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Would you 'use' a sigil from an unknown source?

  
 
Joetheneophyte
17:32 / 28.11.04
Now first and foremost I must apologise to GypseyLantern and others on here who are sick to death about talking about Sigils. This is not just another of my newbie questions but something that was brought up on another website and I believe, whilst initially seemingly a simple question, actually reveals your opinions about how Magick 'works'

On this website, somebody has started a thread where Sigils are displayed and the other posters have the option of using them, themselves....without knowing the intent of the Sigil. Personally, this is something I would steer clear of but in the course of my explaining my position, I had a intuition that this would be okay as long as you did some form of divination before attempting such work, to see how this might play out.

The crux of the matter is that this seemingly simple enough proposal/question as to whether you yourself would feel comfortable employing somebody else's Sigil, reveals whether

a: You believe that a Sigil has more far reaching effect than your own unconscious (ie in charging such a Sigil, you are potentially impacting on not only your own life directly but possibly others or the universe as a whole

b: Whether you believe in Karma (though admittedly, any act of will has similar repercussions if you believe in this premise). For example, if you charged an unknown sigil and the person who desgined it was asking for your energy to go to the death or demise of another, then you might be linked into the whole issue.

c: Ultimately, it also explains or more accurately reveals whether you believe that others can charge an intent statement that you design.

I answered this thread by saying that as long as a divination is carefully constructed, then there should be no harm, providing the answer gives you the 'go ahead' from the universe but this also raises other questions

ie, if I construct a Sigil with the words 'I will...', then potentially, others using this Sigil, might conceivably not power 'my' aims but experience the events or effects in their own experience. Now providing they word their divinatory questions correctly they should be protected and in their defence, the other board does use this forum for experimentation and it is the usual practice for the person who utilises the sigil to know that the creator of said sigil, usually intends for it to affect every user individually, rather than some group effort. What I mean by that long winded sentence is that the people charging the Sigil, are under little illusion that the sigil is usually for the intent of changing some aspect of each and every magician who employs the sigil, rahter than some outside event or aim

A way around this for group workings for some outside aim might be for the statement of intent to include the name of the intened change to be included, in my case it might be 'Joetheneophyte will...'
My interest is twofold
Do others believe that this type of third party charging/firing (choose your own favourite terminology/method) works?

Would you feel personally comfortable doing this? and if not, why?


to answer the second part, I would feel happy to charge Impulsivelad's Sigils as I have a pretty good idea that he is altruistic (anybody who can create Gek must have a decent streak!), in other words I would feel happier doing this for people who I believe are 'nice' people, with good intentions

If you are bored to death with Sigils, please ignore this post and it will soon drop off the boards but this seemingly simple proposal on this other board has raised many questions in my mind and I think some are worthy of discussion.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
03:20 / 29.11.04
For a while I had the VJB2 sigil posted up on my MySpace photo page, with the caption "Think of this during your next orgasm... no, really." Some guy messaged me out of the blue to try to learn the meaning thereof, then got peevish on me when I told him it's usually best if one isn't consciously aware of the meaning while casting the sigil, and that he always has the option not to cast it.

I don't know that I'd fire off a sigil that I myself didn't create, since such a thing is really user-specific and personalized. If you trust the source of the sigil enough that you're fairly certain that whatever its intent may be you'd be OK in lending towards its results, knock yourself out. But if it's just some schmegge on a bulletin board out there (or even in here) who you don't know from Adam, save yourself the conflict and just beg off.

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macrophage
11:17 / 29.11.04
It's a tricky one - I mean let's face it they are sigils everywhere on say pc games, graffiti, etc.. When you pass a McDonald's do you unintentionally "charge" their logos while you pass it even if you don't go in there? Mebbe McDonald's maybe a bad example but you can catch my drift with logos/sigils/glyphs/etc. Does anyone play Doom - have you noticed the sigils on that in one of their games (the writing is on the walls)- (I've always figured Id Software to exist as very much a team of grammers with well thumbed hand sweaty Satanic Bibles!!!!) I even looked through my copy of the dread Necronomicon to see if I'd seen them before. I have charged other people's sigils for them they are so many different ways to attempt this. Almost getting laughable with pencil pushers snapping rubber bands against their wrists to charge their sigils!!!!! Sigils exist everywhere if you are on that level then you can see them. Just by writing an entry in a thread on an occult forum is by twisted angles a process of ensigilsation, that is you often read the contents and then forget. As Jan Fries says you don't really need "I Will..." just make it as simple as possible. Next we will get a thread with people scanning their sigils in to see who has the tightest and best graphic sigil!!!! I would rather do magick on my own terms and not someone else's really. But in the end who cares??? Do you burn your sigils ot whatever? Do you have an elemental side to it as in casting them - as in water, fire, earth or air???? My sigils are my own. Now have you ever taken someone else's sigils and actually decoded the time-bind code?????
 
  
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