything.
 
 
Seth
23:06 / 08.12.04
I’ve got a wide remit. This next job is not going to be my life’s mission statement. As long as it’s good hard work, not too demeaning or compromising, and supports some element of my ongoing interest in what it means to be human. My only qualification is my Master Practitioner of NLP certificate, which most prospective employers don’t seem to understand, my experience is in customer service, service improvement, sales, finance, and business analysis. Much that is cross-transferable, but never a salary above the seventeen grand mark. My psychometric tests posit high suitability for a management role. I’ve been shortlisted for interview twice this week though: one for the bizzies, one for local council. Looking forward to the interviews muchly!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:09 / 08.12.04
Job-hunting totally sucks. That's what keeps me at my job (which I generally enjoy, though there are times I just want to get the fuck out of there)- it's easier, and much less frightening, to stay there and moan about it than it is to find something else. Of course, I know this will have to happen one day, but the very idea terrifies me.
 
 
illmatic
10:06 / 09.12.04
I meant that more to Seth tha you, Fly, sorry.

And anyway I've changed my mind - Seth: sack those interviews. I've decided you are ideally placed to roadie for the Boredoms.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
10:29 / 09.12.04
I am job-hunting too. Had enough of my current place. Job-hunting at any time of year sucks ass, but round Xmas time...uuurgh. Put simply, for sanity and financial reasons, I have to find something else within the next couple of months or I'm screwed.

This site is quite generic but I've had a few prospective phone calls already, and I've only been registered a few days.

Best of luck.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:05 / 09.12.04
Mmm. Been thinking about trying to change jobs recently. I like my job at the mo - it's fun, laidback and most importantly allows me the time to concentrate on illustration. However my boredometer always starts playing up after a while, and I must make sure not to fall into a greener grass situation, wherein I give up one job only to remember that other jobs are soul sucking shit-pies... Tricky.
Advice? Sheesh I don't know. I agree with Ill that most good jobs come with a degree of nepotism attached, so think hard about all the interesting good people you know, even if it's barely at all. Then milk them suckers for all their worth. Obviously the meat of it's gotta be you, and that's where you alone can excel. Aside from that, you seem to have the usual avenues covered, so maybe try the oral approach - tell people you're looking for work, even if you're in the pub. You never know what might be available at the right time right place...
 
 
Seth
12:13 / 09.12.04
Cheers, Hattie. I've been on Jobsite for while, it's good but tends to act as agency fodder and yet another buffer between yourself and the company who might actually employ you.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
10:49 / 10.12.04
In addition to Kit Cat's blooper above, I recently sent my CV off for an editorial job, along with a requested correction of the spelling and grammar of the original job advert, you know, one of those exercises to see if you *can* work as an editor.

They sent me a rather snotty reply back saying I had spotted all the mistakes, but had mis-spelt "licence" as "license" on my own CV. Thanks a lot, fucking Microsoft US English. Needless to say, no job.

Stoopid.
 
 
Seth
07:50 / 15.12.04
Done!

As of 27th February 2005 I’ll be a cop working in Winchester. Well, not exactly a cop: I’m working in the Force Enquiry Centre, taking emergency and non-emergency calls. It’s basically a high responsibility customer service role, in an interesting environment, with… wait for it… no sales element! Hooray!

And it’s a lot more money than I’ve earned before, even when I was working in sales. And I get to wear a uniform. But sadly no handcuffs.
 
 
Seth
07:51 / 15.12.04
You’re all under arrest.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
08:11 / 15.12.04
Do they give you a big blue helmet?
 
 
imaginary mice
08:22 / 15.12.04
Pah. Who needs a job? Last day at work today lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala! I'm going to live on love and air (and my savings) from now on (well, until the money runs out anyway). Me very very happy.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:13 / 22.12.04
I just had an interview and I have absolutely no idea how it went. I left feeling neutral- so does that mean that the interviewer had exactly that impression of me?

You know what, don't answer that question. I think I need to talk about kittens.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
16:02 / 01.06.05
Anyone got an advice for this wee problem?

(Anyone want to lie for me?)
 
 
Seth
16:07 / 01.06.05
I'm confused. I've read the link and it's nothing to do with wee.

If you have a wee problem I suggest you visit the doctor.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
17:09 / 01.06.05
Anna - My references, for my current job, were over two years old as I'd been travelling around Oz and failing to study. Try not to worry.

Seth - How is your job?
 
 
40%
17:55 / 01.06.05
Seth, all I can tell you about is the agency situation in Southampton, and it’s not great. This is if you’re looking for stuff just to pay the rent or maybe a springboard.

Strangely, whenever I talk to other people who have dealt with the same agencies as me, they seem to have different experiences. E.g. Brooke Street (between HMV and Foot Locker), I’ve found them very friendly and helpful, as did the girl who recommended them to me. I spoke to another girl I temped with recently who said they were no help at all. They set me up with one interview, for a job at the docks which I didn’t really want in the end, and twice offered me work stopping people on the street asking them to become members of Fitness First gym (?!). Yeah, me all over…

Right4stafff – high staff turnover in the office, two very nice and helpful ladies I dealt with last year are not there anymore and the current people have been no help. A last resort, I feel.

Barker Personnel – I used to go to this agency all the time, but I don’t bother anymore, they’re a bit Mickey Mouse and tend to give you very short term contracts with low pay and which don’t really open any doors. They can also be a bit rude.

Kelly Services – temping with them at the mo at Norwich Union in Queens Terrace, they have good opportunities at this company if you’re interested. However, they’re a bit rough around the edges and tend to offer you crap as well. Ho hum. Other temps have commented that they’re very quick movers though.

Office Angels – Brighton branch was pretty good, and got me plenty of work (despite Boboss’s correct observations about job situation there). I had written off the Southampton branch until recently when they contacted me about a long-term temp position at £8.24 an hour. Get in!

Blue Arrow – a single anecdote from another temp who went in there and was told “we don’t deal with people like you”. Tells you all you need to know really.

Pertemps – you’d probably never notice em, but they’re just opposite Lodge Road and just above a pizza takeaway. I registered with them more recently after seeing them advertising on fish4jobs, and they seem alright. Well, the lady there is alright, one of the blokes got my name wrong and tried to fix it by asking if I had a brother of that name, which made no sense at all. But the lady has phoned me a couple of times and seems pretty on the ball.

I’m sure you’re getting bored by now, so I’ll tell you what I consider the best all round option. Barna Shields. They’re just down from MacDonalds. They’re not perfect by any means, but I’ve never had any real problems with them, and I’ve never spoken to anyone else who has. They go through phases of phoning you and not phoning you, but the pay is usually alright, and with decent enough companies too. A good solid choice for your portfolio.

Don’t know if you’re looking for stuff in the office area or not, but that lot should be of some help. Good luck!
 
 
40%
18:06 / 01.06.05
Oops, I see you already found a job several months ago. Shows how much attention I was paying, as usual.

Hope that little lot is of some use or interest to someone, anyway.
 
 
Axolotl
10:24 / 02.06.05
I am having a bad time of jobhunting at the moment. Despite my complete lack of legal qualifications (I do have experience though) I have been told I am overqualified for entry level conveyancing jobs and not experienced enough for anything higher up.
Presently I am stuck in a bad temping job where the company dangle the lure of a permanent job in front of me whenever I look like quitting before cruelly snatching it away. I hate them all.
 
 
Seth
13:13 / 02.06.05
Seth - How is your job?

It's good in the main. I mean, a lot of it seems pretty pointless: the day before yesterday I spent twenty minutes taking a crime report for a couple of stolen milk bottles. And the juvenile nuisance stuff takes over the world... kids riding mini-motorbikes and kicking footballs into house walls. It's stuff that has to be dealt with but can seem like a huge wasted effort.

Then there's the times that people call us for bizarre reasons. I mean, I know the Police remit is pretty wide, but I strongly feel we shouldn't get the call when there's a lobster walking up your drive. Or if the antenna has fallen off the roof of your house. Or if you've come home to fine a pasta shell glued to the lock on your front door. All true stories.

We get the best loony callers of anywhere. Some of it's really sad (a old lady who lives alone who was terrified to go into one of the rooms of her house because the door was open when she came back from shopping, leading her to think she'd been burgled. She hadn't, but she couldn't go in the room for weeks), but when you get a call complaining about a group of ten year olds congregated outside a property who seem to be part of the IRA it's very hard to keep a straight face.

But then there's the times when you can really make a difference to someone. Getting a call late at night from someone who "Just wants to disappear." You have to keep them talking while you gently ask questions to find out who and where they are, all the while digging in the database to find information on them. In this case she was raped a couple of years ago, in her own terms "has never been the same since," is fighting for custody of her children and distraught over a court report that she feels "makes her sound like a monster." She was in a bad way but told me it wasn't a Police matter.

You never know when someone might decide to do something stupid, so I arranged for officers to see her anyway. When you can see the good of what you're doing it's a fantastic job. Plus getting to read all the crime reports and incident logs is fascinating.
 
  
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