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Contemporary Comic Books: Why Should I Read Them?

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
15:48 / 30.11.04
I've recently developed a vague interest in reading comic books other than the ones that I normally purchase (the sporadically published work of people like Adrian Tomine, Chris Ware, Daniel Clowes, Jessica Able et al, plus whatever Peter Milligan and Grant Morrison are up to, as well as miscellaneous comic books involving the X-Men, the Legion Of Super Heroes and the Fantastic Four). I'm not sure if I really want to invest a lot of money in buying comic books that aren't very good. In this thread, I would like for you to either make a case for why I should read a current comic book series, or tell me why I shouldn't.
 
 
Krug
16:10 / 30.11.04
Yes, but do you read Stray Bullets and Strangehaven? Neither is a monthly though. Strangehaven is an annual more like.

Well I'd recommend Daredevil because it's easily the best superhero book on the market, Bendis has a handle on the character better than anyone, and with every arc defines a character we all thought was done to death and kicking Frank Miller's work on him off the top. It's distinctive looking, I'm sure you've taken a look at it, but it's a labour of love, Bendis has a geniune affection for Murdock and DD, and the most recent wraps up a nice love story.

Ex Machina, is an interesting concept, and just when you think they've done "supeheroes in the real world" to death, a book like this comes along. Vaughan's doing some of his better writing on the book, and it's great to have Tony Harris back on a monthly. The characters are very engaging.

Punisher, the new series by Garth Ennis that followed "The End" one shot, is the best writing he's done in a very long time. Someone who doesn't care for his war stuff or his slapstick, I find Punisher to be an angry and cynical book of ultraviolence that's usually entertaining. Read "The End" one shot drawn by Richard Corben, and if that's your thing, get the first trade "In the Beginning" the second arc was sort of meh, and the current one is great so far.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:13 / 30.11.04
I'm not sure what side you've come down on in terms of the Ex Machina divide, but it is a truly fantastic contemporary book. You've got the FF on lock. I would continue to recommend Bendis and Maleev's Daredevil, as it's one of the more incredible runs in recent memory. I'm not sure that there's anything else you're particularly missing out on. I've been enjoying Millar's runs on Wolverine and Spider-Man and Ellis' recent output (his Ultimate Fantastic Four is running circles around the first arc), definitely give his Frank Ironwine one-shot a look, as it was fucking hilarious and great. I'm trying to think of the books that end up at the top of my stack every week, but I don't think there's anything essential that you're not reading. I like the new She-Hulk book, but not as religiously as some. It's a fun book but it loses an enormous amount when the regular artist (Bobillo?) is away. And even he couldn't save a pretty weak space storyline involving Warlock and the Infinity Watch. Remember them? Sadly, I do.

Oh, of course. Sleeper is fantastic, as is Gotham Central. I believe the first trade of Gotham Central is obscenely cheap as well. The pre-Gulacy (yuck) Catwomans are great, I don't know if you caught those, especially Pulido's three issue arc a few months back. I'm guessing your Milligan cull includes Human Target, as it should.

And The Walking Dead is a great comic for people who just think horror comics in general are complete garbage.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:18 / 30.11.04
Oh right, Stray Bullets. I forgot to mention that. I just bought the new issue and was really into it. I'm definitely planning on going back and reading those first few books now. (Yo Runce, I guess I should stop holding my breath now?)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:23 / 30.11.04
I've read the first four issues of Ex Machina and have officially decided that it's not worth my time and money. So that's that.

As for Bendis/Maleev Daredevil, I actually have been thinking about giving that a chance, even though I'm not a big Daredevil fan and have never particularly liked Bendis. I like Alex Maleev's artwork quite a bit, so that's a lot of the draw. I saw the most recent issue yesterday, and I really loved how they went from the regular Maleev art to the faux-silver age look to full-on black and white over the course of a few pages. That impressed me, though I have no idea if the story was any good or not.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:26 / 30.11.04
Human Target is probably my favorite current series other than Astonishing X-Men, so yeah, no worries about that.

I might get the first Ellis/Immonen FF book if it's cheap in trade paperback. I'm really into the FF right now, so I might just get it to get another FF fix (though nothing other than Kirby/Lee and the Grant Morrison miniseries is nearly as satisfying as Waid/Weiringo.) Then again, I see that Adam Kubert is back on Ultimate FF, so um, no thanks. I can't stand the Kuberts.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:34 / 30.11.04
Yeah, the Kuberts are god fucking awful and I weep whenever one of them ends up on a book I'm otherwise enjoying. QFD because this new arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four already looks better than the last.

And the new Daredevil arc is really shaping up nicely. If you do pick it up, don't worry, you didn't miss an issue. It takes an enormous narrative leap between the latest and the one before it (66 & 67? Soemthing-6 and Something-7 for sure. It goes right from the cover with DD in yellow to the one with Matt tied up in the chair. I was confused for a second too.)

It's also Bendis' most restrained work, thank goodness. When he and Maleev join forces for an incredible and understated splash page, it's magic. (To wit: DD's getting the shit beat out of him, he urges the super-powered thug who's whaling on him to avoid the face, as he's got a court date tomorrow. Cut to a full page of the villain pulling the strings, all ominous: "Tomorrow? That seems rather optimistic." Bad. Ass.)
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:42 / 30.11.04
Did I mention 100 Bullets? I'm guessing you must have given this book a shot at some point.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:49 / 30.11.04
I have the first two 100 Bullets trades. It never really worked for me.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:10 / 30.11.04
Powers.

I just sat down and re-read the series to date. It's possible you might have an aversion to Bendis. I can understand that. There have been a few Bendis books I just couldn't wade through. the talking heads thing gets out of hand sometimes. However, I think Powers is a bit different, mostly because it's creator-owned, therefore it has not prior history baggage that writers have to apologize for or reveal (the Bendis Exposition Tendency). What I like about Powers is the effortlessness of it. It feels like it was just breathed out. The characters seem real, the stories are simple, but plausible (in a superhero world), it takes the "gritty realistic" thing uses it in a non-depressive way. The entire series makes sense, too. It's interesting how every story arc leads into the next and then comes back to inform current events.

I'm not very good at describing it's strong suits, but that's how I FEEL about it, at least.
 
 
misterpc
18:36 / 30.11.04
Jack Staff.

JackStaffJackStaffJackStaffJackStaff.

And get all the Kane TPBs as well.

In fact, anything by Paul Grist.
 
 
Mario
18:46 / 30.11.04
Because there are still a few comics out there (JLA Classified, Adam Strange) that are just plain FUN.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:00 / 30.11.04
It would really help if you sold the books a bit. I'm not asking for the names of books that you like, I want you to convince me that the books are worth my time and money.
 
 
Krug
19:23 / 30.11.04
Powers: Seconded.

I'm not sure how you feel about Bendis but I'm a fan of at least half the books he writes, Powers is great police drama and the characteris are well realised and only get more and more interesting as the book unfolds. I liked Powers quite a bit until I read the last two arcs Sellouts and Forever. At that point I was convinced of that Bendis is the best mainstream writer, and Powers belonged in a list of comics that must be read, like Preacher or Shade the Changing Man. Sellouts (Book Six) is great social commentary and the best JLA/Superman story never written since Marvelman. I'm not fond of Superman and there's so much you can't do with the character. Forever (Book Seven out soon, it's already late) is the only well done superhero origin I've ever read, it's a bit sad how typical and boring superhero origin stories are and while Forever did nothing new, it certainly felt very fresh.

I'd check out "Who Killed Retro Girl" if I were you or if you were already there, and weren't impressed check out the vol 2, that started recently. Issue six came out last week but I haven't read it yet. So far, every issue has been high quality.

Ex Machina: Ah, well to each their own.

I just read issues 1 and 2 of Authority Revolution, I didn't read the book after Millar left, and I wasn't a fan anyway. This new book is another of those "what if superheroes took over the world to make it a better place" stories, and Brubaker's doing a splendid job so far. Nothing particularly inventive but it's enjoyable. But then I'm a sucker for such stories, and nothing quite fills the void that the unfinished Marvelman left.

Captain America is a character I checked after people recommended stories but he never worked for me. I saw him as Marvel's answer to Superman but he's had his fair share of crap writers so I checked out the new #1 written by Brubaker. I'm not a fan but I'm going to give hte first arc a go, so far so good.
 
 
Triplets
19:24 / 30.11.04
Why should we?
It doesn't make a difference to the books we enjoy whether you like it or not.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:35 / 30.11.04
Well, it's not exactly important that I like it, but the point of this thread is to sell me (and/or other people on Barbelith) on the merits or faults of current comics. Just saying "I like ______" isn't that useful unless you plan on unpacking that thought and put in a little effort in telling us why you think it's worthwhile.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:40 / 30.11.04
So, going back to the Bendis/Maleev Daredevil. Would I want to go back and start at the beginning of the run, or could I jump in at another point? What would you suggest?

I'm inclined to just buy the first hardcover and move on from there.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:40 / 30.11.04
Is Flux involved in a web-based Manchurian Candidate type of scenario here ?

If not, I suppose decisions about buying comics, or not, might be better considered after a couple of weeks on a health farm somewhere, but it's not him, is it ?
 
 
sleazenation
20:21 / 30.11.04
For me, half the fun with Kane, (and to an extent, Jack Staff) is appreciating its structure, both in narrative and design. Kane is a cop story, a police proceedural. Six month's ago Kane shot his partner. It was rumoured his partner was on the take. Internal Affaires cleared him and he's back on the streets, but not everyone at the 39th precinct is happy about it. Interestingly, with Kane, Grist manages to craft compelling stories and explore how a police department functions with all its verious lays of corruption. Its a black and white book that's all about shades of grey.

Grist's art may seem simplistic (and reminicent of Marc Hempel's) at first, but it is actually highly stylized. He conveys flashback sequences mainly through page layout. The comic is also full of sight gags and references to British comics and popular culture.

Kane is currently being republished as collections through Image.

Grist's other main comic at the moment, Jack Staff, is also a lot of fun, a comic that is very much about Joy. Its a superhero comic that is basically Paul Grist imagining the ending to an old issue of Capatain America and taking it from there. The collection of the first Jack Staff trade, 'everything used to be black and white.'
 
 
sleazenation
20:32 / 30.11.04
Oh - Kane is no longer published as single issues - its going to be OGNs from here on in - Jack Staff is coming out as a regular comic through Image.
 
 
captain piss
20:48 / 30.11.04
Ooh, Im so fucking pleased you liked Stray Bullets, Matt, but I knew you would. just as I knew you'd like Buffy...and just as I know you don't/won't particularly dig JLA Classified.

I practically am you.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:12 / 30.11.04
DAREDEVIL:
I jumped onto Daredevil around the "HARDCORE" storyline and picked up the TPB to fill in backstory.

There's a bit early on where the art switches off of Maleev and onto someone else. This I felt worked against the momentium of the storyline but as I was already "sold" on the current sttory and was reading that particular TPB as backstory it was tollerable.

I mention this because you may feel somewhat dissapointed by a lackluster middle of the Hardcover (not exactly sure how many TPBs are contained in the Hardcover). Perhaps the overall package will work, or perhaps you'd prefer to pick up on the current storyline (only 2 issues in) and fill in backstory. OR pick up one of the TPBs and drop right in the middle of the run.

I'll second the very enjoyable SHE HULK. Well written and funny, proper deference to the Marvel Universe with-out being bogged down by its history.
 
 
sleazenation
21:15 / 30.11.04
Picking up on the Losers (mentioned in another thread)

It bills itself an intelligently-written - big hollywood-style, blockbuster, action/adventure film in the form of the comic. If that description appeals to you, then so might the comic.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
22:16 / 30.11.04
Right, dude. I'm really glad you overcame your bias against crime comics and checked out Stray Bullets. I'm way behind, but I love what I've read of the series.

I'll second Sleeper, too. Brubaker's generally a really solid genre writer, but he's on fire w/this book. I haven't read any of Season 2 yet, but I'm fairly sure that you wouldn't be at all disappointed if you picked up the two collections of Season 1.

Other than some of the stuff already mentioned, though, there really aren't many regular series that are worth much at the moment.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:18 / 30.11.04
Definitely start with the first Bendis/Maleev hardover (which, because of the Smith/Queso storyline is '2' on the spine). Yeah, there's a two issue guest spot in the second hardcover but it's two completely adjacent issues and its not that much of a disruption (and not nearly as heinous as that recent FF/Thinker fill in storyline. YE GODS.) Hit it up at Forbidden Planet and enjoy.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:12 / 01.12.04
The question I have when people ask me this is "No you have an attachment to them on any level?"

If the answer is no, I would say that you shouldn't buy the monthlies at all. They require a level of committment and care that has pretty much killed the casual readership, and really have made it next to impossible for people to jump in without knowing a lot about the industry.

I'm not talking continuity, I'm talking pre-ordering, subscription services, shipping dates, alternate cover reprints, which books are on schedule and the like. It's all very annoying, and if DVDs were marketed like comics, no one would have bought them.

If not for the fact that I'm hooked on comics as my entertainment medium of choice, I would suggest just buying trade paperbacks at the local bookstore and avoid comic shops all together. You can get anything worth reading in the collected format at a decent bookstore or on-line bookseller, and if I did that exclusively, I'd prolly be much happier with my purchases.
 
 
_Boboss
08:10 / 01.12.04
don't get jack staff. not for the likes of you.
 
 
NezZ
10:12 / 01.12.04
Check out The Walking Dead. Zombie horror book written by Robert Kirkman, that is more centred on characterisation, and the effect a world full of walking dead would have on you.

For more light hearted work, check out Invincible. I hate teenage angsty stuff, but this really works. I also like the superman analogies in the book. Great and consistent artwork.

I also second (or third) Sleeper, Powers, Losers and Ex Machina.
 
 
sleazenation
10:55 / 01.12.04
With Sleeper, If you like the TV show 'The Shield' you will probably like Sleeper.
 
 
sleazenation
12:01 / 01.12.04
Flux - are you going to tell us A) If you have been convinced/discouraged from checking out any of the titles brought up in this and your other recent threads and B) what you thought of any titles you did try?
 
 
The Falcon
12:12 / 01.12.04
You could just pick up the last two issues of DD, to be honest.

It's a completely fresh arc, and some of the best stuff he's done on the title for a while. Plus, there's that really nice flashback stuff.

If you don't like, it would probably indicate that any further effort on your part was money wasted. If you do, you can then play catch-up.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:21 / 01.12.04
That's a good idea, Duncan. I think I'll do that tomorrow.

Yeah, I'll definitely mention it if I end up trying/liking something recommended in these threads. I'm definitely going to avoid Fables now, and I'm going to borrow the first couple Y The Last Man books soon. I might spend a bit of time looking at the Losers when I'm at the store tomorrow.
 
 
_Boboss
12:34 / 01.12.04
'I'm going to borrow the first couple Y The Last Man books soon'

you'll love it.
 
 
Krug
13:12 / 01.12.04
It's best to start with Daredevil Hardcover Vol 2 (First Year of Bendis/Maleev), 20$ on amazon, maybe cheaper on ebay for 12 issues. Great value.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
06:45 / 02.12.04
The new ishes of two of my favorite new series of the past year or so came out today, so frsh off that new issue read I'll give 'em both a plug.

For fans of Stray Bullets, perhaps less for the crime content so much as for Lapham's artistic stylings, you need only look just right of it in any alphabetized comic shop to find Jim Rugg's Street Angel. She's got her own thread here before, but the new issue is a definite change of pace from the ridiculous action sequences of the 1st three ishes: Jessie, who all along has been held up as a homeless hero, is finally shown as such when we see her regimin of dumpster diving and hanging with her homeless homies. A particularly intense moment is when, while combing through a dumpster behind a bakery, she spots a classmate coming out of church with her mother, and hides inside the dumpster. Seeing a single moth, she impulsively kicks at it, summoning up a swarm that chases her out and draws her classmate's attention directly to her, locking eyes for a couple panels. You definitely read the emotion, which is somewhere between shame and stubborn pride, though no words are exchanged between the two. Just lovely storytelling. If you want more by Rugg, he previously published under the name Dick Troutman a semi-autobiographical book called Outfitters through Aweful Books, his two-man operation with Jason Lex of The Gypsy Lounge, which I also recommend for urban hipster superheroics.

Jamie Smart's Bear is sort of what you might get if Johnny the Homicidal Maniac were a Saturday morning cartoon. (No, that wasn't Invader Zim, you ninnies.) It's the heart-warming story of a little stuffed bear who claims to have been in every war of the past century-plus, a clinically insane cat named Looshkin who is perpetually trying to do him hideous bodily and spiritual harm, and their mutual owner Karl, who seems to usually be resolutely oblivious to any real dysfunction in their household. The dialogue is snappy (and unmistakeably British in origin), the art is idiosynchratic without being total wankery, the characters engaging, and every few panels there's something completely random thrown into the margins (ie, Looshkin points off panel, but a little man behind him for no apparent reason shrieks, "Dun point at meee eeeeee", or the sign above the burning club's entrance: "Please do not set our club on fire" and the bouncer by the door impotently grousing, "Heyyy..."). I like to read the book out loud, as there's something charming about a little teddy bear's voice when it curses like a sailor.

Both books are from Slave Labor Graphics: They're not just for goths and ska kids anymore!

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