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I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here! 4

 
 
Smoothly
22:36 / 20.11.04
In terms of viewing figures, Brother might be big, but jungle is massive.
However, interstingly,
Last I'm A Celebrity... thread: 1 page, 12 replies.
Last Big Brother thread: 50 pages, 1743 replies.

Clearly, I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here! isn't Barbelith's preferred reality show. But it'll be making itself felt in the schedules for the next couple of weeks, so I thought I'd run a thread up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes.

To start with, how does the line-up grab you?:

Antonio Fargas
Brian Harvey
Fran Cosgrave
Janet Street-Porter
Joe Pasquale
Nancy Sorrell
Natalie Appleton
Paul Burrell
Sheila Ferguson
Sophie Anderton

Do you plan on watching this year?
 
 
Brigade du jour
23:17 / 20.11.04
Is it that bleeding time of year again? Jesus ...

Without anyone even vaguely resembling a John Lydon this year I can't see it being watchable, let alone entertaining.

Having said that, Antonio Fargas might be funny in an ageing acid-casualty sort of way.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:47 / 21.11.04
Clearly, I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here! isn't Barbelith's preferred reality show.

That'd be because it's about as far removed from the concept of 'reality' as Antonio Fargas, Brian Harvey, Fran Cosgrave, Janet Street-Porter, Joe Pasquale, Nancy Sorrell, Natalie Appleton, Paul Burrell, Sheila Ferguson and Sophie Anderton are from the concept of 'celebrity'.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
03:31 / 21.11.04
And Big Brother is, what, a Ken Loach movie?
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
08:58 / 21.11.04
Yes but as this summers BB proved theres more chance of the old staples of Sex and Voilence rearing their head than with 10 people locked in a house under constant survelance. Than watching 10 has beens slowy starving for 1/2 a hour a night.(Though there was a rumor thta Billy Idol was appearing on this yeas Im a celeb)

Plus BB did not have AntandDec or Daniel O Donnel and his sidekick The Meekon.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:06 / 21.11.04
I probably won't be watching this, but I hope it works out for Brian Harvey. He's had a rough time.
 
 
Ganesh
09:51 / 21.11.04
Mmm, yes, you'd never catch me getting excitable enough to write screeds of analysis on one of these so-called 'reality' shows...
 
 
Benny the Ball
10:28 / 21.11.04
Is it true that Joe Pasquali has been told to deepen his voice for fear of attracting possibly dangerous animals?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:57 / 21.11.04
And Big Brother is, what, a Ken Loach movie?

Celebrity, Jack. The clue's in the title. BB works differently by giving us a bunch of total strangers and letting us see and learn how they react to different situations. IACGMOOH gives us a bunch of people we already sort-of-know and lets us see what we already suspected. Difficult to spin out a fifty page thread on that.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:50 / 21.11.04
Also, Big Brother at least has some elements that are recognisable from everyday British reality. Some people living in a house. People who aren't used to having cameras pointed at them and often don't seem to understand how footage can be manipulated to the program-makers' advantage. A toilet. Some beds. A kitchen. Seats. Sandwiches.

Is it reality? No. Was I saying that it's reality? No. Is it closer to reality than Celebrity? Yes. Was I saying that it's closer to reality than Celebrity? Yes.
 
 
Smoothly
22:42 / 21.11.04
Without anyone even vaguely resembling a John Lydon this year I can't see it being watchable, let alone entertaining

Hello-oh! Janet Street-Porter?

I'm not sure I understand the reality thing. I mean, they're known as 'reality shows' but they're not trying to represent 'everyday British reality' in any way, nor - or so I thought - would anyone expect or want them to. There's regional news and Doritos adverts for that.
And although I'm not optimistic, I can't see why *celebrity* contestants makes it less interesting or conducive to acres of analysis. I certainly think it's other things that make BB better (10 weeks as opposed to 2, for one thing). Dunno, maybe I'm not getting Spatula's objection. Are people we sort-of know, who are used to being on camera, inherently less interesting to watch and talk about than a bunch of total strangers?
 
 
akira
22:46 / 21.11.04

"Is it true that Joe Pasquali has been told to deepen his voice for fear of attracting possibly dangerous animals?"

Yes. Also Sophie Anderton can be quoted for stating that she will get her tits out to attract the natives, who will hopefully bring food.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:39 / 22.11.04
Are people we sort-of know, who are used to being on camera, inherently less interesting to watch and talk about than a bunch of total strangers?

Not necessarily, but I do think that they're far more likely to be guarded - or, rather, comfortably guarded, as opposed to paranoid - and playing to the cameras. And it's not just people who've made their names by appearing on television regularly (if not exactly recently) - JSP, for one, has been intimately involved with creating shows and so knows precisely how television works.

We expect them to behave a certain way and, by and large, they do. My dead granny could have predicted that John Lydon would get booted last time around. Is it likely that the show will descend into chaos the way that the last series of 4's equivalent did, or that there'll be anything approaching spontaneity, deviation from the script? With television semi-regulars, not really. You've also got none of the attraction of getting to see new cultural icons - probably undeserving, definitely temporary, but new all the same - in the making.

I think the appeal lies elsewhere. It's a show built around spite. See people you already know that you hate being forced to eat maggots. Laugh at the human cartoon that is Peter Andre. Will Natalie Appleton get her tits out? Stay tuned for part three. Phone 0800 345 234 now if you want to see Joe Pasquale - funny man, squeaky voice, soon to appear in Carry On Stereotyping - have a bath in elephant shit.

In that sense it's what the last series of Big Brother wanted to be, only with faded stars desperate to get off the panto circuit, rather than unknown [scare quotes]characters[/scare quotes] desperate to get onto it. And maybe it is partly to do with the different series lengths, but Big Brother manages to become more than just spiteful viewing despite itself, because the longer it drags on the better you get to know the people in the house. That may be because their growing familiarity with each other and their surroundings makes them ease up and drop the act in a way that a two week stint can't, but it may equally be because they simply don't feel the need to be 'on' all the time.

I mean, they're known as 'reality shows' but they're not trying to represent 'everyday British reality' in any way, nor - or so I thought - would anyone expect or want them to.

No, but the point I'm trying to make is that, at the most basic level, Big Brother roots itself in something recognisable to the majority of the audience as a regular way of life - sharing a house with people who start of as strangers then gradually get to know each other better, fighting for the bathroom first thing in the morning, arguing over who washes the dishes and who dries them, telling each other to shut up because they're trying to get some sleep, getting annoyed with X because ze's left a load of pubes in the bath again.

This is, I think, the main thing that I'm trying to get at - that with Big Brother the audience are given an entry point to the situation, a way of imagining themselves in it, and it becomes more than just a contest as a result. Celebrity contains the double barrier of an exotic location and famous faces (Celebrity Big Brother, on the other hand, managed to balance the elements out in a way that ITV's ratings-guzzler quite simply can't).

Incidentally, yeah, I qould quite like to see Channel 4 drop the more extreme game show elements (the Noel's House Party cast-offs that they filled a lot of the end of the last series with). I like my voyeurism a little less forced.
 
 
Smoothly
23:37 / 22.11.04
Yeah, I'm with you. I think a lot of what you say in comparison with BB is right and fair, but only up to a point. Possibly it's just that BB is more successful in targetting a particular market. And without knowing you personally, I have a feeling that target market includes you. So when you say BB gives the audience an entry point on the situation, that's probably less true for someone, say, older. Not a reason for you to like it, obv, but just worth saying if we're making the comparison.

And the double barrier thing is interesting. I'd have thought that rather than famous faces alienating viewers, for many they do the opposite. Like you said, they're people we sort-of know, and so it's easier to relate to them; from the off we know a little more about them than how old they are and what they're wearing. And again, like you said, these are not mega-stars whose celebrity and otherness is intimidating.

I take your point about their relative ease in front of the camera, but then these are people who like, and are used to, living their lives and washing their dirty linen in public. I don't particularly like my voyeurism forced, but I don't like it introverted either.

But this bit throws me a little:

the point I'm trying to make is that, at the most basic level, Big Brother roots itself in something recognisable to the majority of the audience as a regular way of life - sharing a house with people who start of as strangers then gradually get to know each other better, fighting for the bathroom first thing in the morning, arguing over who washes the dishes and who dries them, telling each other to shut up because they're trying to get some sleep, getting annoyed with X because ze's left a load of pubes in the bath again.

Cos, as I see it, if you changed 'Big Brother' to 'IACGMOOH' in the first line, you'd only need to change 'pubes in the bath' to 'shit on the toilet' in the last, and bingo.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
09:58 / 30.11.04
He's had a rough time.

Yes, all that fame, drugs and fucking Emma B must be so stressful for the poor love.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:10 / 30.11.04
On Radio 1 a couple of years ago, Saturday morning around half Ten. The DJ ( Scott Mills ? ) has a regular slot where he phones up celebrities live on air, *catching them feeling a bit rough* is the general idea, although whoever it is will have been prepped, pretty clearly.

Anyway, Brian Harvey gets the call. Which goes roughly as follows;

DJ: Hey, Brian ! How you doing mate ?

Harvey: What ? Who's this ?

It's ( whoever it was ) from Radio 1 ! How's it going mate ? Didn't get you out of bed, did I ?

Oh right... Yeah, yeah you did.

Sorry about that mate... So, how're you feeling ?

Not so good mate, not so good.

Oh yeah ? Heavy night out, was it ?

I dunno... I'm thinking of packing it in to be honest.

That bad, huh ?

I mean nobody plays my records any more... I've got this single coming out right, and who's gonna play it ? Are you ?

Well I...

Like, the last only went to about number 23... I just get the feeling no one's interested any more, d'you know what I mean ?

I'm sure that's not true...

And I'm skint as well. Ain't got a pot to piss in, mate.

Brian...

I just got divorced and she took the lot, the...

Brian ! Brian, this is going out live...

Oh yeah. Sorry... But people think, right, that I'm rolling in cash and it ain't true any more... If this album doesn't work out I dunno what I'm gonna do... Like, I can't a job in McDonald's or nothing, d'you know what I mean ?

Er, yes, but...



And so on for a while. And they didn't even play his new single at the end.

So it's nice to see that he's bounced back lately.

On a separate note, having read the Independant On Sunday this week, I can't help hoping that Janet Street Porter has a run-in at some point with one of those paralysing leeches they keep going on about - Based on the number of Vote-Janet articles, she's definitely got it coming
 
 
Smoothly
13:46 / 01.12.04
I rather like Janet. What's with the hate, Alex?
I certainly like Janet more than Brian, who was, IIRC, both architect and project manager of his own downfall. He then vowed to complete IACGMOOH in honour of his dead nan and cleared off when no one gave him pizza.
Tsk.
 
  
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