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Choronzon Lad
07:16 / 29.11.04
Every time I encounter pagan spiritualists (pagan being used in the catch-all sense) or people of assorted unique belief systems that I always get singled out?

I can be with a large group and people heavy into ritual magicks always stare at me like I have a tattoo on my forehead.

It's typically said by strangers that I have an unusual aura or something. I've had neo-pagans who are into Campbell try to associate me with Loki or Aztec deities. This is all without provocation.

I'm not a magick practioner or shaman.

But I get random people in resturants or other public places stop me and it's somewhat unnerving.

An elderly shop clerk once stopped me in the mall to tell me about how he thinks EM fields are a link to other planes, Tesla's involvement in EM research and why my watches always stop. I didn't mention that my watches always stop, I wasn't wearing one and I never mentioned anything remotely occult. I was just browsing through antique coins and the man claims my aura caught his attention. I have no clue how he knew my watches always stop working.

I'm often just enjoying a cup of coffee when someone feels the need to approach me and tell me I'm an "old soul", that I have a "strange aura" or proceeds to tell me, unsolcited, about what they think I am which is usually some kind of angel or shapeshifter or spiritual being inhabiting/taking the place of a human.

It robs me somewhat of my certainty in my own identity that I get singled out for this.

It's like... a lot of teachers seem to instantly befriend me as if they know me already. I've had professors read a few paragraphs of my writing and proclaim my talent... and it leaves me feeling as though they seem to know me when what they have to go on shouldn't be enough. And so I get scared and try to avoid giving them more to go on.

It's like I have a tattoo on my forehead that they can see but that I (and most people) can't and I don't know what it is.

Tonight, a waitress who announced that she was a priestess of chaos kept staring at me and, especially when I professed ignorance of her faith, just gave me this *look*.

It was this half-tearful look of disbelief aimed just above eye level. Like I had a marking. It was like there was something printed on my forehead that she was afraid of. Whether it was something dangerous she believed was threatening me or me that spurred that hurt look, I don't know. She just kept repressing whatever it was she was thinking.

But she was looking at me... and it felt like she wanted to say, "Do you realize...?" But the last part was left open.

I don't know if it was:

"Do you realize there's something sneaking up on you prepared to devour you?"

"Do you realize that you know more than you know?"

("You know more than you know" is something EVERYONE tells me constantly to the point that it's almost infuriatingly vague and constant.)

"Do you realize what you are?"

"Do you realize you're about to die?"

But she wouldn't say what it was that the looks she was giving me were supposed to mean. Maybe because I had friends present? And the more I pressed her to ask what question she had on her mind as she kept giving me odd glances, the more she tried to hide her facial expressions. She kept insisting it was nothing with a half-terrified smile.


The people I encounter always introduce themselves and their beliefs and then cringe. I'm not sure if it's that I have something behind me that terrifies them...

Or something inside me.

And the more I tend to let words pop out unconsciously, the more many of these people seem to have strong reactions to simple things I say, as if there's either some hidden meaning... or as though there's a movie playing on my forehead and they're reacting to things OTHER than what I'm saying.

And it's unnerving.

Can anybody get to the bottom of this?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:07 / 29.11.04
I think it means you must be the new messiah of thee kaos tantrik aeon and everybody here should give you all their money and have sex with you in order to enter the supercontext.

Either that, or there are just a lot of mad deluded people in the world and you're a bit of a magnet for them.

Next time someone approaches you in this manner, chin them. Should break the karmic cycle and restore natural cosmic order again.
 
 
Seth
09:43 / 29.11.04
Post as complete physical description of yourself as you can, including build, how you move, sound of your voice, the way you use your body, how you appear to othr people (what they usually comment on about you). Helps to eliminate the obvious, first.
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
09:50 / 29.11.04
True ... i'm preparing my by Holmsian 'ah ha!' if he turns out to be a 7ft albino nudist with vestigial horns and pink eyes.
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
09:55 / 29.11.04
Make that 'best' Holmsian 'ah ha!'. I think this guy's aura (awe-ra?) is affecting my typing.

Or it could be my night without sleep and bitch of a comedown. Not sure which.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:22 / 29.11.04
I'm often just enjoying a cup of coffee when someone feels the need to approach me and tell me I'm an "old soul", that I have a "strange aura" or proceeds to tell me, unsolcited, about what they think I am which is usually some kind of angel or shapeshifter or spiritual being inhabiting/taking the place of a human.

You might just be atractive to hippies. I think these are chat-up lines for the bonkers. Have you considered having a shower and a haircut? Possibly wearing a nice suit?
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
10:28 / 29.11.04
Actually, link to a picture of yourself. Seriously, almost every single reaction you're describing can be explained it you're absolutely drop-dead gorgeous with a pentacle necklace and the people talking to you are pretending to be pagan just to get into your pants.
 
 
Seth
10:34 / 29.11.04
Exactly. And there are definitely certain types of body language that will attract all sorts of attention.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:50 / 29.11.04
Every time I encounter pagan spiritualists (pagan being used in the catch-all sense) or people of assorted unique belief systems that I always get singled out?

they're probably just trying to be friendly, in the only way they know how. Try starting conversations about football, or trainspotting ... they'll soon get the message. Or, if someone does try the old "haven't we met in a previous life?" type chat-up line, say "It's true. I was a rampaging hun warrior who set fire to your village and carted you off and made you my sex-slave/dinner" (or whatever seems appropriate). Remember, if politeness doesn't work, make out you're an even worse nutter than they are. If these people do seem intent on making you out to be a wise soul, reincarnated god or sumfink, the very least they should do is buy you a drink or two, right?
 
 
diz
14:23 / 29.11.04
my guess is that, barring the compellingly attractive and/or compelling freakish appearance option, it's simply that you are interested in meeting these sorts of people, or at the very least more open to meeting them than most. a lot of weird people are just dying to find a pair of receptive ears.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
14:23 / 29.11.04
Haus made me larf.

Choronzon, will you be my guru?
 
 
gale
16:20 / 29.11.04
One question: Do you recall ever having a brother named Abel?

Seriously, if you are bothered by the reactions that people have to you, stop going to places where waitresses feel comfortable proclaiming themselves priestesses of chaos. Or, do any of the other things recommended above.

By the way, for how long has this been going on? Can you remember doing anything in particular just before it started? Do "regular type" people ever seem to notice anything?
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
17:43 / 29.11.04
If you look at all like what I imagine you look like, then I'm suprised you are approached at all.

Seriously, though, Haus is right. The "old soul" bit, that's how hippies pick people up. I've seen it first-hand.
 
 
Choronzon Lad
02:19 / 30.11.04
I'm 6'2", 205 pounds. Caucasian. Grey/Blue eyes.



Huh. No. I don't think I'm a chaos messiah...

But I do kinda wonder if you can get sprayed by the magical equivilent of a skunk. I wonder if some people just attract this stuff more.

Or if everybody who will sit through oddball conversations ends up getting ambushed by some of these people.

Whatever. I'm interested in occulty topics, especially as a fan of Grant Morrison, it's just not exactly comforting when people start trying to force you into their cosmology before you even know what that is. I just want the option of the red pill before people try shoving me down rabbit holes that I'm not convinced lead anywhere.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:07 / 30.11.04
hal-lo foxy angel, erm, guru thingy.
 
 
Unconditional Love
07:20 / 30.11.04
rabbit holes are generally full of rabbits, depends which hole of the rabbit you look in though.....
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:53 / 30.11.04
Dude, no wonder people think you're an old soul. That light makes you look about 800. Get a softer light on you - maybe a blue filter? That should sort it out.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:47 / 30.11.04
THERE YOU ARE!!! I wondered if it was you! I've been hoping and praying to run into you again ever since I met you on the bus that time! Do you remember me???

(sorry, couldn't resist)

~L
 
 
Sekhmet
14:22 / 30.11.04
I think it's the eyes. Definitely the eyes.

Or perhaps that glowy sigil thing on your forehead. Either way.

* * *

I don't know what to tell you, CL. I have a similar problem, except that mine is all to do with people who are lost. EVERYONE asks me for directions. The unfortunate thing is that I have a crap memory for street names, so my directions are rarely any good. But still they ask, on street corners, out of car windows, on buses. They'll cross the street just to ask me where to go, and I say, well, I think it's around here somewhere, and they look nettled because I'm supposed to know where they're going.

I don't know why that happens either.

Perhaps the powers that be are trying to get you to look further into "occulty topics". It might be worthwhile, just for the sake of knowing what these people are saying when they babble witchspeak at you...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
15:17 / 30.11.04
And equally, they could be saying "for fucksake keep away from all this weirdstuff or you'll end up like these sad bastards."
 
 
LVX23
17:54 / 30.11.04
Well, all of these occurences could actually be signs pushing you in some direction. Look for patterns. Analyze exactly what these people are syaing to you. Put it all together in a way that seems meaningful to you then follow the course. Maybe you really are destined for adepthood...
 
 
Z. deScathach
04:28 / 01.12.04
I agree with LVX. Look at it as life trying to tell you something. Even if that's not the case, it's a good way to approach such things, it might open up interesting possiblities and new avenues in your life. What could it hurt? Either that or you may have picked up a pet demon somehow, I hear they can follow a person around like puppies.....that bonding thing..... the next time one of these people come up up to you, just ask them if they want it.....
 
 
eye landed
12:56 / 03.12.04
i imagine...decide if you would prefer to be ignored. ponder it deeply.

i would choose weirdness magnet over nondescript slob, but its a matter of greener fences and such.

you might also divide the question in two: why do people violate my space? and am i really a chaos messiah? solve one at a time by brainstorming answers and their implications.

i think that if you figure out what you want from either unsolicited attention or privacy, then the issue will resolve itself one way or another. if you turn out to be a chaos messiah, it doesnt mean you have to quit your job or anything.

based on far too little information (you are interested in occult topics but you dont practice magick), my guess is that you are practicing magick 'under the table' to attract occult experiences. if you want it to stop, the obvious step would be to get your chi under control by slaying a few demons and suchlike.
 
 
Choronzon Lad
12:50 / 11.12.04
Weirdness magnet is better than non-descript, yes. I'm looking for option C, magnetically descript.

I am curious about the pet demon and the 'under the table' magic comments.

My sum history of strange dreams/experiences (condensed):

I was born between two hubs of paranormal sightings in the U.S., VERY close to the Mothman stuff.

I've been able to remember anything and everything in my life, including (unusually I've gathered) incidents from before I could speak. More on this later.

I used to hear whispers as a small child. See shapes swirling in the shadows. Extended periods of relative quiet would result in awareness of a low harmonic hum.

Lots of dreams about conflict in the sky (that wasn't quite the sky), viewing things 3 dimensionally (ala sonar), a man in a robe associated with lightning, acrobats with swords. Movement in my dreams has always been less a physical process and more... fuzzy. Always befriended (and pursed) by inanimate objects personified.

My earliest recurring dream I can recall was about being visited by two people who explained that they were my real parents. Always insisted as a child that my body had nothing to do with who I was and privately felt like I was living someone else's life.

Lots of recurring dreams about a mentor figure. Trenchcoat or something like it. Blonde. Well-spoken. Always talking about testing me and apprenticing me, then pushing me through bizarre dreams, game show style where I was in a lucid state (I knew I was dreaming; he made a point of making sure that I knew I was dreaming) but I was denied any control. Couldn't wake up or influence things. There's always been some identity confusion with this dream because I always felt like the mentor-guy was somehow ME... but I guess that identification is typical with mentors.

Strange dream-like experience around 18. Waves of statis moving towards a central point. Sensation of gravity and weightlessness, accompanied by an epiphany of my body at different points in time asleep.

That's when the aura thing started. Got some pagans who thought I was Loki or a changeling. People would stop me to discuss Tesla. Slept less. Visibly aged more (I look older than in the picture generally and everyone thinks I'm 30+ which gets annoying). Decreased academic capability for a couple of years. Anxiety attacks. Discovered I was possibly a high functioning autistic. Politically shifted towards anarchy. Became Hamlet-obsessed.

Now, people come up to me and talk about my aura or give me weird looks. Etc.

I'm self-conscious to admit it but I tried the stuff that Grant Morrison posted on his website and it worked without failure. I've seen other people try and it doesn't seem to work universally.

I tend towards gnostic ambivalence, I guess. I'll see something unusual or do something I set out to do after much meditation and quickly I retreat to disbelieving it.

I imagine how it must be a trick of light or a coincidence and how all these crazy people keep hounding me.

Even now, I feel selfconscious about this post for containing what feels like a lot of irrelevant coincidences that I'm probably blowing out of proportion.
 
 
Z. deScathach
01:47 / 12.12.04
I am curious about the pet demon and the 'under the table' magic comments.

Hmmm..it was a joke..... obviously a bad one. But seriously, I find it odd that you would come to us with this problem, and then give us a history that fairly SCREAMS new age. Given the truth of what you are saying, I find it hard to imagine that these people WOULD NOT come up to you. Perhaps they are picking up on it. Instead of resisting it, why not run with it? Could be fun.......
 
 
Seth
14:33 / 12.12.04
Magic can be a right pain in the ass if it’s not what you want. I know what it’s like to feel hounded, to feel as if it’s encroaching on your sense of self.

What do you want to do about it, Choronzon Lad? Firstly, it might help to ignore the terminology that other people use to describe these sorts of phenomena. It’s hard not to feel as if you’ve co-opted part of their belief system just because you’re using their words. Choosing not to have to subscribe to their system in order to value your own experience might be really valuable.

That’ll make it easier to stand your ground when random people start to invade your personal space with their comments. A quick, “You’re wrong about me,” delivered politely and with conviction, repeated in various ways to get the meaning across. Practise focusing on other sounds in the room and your own internal dialogue if you’re concerned the content of what they’re saying might be important (I’ve ignored a number of wannabe Charismatic Christian prophets this way – I just don’t need that garbage in my head).

What exactly do you want?
 
  
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